Skip to comments.Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile
Posted on 12/02/2010 2:02:35 PM PST by bigbob
Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast and recorded by a KCBS television crew came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.
(Farah is the founder of WorldNet Daily)
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One thing is for sure: if the gov't wanted to cover-up something, the relationship between the Obama Administration and the MSM couldn't make it easier. That's why I think we need to continue to bring these shadowy events into the light of day. Perhaps one day new facts will emerge.
If it was a non American launched missile, and we continue to pretend it didn’t happen, theey will do it again and with more lethality. If it was a contrail........Then it’ll stay quiet.
It won’t die!
Even Jane’s has said they messed up and it’s a plane. Stop the madness.
Wonder if it was North Korea? All there weapons are made from China,right?
There was this rumor earlier in the year:http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/05/02/did-north-korea-torpedo-oil-rig-in-us-gulf/
We had the North Korean attack of the South right after this mysterious contrail.
Obama continues to dumb America down. I can’t stand it and I agree with you 100%.
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If the trail was a missile, it was headed for the US mainland. I wonder where it landed, and what the warhead is doing now?
Tick...tick...tick it’s out there somewhere, what is it doing?
If this was indeed a Chinese missile launch some 30 miles off the California coast, it would indicate the Chicoms don’t consider the 200-mile perimeter it claims for its coastal waters to apply to those of the United States.
We sat on a pier across from the cape opposite side of the Indian river.
As soon as I saw the footage of the contrail off the West coast, I had no doubt it was a missile.
Looked identical to the contrail from the Titan launch.
If it was a Chinese missile, we’d actually have to do something about it. People would demand real action. And we’d have to rethink our [disasterous] approach to nurturing the Chinese threat. Can’t have that.
There were a lot of Freepers who were so SURE it was a contrail, berating anyone who thought otherwise.
A Titan III or IV has two strap on solid fuelled boosters in addition to it’s two main liquid fuelled engined. How do you propose something that big got on a sub?
There ‘were’? Still are. Basically anyone with sense.
Well, just for the record, here’s what Janes said the day after the event:
“Doug Richardson, the editor of Janes Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.
“Its a solid propellant missile,” he told the Times. “You can tell from the efflux [smoke].”
Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.
Respectfully, if you have a more recent statement from Mr. Richardson, please share it with all of us, and help us understand why he changed his opinion. I couldn’t find anything in a quick Google search.
Moreover, the allegation and fear here is that there is a cover-up going on.
No madness here, just unexplained facts and speculation.
Yes I know.
But this subject has been discussed so many times that now it’s just like someone is hoping to get into an argument.
It’s going to be a no-win situation.
Chinese ballistic missile submarine Type-095 was scheduled to be deployed in 2010. It carries 12 JL-2 missiles with an 8000km range. 3-4 MRVS each. The Type-095 is supposed to be very, very quiet. And since we don’t want to disturb the whales. Maybe the ears were off.
Why are you trying to harsh these people's mellow? (spoken in my best hippie/surfer dude accent).
Not *were* — they still do, and they’ll be joining this thread as soon as they see it so they can once again heckle those who believe it was a missile.
The missile was launched from the same NOKO midget sub that destroyed the oil rig in the Gulf. Get the facts straight.
I did not resemble a plane....to me.
There was a huge plume down low, then a tight, dense arching contrail as the Titan shot out of sight.
Just tellin my perspective, whether or not I noticed the particular design makeup of the Titan should be left up to rocket scientist as yourself...wouldn't you agree Herr Oberth?
OK, I’ll buy the “made in China” but not the “Chinese missile” bs.
No way to prove it, but my bet is that North Korea set it off. Maybe the Chinese have given them a missile sub?
I'd imagine it'd be hard keeping something like that secret for long eh!
Well, I couldn’t tell much from the still photos, but I watched the video and read most of the reports.
It sure looked like a solid fuel booster to me. And since it came right up from the open ocean, miles from the nearest land, the likeliest source was a sub.
And since this is the kind of thing the Chinese navy has been doing in recent years, like that sub that surfaced in the middle of the fleet commanded by Admiral Mullen, my best guess is that the sub was Chinese.
Farah is not totally reliable. But I think he’s right on this one.
The second stage of a JL-2 Missile is liquid fuelled and at operational altitudes would leave a very diffused exhaust plume. It would cover half of the horizon and look like an airborne jellyfish. Nope, try again.
Come on now - we all know it was unicorn farts.
BTW, the California phenomenon had to do with airplanes and contrails and clouds, and the position of the Sun in the sky (just over the horizon). There was no missile.
Doesn’t iran and north korea have subs? Just wondering.
I have no idea whether it was a SLBM or something entirely different. A couple of observations though:
1. I’d be very surprised if the North Koreans have the capability to do this. I’d write that theory off.
2. The PLAN (Chinese Navy) does- but it makes zero sense for them to do so. If your potential opponent has an exploitable weakness like a relatively undefended coastline- it is glaring stupidity to point it out to him with a big, un-ignorable, dramatic display which will force them to take action to remedy it.
I gotta go with Occam's razor on this one ...
I saw it on Monday night in person and on SeeBS News. (Think: Dan Rather)
I saw another one again in person on Tuesday night.
Both looked like jets to me.
I wonder why the one on Tuesday didn't make the news? /s
Diesel-electric attack boats, I think. I know one of our resident bubbleheads will correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never heard of a diesel boat that could cross the ocean and launch a strategic high-trajectory ballistic missile. That's usually the province of a SSBN (nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine).
Wikileaks will have something on this in the next document dump. /s
Haven’t you heard?
It wasn’t a missile. It was a weather balloon.
Cloth remains and asian-looking crash test dummies were recovered 3500 miles downrange upwind due to freak conditions.
Funny you should say that. I am a rocket scientist.
I spent 9 years in the USAF maintaining and operationally launching Minuteman IIIs. I have participated in 6 launches and have witnessed many more of various types at Vandenberg AFB. After I got out of the USAF, I worked on the M-X project and participated in 3 test launches with that program also.
If you have any questions I'll be glad to answer them.
I saw it in person on Monday night. On Tuesday night, there was another one in the exact same spot in the sky at the exact same time as Monday nights.
Weird. It was almost like they were scheduled flights or something. ;-)
Here's the link to Tuesday's contrail. Somehow, that one didn't make it to Tuesday's SeeBS News broadcast.
First, the SeeBS News broadcast from Monday night didn't give any perspective on how fast it was moving across the sky. I've see ICBM launches from Vandenberg AFB. This was much slower. It moved across the sky at the same speed as an airliner.
Second, the contrail didn't last as long as those from the ICBMs. When an ICBM launches the smoke trail lasts for hours and is visible even after dark. This one dissipated pretty quickly and once the sun went down it was no longer visible.
Third, the so-called exhaust flare was nothing more than the light from the setting sun reflecting off the belly of the jet. You can't tell this from the SeeBS News video because they were slightly out of focus.
In reality, it was an optical illusion caused by the relative humidity, season, time of day and the time the airliners flew over the area.
Yep, and they're still at it, although most of them admit that they've never actually seen a missile launch themselves. (Interestingly, the bulk of FReepers who've watched missiles launches and who've posted to the threads, say outright it was a missile. You can read the posts on the many threads over the past three weeks -- I have).
One of the most prolific pushers of the airline contrail nonsense, Rokke, had gone for 21 months on Free Republic without making one, solitary post -- his most recent was on Feb. 13, 2009.
Then on Nov. 11, 2010, two days after CBS shows the Leyvas footage, he went into overdrive.
Since then, to date, he has made 52 posts to Free Republic, every one of them on the missile threads. Quite a lot of them have all kinds of pictures and graphs and arrows and calculations and comparison shots of all kinds of hooptidoodle, ANYTHING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE from the video by Gil Leyvas that started it all.
That's right. One of the noisiest and most desperate proponents of the airline contrail hoax ... Silence for nearly two years ... and then all the sudden more than 50 posts on one subject in three weeks.
Smells like a guy with an agenda, to me.
I meant to add that the distance from L.A. was estimated to be 35 miles, which, coincidentally, is the exact same distance the horizon is when one is at sea-level.
Yeah, I'm one of them, too.
Except that I've seen ICBM launches from Vandenberg AFB in person and I saw this one and Tuesday's contrail in person, as well.
It was a jet.
If you'd rather (pun intended) believe SeeBS News on this one, go right ahead.
Uh, a NORAD General said it was, without a doubt, a missile. Jane’s is often wrong.
You’re really out there.
Did he see it in person like me, or did he just watch the SeeBS News video?
The Norad general and Jane’s were initially wrong. At least Jane’s had the guts to correct themselves. If that general just saw the same video we all did without any other information, I don’t care what he said.
If he has inside info, then he’s violating secrecy and needs to be prosecuted.
Freepers bash and mods ban opinions that must not be mentioned.
It has been obvious that FR is compromised for some time.
Nice work actually documenting the phenomenon.
I've got one. How come your very first post on the subject, Nov. 10, stated: Someone launched a missile. No one is admitting it. Let it go.
And then your handful of posts on the subject since then, you definitely state that it WASN'T a missile?
I hate to say it, but that second video doesn’t in the slightest bit resemble the first. In fact, it’s not a video, it’s game playing with a still photo, as far as I can tell.
Not so. The bulk of the FReepers who've watch missile launches think it was a jet.
This was a warning after they disabled the Cruise Ship with a new EMP weapon.