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Soldier's sanity debated in murder case
UPI.com ^ | 12-1-2010 | staff report

Posted on 12/02/2010 11:02:10 AM PST by smoothsailing

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Accused soldier delusional, parents say

Facebook page-In Support of PFC David Lawrence

1 posted on 12/02/2010 11:02:12 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo; lilycicero; Defend Our Marine

Jaz, I’ve posted this article at the request of lilycicero and DefendOurMarine. I’ve included all the information I have. They have requested that we spread the word on this case.

Please ping our lists.


2 posted on 12/02/2010 11:07:44 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

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from pharmakon magic charm, poison, drug
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3 posted on 12/02/2010 11:10:03 AM PST by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Islam ism)
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To: smoothsailing
Brett and Wendy Lawrence told the Times their son had told them he was hearing voices, including one that told him how to avoid roadside bombs.

I believe him. The voices MUST have been real. After all, he didn't hit any road side bombs while he was in Afghanistan, did he?

4 posted on 12/02/2010 11:21:14 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: smoothsailing
But others said they saw him after the killing and heard him talk about claiming an insanity defense.

I fail to see why this proves anything. So, he was crazy, on meds and hearing voices, and his defense attorney told him that he planned to plead insanity because he was, well, crazy. And he told a couple of his friends what the lawyer had said to him.

That hardly makes it a plot of some kind.

5 posted on 12/02/2010 11:25:36 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: smoothsailing

Can we give him a medal?


6 posted on 12/02/2010 11:26:48 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: smoothsailing; 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; ...

Pinging lists to posts 1 & 2. Thanks for the heads up, Smooth.


7 posted on 12/02/2010 11:28:34 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Cicero

Crazy people aren’t supposed to know they are crazy.

If they plead insanity, then they are by definition sane.

lol.


8 posted on 12/02/2010 11:30:13 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: smoothsailing

While I understand there could be some intel value to the Taliban commander, in all likelihood, the local village leaders would have just shown up and said he was a simple farmer and we’d free him to generate good will.

What this Soldier did was neither crazy or immoral.

God Bless him.


9 posted on 12/02/2010 11:32:49 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Cicero

I agree with you, and crazy or not, “killing Taliban commander Mullah Mohebullah” oughta at least merit an attaboy.


10 posted on 12/02/2010 11:50:06 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: GeronL

Yes, and a brand new car!!!


11 posted on 12/02/2010 11:52:04 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Owl_Eagle

Dittoes!


12 posted on 12/02/2010 11:53:09 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo

Thanks Jaz, hopefully we’ll learn more about this. I havn’t had time to go through the Facebook info, but something tells me this PFC is getting railroaded.


13 posted on 12/02/2010 11:59:40 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

It sorta sounds that way. I haven’t read anything but your post because I logged on after your ping. I’ll do some looking today and let me know if you discover anything.


14 posted on 12/02/2010 12:09:24 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing
Thanks for the ping, jaz. A little more info here: Carson soldier on antidepressants accused of killing Afghan prisoner

This is truly a sad situation. Supposedly his family has a history of schizophrenia....after he began hearing voices, he sought help upon advice from his parents. The military gave him anti-depressants (for schizohprenia???!!!!) and sent him back on duty only after a few days. If this young man suffers from this mental illness, the military has a lot to answer for by disregarding his symptoms and forcing him back on active duty.

The article notes he was nodding off during his court appearance and when he did speak, his speech was slurred. He's probably on a much stronger anti-psychotic at this point.
15 posted on 12/02/2010 12:18:07 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene; smoothsailing
The Army denied Culp’s request, saying regulations do not require the court to put the case on hold until the psychiatric results are obtained.

That boggles the mind. After the way that the Haditha Marine cases were and are strung out and this judge can't even postpone an Article 32 hearing until a psych exam is completed? This is wrong in so many ways.

Thanks for the link, Girlene. You're right, it's a very sad situation!

16 posted on 12/02/2010 1:06:34 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Girlene

Even making him go back on active duty with an anti-depressant after a few days would be way too soon if he was truly suffering from depression! (It takes a couple weeks for someone to start feeling the effects of that type of medication, and in the meantime it can leave you feeling even WORSE!)

The doctor should be forced to explain why he wasn’t put on an anti-psychotic, and given medical leave. Whether he is truly insane or not at this moment, it is (IMHO) the DOCTOR who should be facing questioning, and loss of freedom!


17 posted on 12/02/2010 1:08:07 PM PST by LibertyRocks (Anti-Obama, Pro-Palin Gear: http://www.cafepress.com/SarahPalin2012)
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To: Girlene; jazusamo
Thanks Girlene. From your link...

An Army-ordered psychiatric evaluation is under way to determine whether he understands the charges and is capable of participating in his own defense.

In a motion to delay the hearing, Lawrence’s attorney, James Culp of Austin, Texas, said it’s wrong for the Army to hold hearings in the case when its unclear whether the soldier understands what’s going on.

“I think its breathtakingly irresponsible,” Culp said after the hearing.

The Army denied Culp’s request, saying regulations do not require the court to put the case on hold until the psychiatric results are obtained.

I don't get it, what's the rush? Why can't the government wait until the evaluation is completed.

It's not like they don't let Marines and soldiers sit around for years waiting for trial.

18 posted on 12/02/2010 1:08:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Girlene; jazusamo; smoothsailing

I think they may have this backward. What he should be pleading with an insanity defense is “The people running this dog and pony show ARE COMPLETELY INSANE”.

No joke people.

They don’t have Rules of Engagement anymore. They have Terms of Endearment.

I gotta go. If you would like, you can come stand in the closet and SCREAM WITH ME!


19 posted on 12/02/2010 1:14:55 PM PST by bigheadfred (Don't mind me. I'm just embracing my inner psychopath.)
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To: GeronL; Cicero
Crazy people aren’t supposed to know they are crazy. If they plead insanity, then they are by definition sane.

NOT TRUE.

20 posted on 12/02/2010 1:17:17 PM PST by bigheadfred (Don't mind me. I'm just embracing my inner psychopath.)
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