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Ron Paulís Diem Mirabilis
National Review Online ^ | 12/03/2010 | Daniel Foster

Posted on 12/03/2010 12:29:06 PM PST by OldDeckHand

In the space of 24 hours, Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) has voted for tax hikes, against censure for Charlie Rangel, and defended Julian Assange.

Just sayin’.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: libertarian; paul
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Short, sweet and painfully true.
1 posted on 12/03/2010 12:29:07 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
There is definitely a lot wrong with Ron Paul but coming from National Romney Magazine, I totally miss the point.
2 posted on 12/03/2010 12:32:16 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: GeronL

How many Republicans show their their Inner Liberal in 24 hours? Ron Paul has compiled a world record!


3 posted on 12/03/2010 12:34:41 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: OldDeckHand

WHAT????????


4 posted on 12/03/2010 12:35:43 PM PST by DefeatCorruption
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To: OldDeckHand

Your average Paultard probably applauds what Assange is doing.


5 posted on 12/03/2010 12:37:06 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: OldDeckHand

To be fair (and you all know I am no Ron Paul fan) he didn’t vote for the tax hike per say. Pelosi’s spin on her little tax cut extention is voting against her way is a tax hike.

You can replace that with his voting against condemning North Korea’s attack on SK.


6 posted on 12/03/2010 12:37:55 PM PST by mnehring
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To: dirtboy

They do..


7 posted on 12/03/2010 12:38:25 PM PST by mnehring
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To: dirtboy
Yeah, probably doing it now, it's afternoon so they should be getting ready for their shift at Starbucks...
8 posted on 12/03/2010 12:39:13 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: OldDeckHand

There are a lot of Ron Paul supporters in the Tea Party movement.

I think he has the potential to split the Tea Party vote in the GOP primaries.


9 posted on 12/03/2010 12:39:37 PM PST by jerry557
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To: OldDeckHand
Paul voted FOR the censure of the gentleman from Manhattan.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll607.xml

10 posted on 12/03/2010 12:39:48 PM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: OldDeckHand
In the space of 24 hours, Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) has voted for tax hikes, against censure for Charlie Rangel, and defended Julian Assange.

Hear ye, hear ye. Every conservative who supports Ron Paul, enter, stand and be recognized.


11 posted on 12/03/2010 12:40:13 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: DefeatCorruption

I thought you meant RAND Paul.


12 posted on 12/03/2010 12:42:28 PM PST by DefeatCorruption
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To: jerry557

I doubt it, I don’t see Paul being much of an issue.


13 posted on 12/03/2010 12:43:24 PM PST by ansel12
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To: OldDeckHand

This is horse$#!+. Paul voted for censure of Rangel. He voted for extending the middle class tax cuts. And he said that we can’t prosecute Assange for treason because he’s Australian.

Man!


14 posted on 12/03/2010 12:44:11 PM PST by November 2010
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To: OldDeckHand

Any one read what his rationale for the tax hike vote was?

I never saw it.


15 posted on 12/03/2010 12:44:47 PM PST by DManA
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To: NativeNewYorker
"Paul voted FOR the censure of the gentleman from Manhattan."

In the same way Kerry was for it, before he was against it.

Paul was part of the contingent that moved censure be reduced to reprimand. After that resolution failed, he then voted for censure.

16 posted on 12/03/2010 12:45:11 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: DManA

He voted against Pelosi’s limited extension for only ‘middle class’, joining the Republicans demanding a full extension (I can’t believe I am defending Paul but right is right)..


17 posted on 12/03/2010 12:46:21 PM PST by mnehring
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To: November 2010

Ron Paul wrote on his Twitter:
“Re: Wikileaks- In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble.”


18 posted on 12/03/2010 12:47:07 PM PST by jerry557
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To: DManA
"Any one read what his rationale for the tax hike vote was?"

I have not. He voted for the House bill that raised taxes on anyone making (I think) over $1M - could be wrong on that $1M, it may have been something more or less.

19 posted on 12/03/2010 12:47:46 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: mnehring

Thanks. There is often method to seeming madness in the legislature.

They need a complete hose down of the stinking house and start doing business there like honest reasonable people.

(not a criticism of Paul, but the whole institution).


20 posted on 12/03/2010 12:49:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: jerry557

So, in a ‘free society’ it is OK to steal something from someone else (even if it is just information) or commit treason (Bradley or the hackers) IF someone out there claims a moral high ground that it is ‘truth’.

Our nuclear secrets are ‘truth’ per say, maybe they should stolen and published for the world to see?


21 posted on 12/03/2010 12:53:46 PM PST by mnehring
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To: dirtboy
Your average Paultard probably applauds what Assange is doing.

Mike Church is taking a libertarian position and seeming to let Assausage get a pass as well.

To be accurate, to vote against the Nancy version of the partial extension of the Bush era tax cuts is hardly a vote "against" tax cuts, specifically or generally.

Likewise to vote for an amendment to change the censure to a reprimand and then, that amendment failing, voting for a censure isn't accruately described by NRO.

As a conservative that has been a critic of doctrainaire, ideological libertarianism quit often, I have a lot of problems the the Libertarian Party. I have likewise found the Liberty Caucus and self-styled libertarian Republican Ron Paul to be a troublesome as the worst leftist in Defense issues in general, but this blog is painting with a broad brush and as others have said, may be acting like National Rommney Online.

After a reading of the Espionage Act by Mark Levin, I think the WikiLeaks head can be charged with espionage as a foreign national and should be.

22 posted on 12/03/2010 12:54:49 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: GeronL; OldDeckHand

Ha ha! You both have good points.


23 posted on 12/03/2010 12:56:02 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: jerry557
The Manhattan Project was the truth, but everyone knowing it would have been big trouble...
24 posted on 12/03/2010 12:56:49 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: November 2010
Quit yer lyin.

Paul voted for censure of Rangel.

Paul voted for a motion to change "censure" to "reprimand." So he tried to stop Rangel from being censured. When that motion lost he gave in and voted for censure, but it wasn't the outcome he wanted.

He voted for extending the middle class tax cuts.

Yeah, Ron Paul and Nancy Pelosi are big tax-cutters. Get real. The Pelosi-Paul team voted to keep taxes the same for lower income levels but jack rates on "the rich". Nice class warfare there, buddy.

25 posted on 12/03/2010 12:56:53 PM PST by Crichton
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To: jerry557

So in other words, Ron Paul believes that the strategic foreign policy planning between the POTUS, Dept. of Defense, State Dept. and Joint Chiefs of Staff ... should be publicly furnished to Ahmadinejad, Putin, Jong Il, etc?


26 posted on 12/03/2010 12:57:14 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: Crichton

So he voted for censure and against tax increases. Paul always votes against tax increases. He’s never voted for one.


27 posted on 12/03/2010 1:01:16 PM PST by November 2010
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To: mnehring; KC Burke
He voted against Pelosi’s limited extension for only ‘middle class’,

Ron Paul voted FOR Pelosi's tax hike scheme.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/02/dems-screw-the-wealth-producers-bill-passes-pelosi-gloats/

28 posted on 12/03/2010 1:02:28 PM PST by Crichton
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To: November 2010
Paul always votes against tax increases. He’s never voted for one.

He just did.

Unless you believe that Nancy Pelosi is a tax-cutter?

29 posted on 12/03/2010 1:03:51 PM PST by Crichton
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To: mnehring
"Our nuclear secrets are ‘truth’ per say, maybe they should stolen and published for the world to see?"

You've taken the words out of my mouth. Paul, and his ilk, think the world be a better place without any secrets. The problem is all this would mean is that America would be a place with no secrets, while our enemies - and yes Ron, we have enemies - would hold onto theirs. It's idiotic.

Moreover, Paul ignores the fact that foreign leaders tell us things in confidence, and agree to things in confidence. Why? Because sometimes those leaders have but a tenuous hold on their own country, barely keeping at bay the crazy-ass muzzies who literally want to blow the world up. When that leader is exposed the way the Yemeni leader was exposed in this recent leak, it makes the world a more dangerous place, and it hurts our national security. Ron Paul doesn't believe in national security, apparently.

30 posted on 12/03/2010 1:04:15 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: November 2010

You’re not seriously going to put up facts against an internet blogger’s one and a partial sentence opinion are you?


31 posted on 12/03/2010 1:04:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: OldDeckHand

Perhaps this blurb is totally untrue.


32 posted on 12/03/2010 1:05:11 PM PST by eleni121
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To: Crichton
Holy Carp you are right! I just checked the House vote record.(that's what I get for actually believing some Paultard spin I read on another site)...

Ron Paul voted with Pelosi and against the Republicans. In other words, Ron Paul voted to raise taxes on anyone making more than $250K..

So much for his claim he 'never votes to raise taxes'. (about as BS as some of his other claims.)

33 posted on 12/03/2010 1:06:43 PM PST by mnehring
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To: OldDeckHand

What a douche. Here’s hoping Rand fell faaaaaaar from the tree.


34 posted on 12/03/2010 1:07:22 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: OldDeckHand

RP isn’t a libertarian, he’s a contrarian. If this gets him yet another shot on the Alex Jones show, he’ll be happy.


35 posted on 12/03/2010 1:08:23 PM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: Crichton

Paul voted for a tax increase by voting against a tax increase. That makes sense to you? I’m tired of the game of mischaracterizing votes and statements which this National Review guy did in spades. The writer should be ashamed of himself. What Paul did was not go along with the Republican House leadership’s strategy. That is not the same as voting to increase taxes and the writer of the article knows it. So do you.


36 posted on 12/03/2010 1:09:16 PM PST by November 2010
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To: eleni121
"Perhaps this blurb is totally untrue."

Or, perhaps not.

Foster published an comment later in the story I posted. It says in part...

"...Paul voted against censure before he voted for it. He voted for a net tax hike, period. And I'll leave it to readers to decide if Paul was merely stating the technicality that Assange can't be prosecuted for treason because he's Australian...."

If you want to explore what Paul said about Wikileaks, you might want to start with this story...

December 3, 2010 Texas Rep. Ron Paul: Don’t prosecute WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange

Maybe it's me, but that seems like a full-throated defense of Assange.

37 posted on 12/03/2010 1:10:56 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Maybe that’s why Libtard and Libertarian sound somewhat alike. There may well be reasons consistent in Ron Paul’s mind that justify each of those votes. At the same time, there’s more to the world than conforming with Ron Paul’s world view. Unfortunately, libtards tend to pass laws to make you conform while poor old Ron just tilts at the windmills.


38 posted on 12/03/2010 1:11:01 PM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: OldDeckHand

What I think this is about is a campaign to keep Paul from a chairmanship where he can question the Federal Reserve. Paul should be in the chairmanship and he is the guy to ask the questions. He’s a political maverick and he’s the guy to do it. They don’t want that apparently.


39 posted on 12/03/2010 1:11:43 PM PST by November 2010
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To: November 2010
Paul voted for a tax increase by voting against a tax increase. That makes sense to you?

He voted for the bill that raises taxes on anyone making over $250K per year but extends the tax cuts for people making less than $250K per year. That was Pelosi's bill he voted for. The Republican alternative, which he rejected, extended the tax cut to all tax payers.

In other words, the result of the bill Paul voted for is that people making over $250K will see an increase in their taxes.

40 posted on 12/03/2010 1:12:13 PM PST by mnehring
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To: jerry557

The Libertarian influence in some of the Tea Parties is the only thing that really scares me about the movement. One of the TP groups that emails me event updates has a link to a Truther site on their home page.


41 posted on 12/03/2010 1:12:18 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: OldDeckHand
Trying to argue reality with Paulitards...

Wear a helmet, that wall you are banging your head against is pretty hard...

42 posted on 12/03/2010 1:12:43 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Daniel Foster—not giving context, being deliberately misleading. Making a mental note to not trust him in the future.


43 posted on 12/03/2010 1:12:55 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Servant of the Cross

Libertarians are destroying the fashion sense of America! The man can’t even find shoes that fit him! He’ll be wearing a Boob Belt next.


44 posted on 12/03/2010 1:14:50 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: November 2010
Paul voted for a tax increase by voting against a tax increase. That makes sense to you?

The fact is, Paul voted for a tax increase by voting for a tax increase.

He didn't vote for a tax cut of any kind - he supported Nancy Pelosi's position of raising some taxes and keeping some taxes the same.

It's really, really simple to understand.

45 posted on 12/03/2010 1:15:38 PM PST by Crichton
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To: Deb
In every movement, there will be a few who are "off." Heck, even reliable people can have an "off" day. It's a sign of amateurism, and the TP are amateurs.

For instance, I was at one meeting where an otherwise sharp guy speculated that with the Chinese one-child policy, desperate Chinese men would arrive at our shores to abscond with American women.

Just had to laugh at the mental picture of these young Chinese men chasing after some of our overweight white women...

46 posted on 12/03/2010 1:15:45 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Deb
Every family has that crazy uncle...

Sadly this one had a bunch of bong hittin’ kids (followers)...

47 posted on 12/03/2010 1:17:16 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: OldDeckHand
"In the space of 24 hours, Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) has voted for tax hikes, against censure for Charlie Rangel, and defended Julian Assange. Just sayin’."

That must have been Paul's evil twin.

48 posted on 12/03/2010 1:17:39 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: jerry557

Has he ever Tweeted about the Rosenbergs?


49 posted on 12/03/2010 1:17:45 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Mamzelle
"Daniel Foster—not giving context, being deliberately misleading. "

You say "deliberately misleading". I say "cutting through the Paulian obfuscation".

Paul voted against censure.

Paul voted to raise people's taxes.

Paul clearly supports what Assange did.

50 posted on 12/03/2010 1:18:56 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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