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Kyl: Tax deal needs to get done by Monday to pass START in lame-duck (idiots)
The Hill ^ | 12/01/10 12:54 PM ET | By Alexander Bolton

Posted on 12/01/2010 5:44:59 PM PST by onyx

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said Wednesday that President Obama must reach a deal on extending the Bush tax cuts by Monday if a nuclear arms treaty has a chance of passing the Senate by the end of the year.

“The deal on taxes has to be done very early next week, like Monday,” Kyl said.

Kyl said if negotiators don’t reach a deal on the Bush taxes within a week “then you’re not going to have time to do START,” making a reference to the pending Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia. The Senate must ratify it with a two-thirds vote of the chamber.

The emerging conventional wisdom has been that Senate Republicans would agree to ratify START if Obama and Democratic leaders agreed to a temporary extension of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

This legislative horse trade might not be possible because of the highly politicized debate surrounding the tax rates and the little time left in the lame-duck session.

“If the taxes all can’t be resolved and voted on and completed and spending for the government for the next 10 months completed by, like, next Monday, I don’t know how there’s enough time to complete START," Kyl said.

The continuing resolution to fund the government expires Friday, Dec. 3. Congress would have to pass a budget or another continuing resolution in order to keep the government running.

And Senate Republicans sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), saying they will block controversial legislation during the lame-duck Congress until a deal on tax cuts is worked out. Every GOP senator signed the letter.

Kyl, the Senate Republican whip, has emerged as the lead GOP negotiator with the Obama administration over the treaty’s ratification.

He is also representing the Senate Republican conference in high-level talks with the administration about extending the Bush-era tax cuts, which are due to expire at the end of December.

Kyl met for nearly an hour and forty-five minutes Wednesday morning with Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and Office of Management and Budget director Jacob Lew. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) and Rep. Dave Camp (Mich.), the ranking Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee, also attended the meeting.

The negotiators emerged from meeting in the offices of the Senate Finance Committee at about noon and declined to reveal any details of the talks.

“We had a very civil, constructive discussion, very much in the spirit of the meeting at the White House yesterday,” Geithner told reporters. “No surprises. We went through everything on the table and we agreed we’re going to come back this afternoon late in the day and continue the conversations.”

Geithner declined to say what items are “on the table for discussion.”

“We also agreed that it’s very important that we’re not going to characterize the discussions in the room,” Geithner said.

The negotiators plan to return to the talks at 5:30 Wednesday afternoon.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said earlier Wednesday the nuclear treaty would get ratified before the end of the year.

“The START Treaty will be done by Christmas," Gibbs said on CBS's "Early Show."


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NO DEALS!
1 posted on 12/01/2010 5:45:01 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

The Senate Republicans are devoted disciples of Neville Chamberlain.


2 posted on 12/01/2010 5:48:33 PM PST by devere
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To: onyx
And Senate Republicans sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), saying they will block controversial legislation during the lame-duck Congress until a deal on tax cuts is worked out. Every GOP senator signed the letter.

Too bad they already broke their word on this with the Food bull.

3 posted on 12/01/2010 5:49:42 PM PST by Ingtar (If Washington and his peers had been RINOs, we would still be a British colony.)
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To: onyx

Kyl doesn’t get it AT ALL. This is a GOOD THING. I don’t want them them to come to any “deals” or agree to any compromises. The last thing I want is for START to pass, it sells us out. I want them to be thoroughly gridlocked until the clock runs down so the maniacs can’t do any further damage to the country. The new Congress convenes in January.


4 posted on 12/01/2010 5:51:33 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: onyx
The “Fix” is in.

No two ways about it.

For any Repub that goes along with the neutering of the US in a new arms treaty during a very dangerous time in American history should be removed from office by a recall vote within their respective state.

5 posted on 12/01/2010 5:51:36 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: everyone
Read Heritage's article: "Is the New START Deal a Raw Deal?" here

It's a raw deal for the US, but a wonderful deal for the Russian Federation.

The Marxist and his Communist brethren.

6 posted on 12/01/2010 5:52:08 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: devere

One of the problems with START is that now we have to ask permision to up grade our defensive systems? Since when do we have to ask permision? The other problem is that Obama wants to stop the next generation of Nuke Subs and, evidently, has committed to this with the Russians.


7 posted on 12/01/2010 5:53:06 PM PST by RC2
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To: onyx

The food bill worries me. I wouldn’t put to much weight on this. Kyl isn’t saying that he’ll vote for START if the President extends the tax cuts. He’s just pointing out that if Obama wants any chance at all to put it through, he’d better not delay on the tax cuts. Because no other business will be allowed until it’s done.

At least, so I hope.


8 posted on 12/01/2010 5:53:17 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: onyx

The Republicans said that they understood the message from the voters on November 2nd. If so, how do they feel that they have the right to MAKE DEALS of ANY KIND on ANY LEGISLATION that the Dems want?!? I am furious!


9 posted on 12/01/2010 5:53:43 PM PST by MNGal
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To: La Lydia
I'm with you, all the way.

These damn idiots. No deals and no passing of START.

Phone calls tomorrow.

10 posted on 12/01/2010 5:54:03 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

STOP THE DEALING!!!!! WE VOTED FOR NO DEALING!!


11 posted on 12/01/2010 5:54:20 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: onyx

This treaty has been out there how long now? And it suddenly has to be ratified during the lame duck? Why are Republicans so congenitally stupid?


12 posted on 12/01/2010 5:54:44 PM PST by Defiant (There is no line on the march towards marxism that Democrats won't cross. Democrat=CPUSA)
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To: CapnJack

I am furious.

No deals, no compromises, no rush, no hurrying.

Shut the damn government down.

Lameducks - shoot ‘em. (Not literally, figuratively). Shut them down.

I thought Kyl was in tune with us.


13 posted on 12/01/2010 5:56:55 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

I agree with some other. Any Repub voting for this needs to be recalled. Not ousted at the next election but recalled.

I’m not worried about the stupid “Bush tax cuts” which are really the Obama tax increases. Its a separate issue. Trading START for “not” increasing our taxes is a weasel’s trick. Anyone who goes for it is unworthy of office.


14 posted on 12/01/2010 5:57:14 PM PST by marron
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To: Ingtar

Damn traitors.
Imagine. The expanded the FDA and gave the agency more power!


15 posted on 12/01/2010 5:57:51 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Cicero

Fine by me.

Do nothing else.

FGS. These damn senators don’t get it.

Phone calls tomorrow morning.


16 posted on 12/01/2010 5:59:28 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx
Kyl sucks. He'll cave as usual. You don't threaten when you hold all the cards. Just start playing them. The Pubbies are PATHETIC!
17 posted on 12/01/2010 6:00:09 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Ann Archy

That’s right! No “deals” with democrats!


18 posted on 12/01/2010 6:00:14 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

NEVER....EVER deal with a DEMOCRAT! NEVER!!


19 posted on 12/01/2010 6:02:41 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: onyx
NO DEALS!

Agreed!

Republicans should do a

back to

With the exception of national security and our military (national security), eliminate every federal department and agency. Fire all these blood sucking a$$holes in Washington, DC.

20 posted on 12/01/2010 6:07:20 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: onyx

Kyl caved.

Call his office.


21 posted on 12/01/2010 6:08:05 PM PST by Carley (IT'S THREAT ANALYSIS, NOT RACIAL PROFILING)
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To: Defiant

I think the START treaty was delivered to the Senate in late April and hearings were held throughout the summer, but all of a sudden there’s a rush to pass it during the lameduck....

Likely because close scrutiny in the new Senate would kill it.


22 posted on 12/01/2010 6:11:28 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: MNGal

I’m furious, too.

The very thought of making a deal.


23 posted on 12/01/2010 6:12:40 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

No shocks here. The establishment Republicans are still large and in charge in the Senate. This should serve to remind everyone that the last election was just the start of the work that needs to be done. The establishment is counting on us just going away so that they can get back to business as usual, you know, having no real problem with statism as long as THEY are the state.


24 posted on 12/01/2010 6:14:41 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: marron

I agree. This sux big time. I don’t get it.
I hope Kyl is quoted out of context.


25 posted on 12/01/2010 6:15:14 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Carley

Yes, all of us have to call his office.

I sure will in the morning.


26 posted on 12/01/2010 6:16:46 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx
No worries.

Kyl is in a position to play chess with Obama.

Dear Leader said earlier he is willing to spend Christmas/New Year's in Washington instead of Hawaii to get tax cuts done by the end of the year.

In other words, he wants to diddle around for the next few weeks to see how much mileage he can get out of the Repubs and put them under pressure to do some last-minute Dec. 31 tax deals.

Kyl basically said no way. Get tax cuts done now how we want them then MAYBE we'll work on START. Maybe.

27 posted on 12/01/2010 6:17:37 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: onyx

After everything that the Dems have done to this country over the last two years, WHY do the Repubs feel like they HAVE TO DO ANYTHING in this lame duck session. Their job right now is to obstruct any and all bills proposed by the Dems. It’s as if they feel like compromising with the Dems to pass a piece of cr#p is preferable to the American people, as opposed to just holding firm to keep the Dems from continuing to ruin this great country.


28 posted on 12/01/2010 6:18:37 PM PST by MNGal
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To: onyx

It is back to the same old tactics. They need to remember the midterms. If this treaty is so good for America it can wait till January.


29 posted on 12/01/2010 6:25:17 PM PST by opentalk
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To: devere

What the F do these things have to do with each other.. are the Republicrats saying we can trade national security for something? This is a bad treaty and should be rejected on the merits.... Economics is an argument all its own..... anyone who trust a republicrat is a fool


30 posted on 12/01/2010 6:25:28 PM PST by Breto (never accept the premise)
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To: onyx

You dumb SOB Kyl. Drag the tax debate out so THERE IS NO TIME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.


31 posted on 12/01/2010 6:26:57 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: onyx
This is really hillarious! obama pushed and pushed and pushed on the several pieces of his agenda, saying "it's got to be done now; we don't have time to waste. You don't need to read the bills you're voting on."[my paraphrasing]

I just think it's so funny that Kyl has turned the tables on him, using his own words against him and the dimmocrats!

32 posted on 12/01/2010 6:31:58 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (The mighty zero, obama,does not warrant the respect necessary for his name to be capitalized.)
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To: Cicero
The food bill worries me.

It bother me, too. A lot.

Our saving grace may the the House. I've been able to listen to Rush and Hannity off and on the last couple of days and haven't heard them say anything about the Food Police bill. That's surprising. But I may have missed it.

33 posted on 12/01/2010 6:40:58 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: onyx

If you are on FR reading this and live in Arizona, please call your senator, Sen. Jon Kyl, and tell him no deals, no START, no DREAM and the only extension of the Bush tax cuts is for all, as is and no carve out to punish the so-called rich. Give us a two year extension at least and longer if possible.

You gotta call as senators don’t listen to any person not of their state, unless it’s a lobbyist with a bag of cash. We little guys need you to call and save our economy and nation from these weasels.


34 posted on 12/01/2010 6:40:58 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: onyx

NO OBAMA VANITY DEALS. NO START TREATY THIS YEAR OR WHILE OBAMA IS PRESIDENT.


35 posted on 12/01/2010 6:40:58 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: RicocheT

All GOP senators have to be called, not just Kyl.

None of them have any business voting for START.


36 posted on 12/01/2010 6:47:30 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: montag813

Exactly right. Never while the Marxist is _resident.


37 posted on 12/01/2010 6:48:38 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: azishot; Hildy; Arizona Carolyn; RicocheT

Kyl cannot cave or “deal.” Please call him. And McCain too.


38 posted on 12/01/2010 6:51:11 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Real Cynic No More
I just think it's so funny that Kyl has turned the tables on him, using his own words against him and the dimmocrats!

You seem to get it. No one else on this thread does.

39 posted on 12/01/2010 6:51:15 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: opentalk

They’re idiots. Run out the clock.


40 posted on 12/01/2010 6:52:23 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Siena Dreaming

I’m glad you’re confident. I’m NOT. Reid and Obama have their agenda and we have too many squishy RINOS and sore losers with the DREAM Act and this monstrosity looming.


41 posted on 12/01/2010 6:55:52 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: pissant

If Kyl is being clever, he needs to be clever by keeping his mouth shut. NO deals and no compromises and why not run out the clock?


42 posted on 12/01/2010 6:57:55 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx
NO deals and no compromises and why not run out the clock?

If they run out the clock, tax cuts won't be extended. Then the Repubs will be accused of tryng to increase the deficit by an enormous amount on Jan. 1 when they pass that bill. And Obama may very well veto it saying they shouldn't have passed such a huge bill that "increases the deficit" and "gives a tax cut to the rich". The result will be that the middle class doesn't get a tax cut, unemployment stays high, and Obama gets to tag the Repubs as big spenders.

Force Obama to concentrate FIRST on tax cuts before Dec. 31. He's trying to avoid the issue now because he wants to own the headlines in the New Year. This is a game of chess and Kyl is playing it right.

43 posted on 12/01/2010 7:05:55 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: onyx
If the GOP signs up for this deal, whether StartII makes sense or not (it doesn't), then we are back to the same 'ol GOP that brought us the Progressive Majority recently.

Damn it! I can't stand these guys...

44 posted on 12/01/2010 7:15:38 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: onyx

I’m confused about what is going on, his morning Cornyn said no deals on START in lame duck and the tax deal is #1 priority,


45 posted on 12/01/2010 7:19:11 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Siena Dreaming

IIRC, the IRS has likely already sent out the new tax structure to employers for use effective January 1, 2011. The printing of the new tax deductiion materials has already been incurred.

As it stands right now, workers will likely get nicked on paychecks received after January 1. I wish I could recall the last possible date the legslation needs to be passed to circumvent two separate filings by taxpayers. It might be in the New Year.

The middle class is a straw man. The Bush tax cuts for the so-called middle class are a given.


46 posted on 12/01/2010 7:20:16 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Siena Dreaming

That is what I’m thinking is going on, too. Politics is a game of chess and this is a high-stakes game right now.


47 posted on 12/01/2010 7:20:25 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Mariner

Idiocy. The letter that all 42 signed should speak for itself.

Senators should all shut-up.


48 posted on 12/01/2010 7:22:12 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I’m with you Carolyn.

Senators needs to shut-up, but this morning Rush talked about this very same rumor and he said “it better be BS,” but lo and behold, here it is in print. Go figure.


49 posted on 12/01/2010 7:24:21 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

No matter what they do now, this is going to be a mess until at least March or April, the IRS computers are going to have to be re-programmed and then done again. Right now that damn Gabby Giffords (who barely won again in Tucson district) is on bitching about Tax Cuts for the Rich...... she is dumber than dumb calls herself a Blue Dog (barf) and she is putting forth this phoney baloney act on the tax bill right now on Greta...... she is just plain dumb, Kyl is dumb like a Fox, I have to think he has this planned out.


50 posted on 12/01/2010 7:24:21 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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