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Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile
G2 Bulletin via WND ^ | 11-19-10 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/02/2010 2:02:35 PM PST by bigbob

Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet – but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.

(Farah is the founder of WorldNet Daily)

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: californiamissile; chat; contrail; contrailconmen; contrailhoaxers; contrailmadness; coverup; farah; g2bulletin; jetcontrail; missile; missilemystery; mysterymissile; psychosis; repost; timetolockthisthread; tinfoilbrigade; ups902; worldnutdaily
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A video report summarizing this story and including reports from Brig. General Jim Cash and other experts can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WGcSuGojYA

One thing is for sure: if the gov't wanted to cover-up something, the relationship between the Obama Administration and the MSM couldn't make it easier. That's why I think we need to continue to bring these shadowy events into the light of day. Perhaps one day new facts will emerge.

1 posted on 12/02/2010 2:02:38 PM PST by bigbob
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

ping


2 posted on 12/02/2010 2:04:21 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: bigbob

If it was a non American launched missile, and we continue to pretend it didn’t happen, theey will do it again and with more lethality. If it was a contrail........Then it’ll stay quiet.


3 posted on 12/02/2010 2:05:16 PM PST by blackdog
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To: bigbob

It won’t die!

Even Jane’s has said they messed up and it’s a plane. Stop the madness.


4 posted on 12/02/2010 2:05:21 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: bigbob

Wonder if it was North Korea? All there weapons are made from China,right?

There was this rumor earlier in the year:http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/05/02/did-north-korea-torpedo-oil-rig-in-us-gulf/

We had the North Korean attack of the South right after this mysterious contrail.


5 posted on 12/02/2010 2:06:24 PM PST by CommieCutter (A Centrist Democrat is now defined as: between Socialism and Communism.)
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To: blackdog

Obama continues to dumb America down. I can’t stand it and I agree with you 100%.


6 posted on 12/02/2010 2:06:24 PM PST by freebird5850 (When 0bama fails, FREEDOM prevails!)
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To: bigbob

Bookmark for later


7 posted on 12/02/2010 2:08:34 PM PST by jersey117
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To: bigbob

If the trail was a missile, it was headed for the US mainland. I wonder where it landed, and what the warhead is doing now?

Tick...tick...tick it’s out there somewhere, what is it doing?


8 posted on 12/02/2010 2:09:35 PM PST by DBrow
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To: bigbob

If this was indeed a Chinese missile launch some 30 miles off the California coast, it would indicate the Chicoms don’t consider the 200-mile perimeter it claims for its coastal waters to apply to those of the United States.


9 posted on 12/02/2010 2:10:26 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: GreyFriar
Several years ago, I made it out to Cape in Florida for a Titan rocket launch.

We sat on a pier across from the cape opposite side of the Indian river.

As soon as I saw the footage of the contrail off the West coast, I had no doubt it was a missile.

Looked identical to the contrail from the Titan launch.

10 posted on 12/02/2010 2:10:40 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: bigbob

11 posted on 12/02/2010 2:10:50 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: luvbach1

If it was a Chinese missile, we’d actually have to do something about it. People would demand real action. And we’d have to rethink our [disasterous] approach to nurturing the Chinese threat. Can’t have that.


12 posted on 12/02/2010 2:12:44 PM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Bigh4u2

There were a lot of Freepers who were so SURE it was a contrail, berating anyone who thought otherwise.


13 posted on 12/02/2010 2:13:20 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: servantboy777

A Titan III or IV has two strap on solid fuelled boosters in addition to it’s two main liquid fuelled engined. How do you propose something that big got on a sub?


14 posted on 12/02/2010 2:15:29 PM PST by pfflier
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To: treetopsandroofs

There ‘were’? Still are. Basically anyone with sense.


15 posted on 12/02/2010 2:16:41 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Well, just for the record, here’s what Janes said the day after the event:

“Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.

“It’s a solid propellant missile,” he told the Times. “You can tell from the efflux [smoke].”

Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.


Respectfully, if you have a more recent statement from Mr. Richardson, please share it with all of us, and help us understand why he changed his opinion. I couldn’t find anything in a quick Google search.

Moreover, the allegation and fear here is that there is a cover-up going on.

No madness here, just unexplained facts and speculation.


16 posted on 12/02/2010 2:18:37 PM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Yes I know.

But this subject has been discussed so many times that now it’s just like someone is hoping to get into an argument.

It’s going to be a no-win situation.


17 posted on 12/02/2010 2:22:12 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: pfflier

Chinese ballistic missile submarine Type-095 was scheduled to be deployed in 2010. It carries 12 JL-2 missiles with an 8000km range. 3-4 MRVS each. The Type-095 is supposed to be very, very quiet. And since we don’t want to disturb the whales. Maybe the ears were off.


18 posted on 12/02/2010 2:23:56 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: pfflier
"How do you propose something that big got on a sub?"

Magic.

Why are you trying to harsh these people's mellow? (spoken in my best hippie/surfer dude accent).

19 posted on 12/02/2010 2:24:49 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: treetopsandroofs

Not *were* — they still do, and they’ll be joining this thread as soon as they see it so they can once again heckle those who believe it was a missile.


20 posted on 12/02/2010 2:27:07 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (*********************End automatic pay raises for congresscritters**)
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To: bigbob
It would be "politically incorrect" to admit there was an SLBM launched right off our left coast.
It makes our military look like boobs, and could frighten the sheeple.
If and when LA gets blown to smithereens we may look back at this incident and say, "Hmmmmm?"
21 posted on 12/02/2010 2:29:24 PM PST by trickyricky
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To: bigbob

The missile was launched from the same NOKO midget sub that destroyed the oil rig in the Gulf. Get the facts straight.


22 posted on 12/02/2010 2:30:35 PM PST by verity
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To: pfflier
I did not propose anything, I simply stated the contrail off the east coast looked very very similar to the contrail of the Titan rocket launch.

I did not resemble a plane....to me.

There was a huge plume down low, then a tight, dense arching contrail as the Titan shot out of sight.

Just tellin my perspective, whether or not I noticed the particular design makeup of the Titan should be left up to rocket scientist as yourself...wouldn't you agree Herr Oberth?

23 posted on 12/02/2010 2:30:38 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: GreyFriar

OK, I’ll buy the “made in China” but not the “Chinese missile” bs.

No way to prove it, but my bet is that North Korea set it off. Maybe the Chinese have given them a missile sub?


24 posted on 12/02/2010 2:32:11 PM PST by RossA
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To: blackdog; TXnMA
Hey, if it was a missile it was about 1 mile wide at launch.

I'd imagine it'd be hard keeping something like that secret for long eh!

25 posted on 12/02/2010 2:33:43 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: bigbob

Well, I couldn’t tell much from the still photos, but I watched the video and read most of the reports.

It sure looked like a solid fuel booster to me. And since it came right up from the open ocean, miles from the nearest land, the likeliest source was a sub.

And since this is the kind of thing the Chinese navy has been doing in recent years, like that sub that surfaced in the middle of the fleet commanded by Admiral Mullen, my best guess is that the sub was Chinese.

Farah is not totally reliable. But I think he’s right on this one.


26 posted on 12/02/2010 2:33:43 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: massgopguy

The second stage of a JL-2 Missile is liquid fuelled and at operational altitudes would leave a very diffused exhaust plume. It would cover half of the horizon and look like an airborne jellyfish. Nope, try again.


27 posted on 12/02/2010 2:34:10 PM PST by pfflier
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To: bigbob

Come on now - we all know it was unicorn farts.


28 posted on 12/02/2010 2:37:00 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: servantboy777
On the other hand there are those folks who think the Moon Landing was faked, and they'd probably argue that what you thought was a Titan missile was actually a cleverly disguised airplane ~ and you couldn't tell the difference (not that I couldn't, but you couldn't).

BTW, the California phenomenon had to do with airplanes and contrails and clouds, and the position of the Sun in the sky (just over the horizon). There was no missile.

29 posted on 12/02/2010 2:37:00 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: bigbob

Doesn’t iran and north korea have subs? Just wondering.


30 posted on 12/02/2010 2:42:06 PM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: bigbob

I have no idea whether it was a SLBM or something entirely different. A couple of observations though:

1. I’d be very surprised if the North Koreans have the capability to do this. I’d write that theory off.

2. The PLAN (Chinese Navy) does- but it makes zero sense for them to do so. If your potential opponent has an exploitable weakness like a relatively undefended coastline- it is glaring stupidity to point it out to him with a big, un-ignorable, dramatic display which will force them to take action to remedy it.


31 posted on 12/02/2010 2:42:57 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: bigbob
” Been thinking about this .. If it was a missile, the ChiComs and the Russians as well as France and Britain know about it, because they have similar assets to detect missile launches.
If it were launched by China or the US ,from the CA coast towards the NW as most seem to agree with , the Russians would have seen it as a threat and most prob. nuc’ed our asses.
If it were launched by Russia or the US, ChiComs would have seen it as a threat and nuc'ed our asses

I gotta go with Occam's razor on this one ...

32 posted on 12/02/2010 2:43:49 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: servantboy777
Looked identical to the contrail from the Titan launch.

I saw it on Monday night in person and on SeeBS News. (Think: Dan Rather)

I saw another one again in person on Tuesday night.

Both looked like jets to me.

I wonder why the one on Tuesday didn't make the news? /s

33 posted on 12/02/2010 2:47:18 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: JEC
Doesn’t iran and north korea have subs? Just wondering.

Diesel-electric attack boats, I think. I know one of our resident bubbleheads will correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never heard of a diesel boat that could cross the ocean and launch a strategic high-trajectory ballistic missile. That's usually the province of a SSBN (nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine).

34 posted on 12/02/2010 2:48:17 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: bigbob

Wikileaks will have something on this in the next document dump. /s


35 posted on 12/02/2010 2:53:55 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: bigbob

Haven’t you heard?

It wasn’t a missile. It was a weather balloon.

Cloth remains and asian-looking crash test dummies were recovered 3500 miles downrange upwind due to freak conditions.


36 posted on 12/02/2010 2:55:03 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: servantboy777
Just tellin my perspective, whether or not I noticed the particular design makeup of the Titan should be left up to rocket scientist as yourself

Funny you should say that. I am a rocket scientist.

I spent 9 years in the USAF maintaining and operationally launching Minuteman IIIs. I have participated in 6 launches and have witnessed many more of various types at Vandenberg AFB. After I got out of the USAF, I worked on the M-X project and participated in 3 test launches with that program also.

If you have any questions I'll be glad to answer them.

37 posted on 12/02/2010 2:57:18 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Cicero
Well, I couldn’t tell much from the still photos, but I watched the video and read most of the reports.

I saw it in person on Monday night. On Tuesday night, there was another one in the exact same spot in the sky at the exact same time as Monday nights.

Weird. It was almost like they were scheduled flights or something. ;-)

Here's the link to Tuesday's contrail. Somehow, that one didn't make it to Tuesday's SeeBS News broadcast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJi2L4QC_fk

First, the SeeBS News broadcast from Monday night didn't give any perspective on how fast it was moving across the sky. I've see ICBM launches from Vandenberg AFB. This was much slower. It moved across the sky at the same speed as an airliner.

Second, the contrail didn't last as long as those from the ICBMs. When an ICBM launches the smoke trail lasts for hours and is visible even after dark. This one dissipated pretty quickly and once the sun went down it was no longer visible.

Third, the so-called exhaust flare was nothing more than the light from the setting sun reflecting off the belly of the jet. You can't tell this from the SeeBS News video because they were slightly out of focus.

In reality, it was an optical illusion caused by the relative humidity, season, time of day and the time the airliners flew over the area.

38 posted on 12/02/2010 3:02:50 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: treetopsandroofs; bigboy; Rokke
There were a lot of Freepers who were so SURE it was a contrail, berating anyone who thought otherwise.

Yep, and they're still at it, although most of them admit that they've never actually seen a missile launch themselves. (Interestingly, the bulk of FReepers who've watched missiles launches and who've posted to the threads, say outright it was a missile. You can read the posts on the many threads over the past three weeks -- I have).

One of the most prolific pushers of the airline contrail nonsense, Rokke, had gone for 21 months on Free Republic without making one, solitary post -- his most recent was on Feb. 13, 2009.

Then on Nov. 11, 2010, two days after CBS shows the Leyvas footage, he went into overdrive.

Since then, to date, he has made 52 posts to Free Republic, every one of them on the missile threads. Quite a lot of them have all kinds of pictures and graphs and arrows and calculations and comparison shots of all kinds of hooptidoodle, ANYTHING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE from the video by Gil Leyvas that started it all.

That's right. One of the noisiest and most desperate proponents of the airline contrail hoax ... Silence for nearly two years ... and then all the sudden more than 50 posts on one subject in three weeks.

Smells like a guy with an agenda, to me.

39 posted on 12/02/2010 3:04:40 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Cicero
And since it came right up from the open ocean, miles from the nearest land, the likeliest source was a sub

I meant to add that the distance from L.A. was estimated to be 35 miles, which, coincidentally, is the exact same distance the horizon is when one is at sea-level.

40 posted on 12/02/2010 3:04:41 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Finny
Yep, and they're still at it, although most of them admit that they've never actually seen a missile launch themselves.

Yeah, I'm one of them, too.

Except that I've seen ICBM launches from Vandenberg AFB in person and I saw this one and Tuesday's contrail in person, as well.

It was a jet.

If you'd rather (pun intended) believe SeeBS News on this one, go right ahead.

41 posted on 12/02/2010 3:07:06 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Tolsti2

Uh, a NORAD General said it was, without a doubt, a missile. Jane’s is often wrong.


42 posted on 12/02/2010 3:07:43 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Finny

You’re really out there.


43 posted on 12/02/2010 3:08:06 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Paul Ross
Uh, a NORAD General said it was, without a doubt, a missile.

Did he see it in person like me, or did he just watch the SeeBS News video?

44 posted on 12/02/2010 3:09:31 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Paul Ross

The Norad general and Jane’s were initially wrong. At least Jane’s had the guts to correct themselves. If that general just saw the same video we all did without any other information, I don’t care what he said.

If he has inside info, then he’s violating secrecy and needs to be prosecuted.


45 posted on 12/02/2010 3:12:03 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Finny

Freepers bash and mods ban opinions that must not be mentioned.

It has been obvious that FR is compromised for some time.

Nice work actually documenting the phenomenon.


46 posted on 12/02/2010 3:17:09 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: pfflier
If you have any questions I'll be glad to answer them.

I've got one. How come your very first post on the subject, Nov. 10, stated: Someone launched a missile. No one is admitting it. Let it go.

And then your handful of posts on the subject since then, you definitely state that it WASN'T a missile?

47 posted on 12/02/2010 3:18:06 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I hate to say it, but that second video doesn’t in the slightest bit resemble the first. In fact, it’s not a video, it’s game playing with a still photo, as far as I can tell.


48 posted on 12/02/2010 3:21:20 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Finny
(Interestingly, the bulk of FReepers who've watched missiles launches and who've posted to the threads, say outright it was a missile.

Not so. The bulk of the FReepers who've watch missile launches think it was a jet.

49 posted on 12/02/2010 3:23:04 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: bigbob

This was a warning after they disabled the Cruise Ship with a new EMP weapon.


50 posted on 12/02/2010 3:24:39 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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