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Coburn, Crapo say yes to debt commission plan (Judd Gregg will also support it)
MSNBC ^ | 12/02/2010 | Ken Strickland and Mark Murray

Posted on 12/02/2010 10:30:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Republican Sens. Tom Coburn and Mike Crapo, who sit on President Obama's deficit-reduction commission, will vote in favor of the commission's plan, according to sources.

They will join Sens. Kent Conrad (D) and Judd Gregg (R), who said yesterday they'd also support the package.

Fourteen of the commission's 18 members need to vote yes for the plan to move to Congress. The vote is expected to take place tomorrow.

Both senators are voting members of the panel.

"I'm scared to death at the potential that could unwind this country," said Coburn, one of the Senate's most fiscal conservative members.

Crapo said, "Although it's not everything we wanted and contains things that are painful to us and raise heartburn... it takes us down a path of addressing these issues."

Both members said the commissions' proposal are a starting point for reigning in the nation's growing debt. But they agreed that more needs to be done, saying the plan does not cut spending nearly enough.

"If we pass this bill tomorrow, it doesn't get us out of the woods," Coburn said. "There are many more difficult choices we'll have to make."

(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deficitcommission; juddgregg; mikecrapo; tomcoburn

1 posted on 12/02/2010 10:30:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

In other news :

Paul Ryan Says ‘No’ to Deficit Plan

See here : http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/12/02/ryan-says-no-to-deficit-plan/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Fwashwire%2Ffeed+%28WSJ.com%3A+Washington+Wire%29


2 posted on 12/02/2010 10:31:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So, these guys are officially brain dead. I see.

Does this commission report mention shooting the health care law?


3 posted on 12/02/2010 10:33:25 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: RexBeach

Unrelated to the topic, but does Mike Crapo ever considered changing his family name at all ?


4 posted on 12/02/2010 10:34:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: RexBeach

Unrelated to the topic, but has Mike Crapo ever considered changing his family name at all ?


5 posted on 12/02/2010 10:35:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope. Not at all. Mikey likes it!


6 posted on 12/02/2010 10:36:14 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: SeekAndFind

Unrelated to the topic, but has Mike Crapo ever considered changing his family name at all ?”

He considered changing it to Guano but thought it was too foreign sounding.


7 posted on 12/02/2010 10:37:12 AM PST by jessduntno (TSA: "Because screwing you with your pants ON just wasn't enough.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t Obama the first president to cause a debt commission?


8 posted on 12/02/2010 10:38:37 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul Ryan says Obama fiscal commission report is a step 'backwards'

“I think it goes backwards,” Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican and the next chairman of the House

Budget Committee, said at a breakfast with reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

“I think it makes health care dramatically worse. And look, I’m trying to be guarded in my comments because I really respect what [commission co-chairs] Erskine [Bowles] and Alan [Simpson] have done. They should be commended. But they didn’t deal with health care.”

Ryan’s comments are the most unconditional rebuke of a plan that has been regarded even by conservatives on the commission as fairly conservative because of its recommendations on cutting spending in some parts of the budget, and on reform of Social Security and the tax system so that rates can be dramatically lowered.


9 posted on 12/02/2010 10:39:57 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Government deficit spends until the breaking point.

2. The people express concern.

3. The tax collectors for the state are placed on a commission which decides revenue, read taxes, must be raised and cuts must be made.

4. Taxes are raised.

5. The cuts are never realized.

6. The government behemoth grows and the enslavement of the populace moves forward once again.

7. Rinse and repeat.

Ask Ronald Reagan, he found out how this all works before he passed.


10 posted on 12/02/2010 10:40:38 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: SeekAndFind

braindead RINO’s


11 posted on 12/02/2010 10:42:30 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Vaduz

Obama is not the first.
At least since Eisenhower, most administrations have not allowed the buck to stop with them but have appointed a commission to make it look like they are doing something while avoiding any unpopular decision.

The simple fact is that most people, including many freepers, do not want their pet agenda spending cut.


12 posted on 12/02/2010 10:44:21 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: GeronL

I wouldn’t call Crapo or Coburn RINOs. Honestly, I think they’re so desperate to do SOMETHING that they’re falling into a trap. Not a good thing, but it doesn’t make them RINOs.


13 posted on 12/02/2010 10:49:07 AM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If taxes are raised it will be the end of this country. It’s gasping for breath as it is.

How about we just cut spending. And that includes cutting the perks and salaries of these dirt bags who spent the money to begin with.

Will “we the people” continue to allow this? Is therer anything “we the people” can do to stop it?


14 posted on 12/02/2010 10:51:19 AM PST by Terry Mross
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To: SeekAndFind

What to make of two conservatives differing so dramatically on the way out of our demise? Which is true, really? This commission did throw the sacred cows on the table, which makes them appear to be deadly serious, and a hard row to come for the country. Now comes Ryan who says he will oppose the Plan and vote no, for some very scary reasons.

Why couldn’t we come to agreement or disagreement, as a block, and behind the scenes? Are we going to argue the merits back and forth and fail to EVER get started doing much of anything? What to make of Ryan and Coburn?


15 posted on 12/02/2010 10:52:29 AM PST by RitaOK
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To: spintreebob

“...most people, including many freepers, do not want their pet agenda spending cut.”

Which are those?


16 posted on 12/02/2010 10:52:42 AM PST by jessduntno (TSA: "Because screwing you with your pants ON just wasn't enough.")
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To: RockinRight
I think the "trap" is the other way around. I never thought I'd see the day when a commission comprised of members who are one-third House/Senate Democrats and one-third Obama appointees would come up with some of these recommendations. I'm think the whole purpose of this commission is to give political cover to Democrats who would never support some of these measures on their own.

I'm thinking of the higher retirement age and the reduced income/corporate tax rates in particular.

Organized labor leaders are adamantly opposed to the commission's recommendations, which is a very telling sign to me.

17 posted on 12/02/2010 10:53:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: RockinRight

Lemme see......away goes my mortgage deduction and up goes my gas taxes. Yeah that’s gonna really help me alot.


18 posted on 12/02/2010 10:53:38 AM PST by sheana
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To: sheana

RE: away goes my mortgage deduction and up goes my gas taxes.

Will it make you feel better if your income taxes are simplified and you pay just 8%, 15% or 23% (TOPS)?


19 posted on 12/02/2010 10:57:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: RitaOK
What to make of Ryan and Coburn?

I don't think there's anything sinister going on here at all. A lot of it has to do with their personalities and the offices they hold. Coburn is a U.S. Senator and a medical doctor by trade, and as someone who serves for six years at a time he's probably very pragmatic and reflective by nature. Ryan is a young House member with a background in marketing, a rising star in the GOP leadership, and far more ambitious about getting dramatic things done over a shorter period of time.

Quite frankly, I'm pleased that two Republicans with solid conservative credentials can come out on different sides of this thing. That tells me the crisis we're facing goes far beyond mere political partisanship, which means the solutions are likely to be pretty dramatic -- and probably inevitable, too.

20 posted on 12/02/2010 10:58:44 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Well if you think that I, or you, are gonna come out ahead in any tax scheme they propose, I have a bridge to sell you.


21 posted on 12/02/2010 11:15:06 AM PST by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

What a disappointment Coburn is. This AM he’s on Fox telling all what’s wrong with the commission’s findings. Yet when Gretchen asks him how he’ll vote he won’t answer saying standby for his press conference. the pubbies still don’t get it.


22 posted on 12/02/2010 11:17:54 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard he wanted to change it to Kenny Crapo....


23 posted on 12/02/2010 11:18:47 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Alberta's Child

A lot of it has to do with their personalities and the offices they hold. ___________________________________

Yes, you’re probably right, and I appreciate your thoughtful take on these two favorite conservatives of mine.
Coburn is a very good man, a rather devout Christian, who is very kind to others and will give ANY good effort a chance to see the light of day.

Ryan is a dedicated math machine—sincere and serious. I just wish the two had not outed different views, at a time when we need a solid block of “here’s what we’re gonna do, and here’s how we’re gonna do it”. This divergence of views will be used again, instead of the bond between determined and solid men with ONE singular MESSAGE.


24 posted on 12/02/2010 11:30:36 AM PST by RitaOK
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To: spintreebob

spending cuts can’t go to deep so mush waste in D.C. only for a vote.
1.stop any funding to illegals and deport
2.cut ear marks
3.


25 posted on 12/02/2010 11:32:33 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: RockinRight
I wouldn’t call Crapo or Coburn RINOs. Honestly, I think they’re so desperate to do SOMETHING that they’re falling into a trap. Not a good thing, but it doesn’t make them RINOs.

It is not about political philosophy, it is about deeds. These two are RINOs, by what they are DOING - supporting this is pure RINO-ism.
26 posted on 12/02/2010 11:32:42 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: RexBeach

Flame me alert!

I am in favor of the commission’s plan as a starting point. There is no reason that obamacare, or any other of the massive bills passed in the last couple of years, cannot be dismantled in addition to the plan. The plan does not preclude other spending reductions or actions that may be necessary but it does begin to address many of the sacred cows.

No plan to reduce the spending and debt is going to be popular with everyone and all of it will not be popular with anyone, but we have to start somewhere and I don’t know of anything in the plan that will INCREASE spending and a lot of it will decrease spending, which is the ultimate goal.


27 posted on 12/02/2010 11:37:19 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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To: SeekAndFind

“Will it make you feel better if your income taxes are simplified and you pay just 8%, 15% or 23% (TOPS)?”

Yeah, and how many years (minutes) before the Fed Gov’t start once again raising those tax brackets higher and higher. What’s to stop them from doing so. So, we take all the pain, and then the vicious cycle of raising taxes just begins all over again.


28 posted on 12/02/2010 11:43:20 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Bob Buchholz

OK, I get it! LOL!!!


29 posted on 12/02/2010 11:56:46 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: RitaOK
Thanks. I disagree with you on one key point here. There's a real danger to coming out with a "solid block of 'here's what we’re gonna do, and here’s how we’re gonna do it'" in this case. These two guys are part of a commission making recommendations that may never even see the light of day in Congress. And they're serving on a commission in which two thirds of the members are either Democratic House/Senate members or Obama appointees.

For any Republican on this commission to stake out a solid position in these circumstances would be completely unproductive -- because it makes it very difficult to modify any of these recommendations if and when they are taken up in Congress. In fact, having two credible voices on different sides of the issue will allow them to come up with something that nobody likes but is likely to be absolutely necessary -- without coming across as being completely partisan about it.

30 posted on 12/02/2010 12:05:37 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: spintreebob
The simple fact is that most people, including many freepers, do not want their pet agenda spending cut.

Name the FReepers...and their "agenda's".

31 posted on 12/02/2010 12:11:19 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: flaglady47

RE: What’s to stop them from doing so. So, we take all the pain, and then the vicious cycle of raising taxes just begins all over again.


Let’s add a requirement into law -— 2/3 majority REQUIRED to raise those tax rates in the future.


32 posted on 12/02/2010 12:15:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
These morons up there...always have "plans", "ideas", "commissions", "committee's", "studies", "groups"...etc..etc.

I expect them to cave...on doing the hard things that need to be done to save our country.

33 posted on 12/02/2010 12:17:07 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: jessduntno

“Which are those?”

the ponzi schemes


34 posted on 12/02/2010 12:28:11 PM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Chanuka!)
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To: SeekAndFind
income taxes are simplified and you pay just 8%

Hahaha....8%....yeah right....lol

35 posted on 12/02/2010 2:03:25 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: Getsmart64

RE: Hahaha....8%....yeah right....lol


What about this from the Wall Street Journal :

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101130-713933.html

EXCERPT:

“We have proposed eliminating these tax earmarks, which amount to $1.1 trillion a year,” Erskine Bowles said. Such a move would be coupled with a simpler tax code and lower rates of 8%, 14% and 23% for individuals, and 26% for companies.


36 posted on 12/02/2010 2:23:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Alberta's Child

Got it. Thanks.


37 posted on 12/02/2010 3:05:42 PM PST by RitaOK
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To: jwalsh07; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne
1. Government deficit spends until the breaking point.
2. The people express concern.
3. The tax collectors for the state are placed on a commission which decides revenue, read taxes, must be raised and cuts must be made.
4. Taxes are raised.
5. The cuts are never realized.
6. The government behemoth grows and the enslavement of the populace moves forward once again.
7. Rinse and repeat.
Ask Ronald Reagan, he found out how this all works before he passed.

My concern exactly! It's like the amnesty bills where they legalize all the illegals and then never get around to securing the border.

38 posted on 12/02/2010 3:48:04 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Lt. Col. Ralph Peters: Obama is the dog who caught the fire truck!)
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To: Osage Orange

There are freepers who support a big expensive nanny state approach to immigration.

There are freepers who support the massive waste that exists in the defense department.... and support unconstitutional wars where there is no declaration of war by congress.

There are lesser numbers of freepers who support Ag subsidies, and No Child Left Behind and then, of course, there are freepers who support small earmarks and pork.


39 posted on 12/05/2010 6:42:17 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Osage Orange

There are freepers who support a big expensive nanny state approach to immigration.

There are freepers who support the massive waste that exists in the defense department.... and support unconstitutional wars where there is no declaration of war by congress.

There are lesser numbers of freepers who support Ag subsidies, and No Child Left Behind and then, of course, there are freepers who support small earmarks and pork.


40 posted on 12/05/2010 6:42:25 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
Once again...

Name them.

41 posted on 12/05/2010 7:02:42 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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