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Collins says 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal must wait for tax cuts
The Hill ^ | 12/03/10 04:02 PM ET | Michael O'Brien

Posted on 12/03/2010 1:45:08 PM PST by Red Steel

Democrats hoping to move forward with legislation other than tax cuts shouldn't look to centrist Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) to break the logjam.

Collins said again on Friday that, while she would vote with Democrats to end the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, she wouldn't do so until a debate over tax cuts has been resolved.

"Once the tax issue is resolved, I have made it clear that if the Majority Leader brings the Defense Authorization bill to the floor with sufficient time allowed for debate and amendments, I would vote to proceed to the bill," she said in a statement.

The statement is a sign that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's (Ky.) Republican conference hasn't fractured in its insistence that the expiring tax cuts be dealt with prior to action on any other legislative business.

All 42 Senate Republicans wrote Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to inform him that the GOP wouldn't allow any other issues to move before tax cuts during the lame-duck session. That includes the defense authorization bill, to which an amendment is attached that would do away with the military's prohibition on openly gay and lesbian members.

That bill appears to have the 60 votes necessary to proceed through the Senate — but not until tax cuts are addressed.

Reid will convene a rare Saturday session tomorrow to vote on tax cuts, but on a version that Republicans are expected to oppose. Democrats will bring two bills to the floor: one that would extend all tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 and another measure meant as a compromise, which would extend tax cuts for all making less than $1 million.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Kentucky; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 111th; allpoliticsislocal; bafflethemwithbs; dadt; gays; homosexualagenda; kentucky; lameduck; maine; massachusetts; nevada; rino
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1 posted on 12/03/2010 1:45:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
That bill [repeal DADT] appears to have the 60 votes necessary to proceed through the Senate — but not until tax cuts are addressed.

Actually, the rats look to be at least 1 short since Joe Manchin is not going for it. And I did not count the two Arkansas Dem senators who voted back in September against DADT cloture. And now RINO Collins is falling back for the full tax cuts.

2 posted on 12/03/2010 1:51:24 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I’m not quite sure where this is coming from.

Wasn’t it earlier this week that all 42 Republican senators signed a letter stating, in effect, that nothing else was happening until a vote extending Bush-era tax cuts for everyone was held?


3 posted on 12/03/2010 1:59:30 PM PST by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: Red Steel

RINO’s are revolting


4 posted on 12/03/2010 2:04:32 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Arm_Bears
Wasn’t it earlier this week that all 42 Republican senators signed a letter stating, in effect, that nothing else was happening until a vote extending Bush-era tax cuts for everyone was held?

That is what we were told............

And NO tax CUTS are on the table. We are debating whether to
1) keep the decade old tax rates, OR
2) accept the DemonRAT tax INCREASE.
5 posted on 12/03/2010 2:05:35 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Red Steel
If this is such a necessity why isn't the military clamoring for it? If they wanted a repeal I'm sure the military would make it happen. This is all about 0blahblah paying back one of his few remaining constituencies. If I were a senate Republican I'd say screw this unless you can show me where military readiness would be enhanced. This is what we should be asking of these progressive hacks. WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE MILITARY OF A REPEAL? If the only answer is "It's a matter of fairness" or some such pablum, then no repeal. This goes for the other issue not getting as much air play, allowing women to serve aboard submarines.
6 posted on 12/03/2010 2:07:04 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Red Steel

I thought Webb was not going to support it either, and what about Nelson?


7 posted on 12/03/2010 2:14:20 PM PST by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Red Steel

Oh, geez, they are all going to have to WORK on Saturday?

Bummer!


8 posted on 12/03/2010 2:14:55 PM PST by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: Arm_Bears

That’s what she’s saying. None of the Republicans will allow a vote on anything until the tax cut issue is resolved.


9 posted on 12/03/2010 2:18:59 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: GeronL
RINO’s are revolting

In more ways than one.

10 posted on 12/03/2010 2:19:21 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MSF BU
I would not count on Webb. He's talking like he wants to repeal DADT. senator webb dadt
11 posted on 12/03/2010 2:20:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Deb
None of the Republicans will allow a vote on anything until the tax cut issue is resolved.

If they trade DADT for tax cuts the Republican party is dammed to the dustbin of history.

12 posted on 12/03/2010 2:21:45 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MSF BU
I thought Webb was not going to support it either

In his opening statement and questions to Admiral Mullen and Secretary Gates at the beginning of the hearing yesterday, Webb nearly squealed and giggled with rapturous delight at the thought of swishes and bull dykes openly strutting their stuff in the ranks. He suggested any "problems" could be rectified with non-stop gay sensitivity training.

Don't look for Webb to have the spine to do the right thing.

13 posted on 12/03/2010 2:25:22 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: Red Steel; All; Jim Robinson

I’m just praying for this to drag out long enough so that it won’t come up for a vote during the Lame Duck session. That should kill it for the rest of the Obama administration. The new Senate will not let it come up for a vote. Plus, the new House will kill it as well.

Mr. Obama won’t be reelected. The next POTUS will be a full spectrum (Ronald Reagan)conservative (from fiscal to social issues) and this nonsense will cease.

Folks, it is time for all good men (citizens) to come to the aid of their country. The threat this minority of homosexuals poses to the nation needs to been stomped out with the truth. We need to start educating the public that homosexuality is not a good thing and HOLLYWOOD and the PRESS are just plain wrong to call it an alternative lifestyle. We need to swing public opinion back away from this “I’m OK, you’re are OK” nonsense on this issue. Homosexuality is deviant, perverse, and just plain dysfunctional (immoral too). It is not a thing to be consider OK.

It trully is time to stop the extreme tip of the dog’s tail from wagging the entire dog. They are an extremely vocal and organized SMALL (1-3% and I don’t believe they are more than 1%) minority. They should NOT be allowed to continue to disrupt this country and threaten our military readiness in order to “validate” their deviancy. It is incredible to me that they even are given a public forum and more so that the congress (even a democratic one) would be so messed up to consider them worth considering.


14 posted on 12/03/2010 2:29:21 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: behzinlea

“He suggested any “problems” could be rectified with non-stop gay sensitivity training.””
An unfortunate choice of words on his part!
LOL


15 posted on 12/03/2010 2:29:42 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: central_va

ruining our military for tax cuts is unforgivable, screw the GOP if they cave in on don’t ask.
I can’t even write what I think about this.

As a vet then this don’t ask either goes back to no homosexuals or keep it as don’t ask but to allow open queers is the most disgusting thing the GOP can do


16 posted on 12/03/2010 2:31:56 PM PST by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. FOX and the media are pushing the queer agenda)
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To: Sola Veritas
I’m just praying for this to drag out long enough so that it won’t come up for a vote during the Lame Duck session. That should kill it for the rest of the Obama administration. The new Senate will not let it come up for a vote. Plus, the new House will kill it as well.

Rush said today that this is all political theater because there is not enough time before the clock runs out on the Dims before they can pass anything. The theater is to keep their base happy. See, we tried, but the "evil" Repubs stalled us again. Rush could be very well correct.

Even if the Dems do get to cloture on this or on any other controversial legislation, the process will get drawn out when the Senate Repubs attempt to lard up the bills with amendment after amendment so it dies or slows down in Joint House committee, or the amendments are too much to swallow even for the House Dems if they try a straight up vote on a Repub amended Senate Bill ...et cetera.

17 posted on 12/03/2010 2:43:57 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: central_va

Way to make nooooo sense.


18 posted on 12/03/2010 3:11:05 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Sola Veritas
Some news from Maine on Collin's twin sister Snowe:

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"Collins was the only Republican committee member to support repealing the policy when it was first considered by the committee.

U.S. Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, said Thursday she was monitoring the hearing and continuing to review the Pentagon report, but had concerns about supporting repeal.

"Particularly, the question right now, being that we are at war; I was noticing some of the high percentages in the combat units that had concerns (about repeal)," she said in an interview.

Maine's Republican senators have been targeted by groups pushing for repeal. Maine veterans and the Maine Civil Liberties Union staged a press conference Thursday in Portland to press them to support repeal; pop star Lady Gaga also made a trip to Maine in September before a scheduled Senate vote on the issue.

That vote failed, but another vote on the policy — which is included as an amendment in the defense budget authorization legislation — could come during Congress' lame-duck session.

"I don't know how it will come up here," Snowe said. "They haven't said and they haven't indicated that at this point, what's on the agenda." "

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Military-brass-offer-split-views-on-DADT.html

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Veteran groups -- yeah sure (/sarc) and Lady Gaga too?

19 posted on 12/03/2010 3:22:40 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: behzinlea
He suggested any "problems" could be rectified with non-stop gay sensitivity training.

"Heh heh. He said rectified!"

20 posted on 12/03/2010 3:30:11 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Deb

Makes perfect sense. If the R’s allow the repeal of DADT in xchange for Tax Rates staying the same that is the end of the Republican Party. What don’t you understand? Are you stupid?


21 posted on 12/03/2010 3:53:19 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Red Steel

These politicians make me sick. They don’t act on what’s in the country’s interest, they act according to what interest group screams the loudest. A government like that can’t help but end badly.


22 posted on 12/03/2010 3:59:13 PM PST by popdonnelly (Class warfare is Obama's thing.)
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To: Red Steel

Don’t sexual harassment laws in the workplace cover any issues homosexuals have? You can’t curse at work, you can’t touch anyone at work, you sure can’t come on to anyone at work. So what’s the difference?????


23 posted on 12/03/2010 4:10:07 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: GeronL
RINO’s are revolting

You bet they are. They stink on ice. (Mel Brooks).

/johnny

24 posted on 12/03/2010 4:15:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: huldah1776
you sure can’t come on to anyone at work.

How do you explain me having go into the clean linen closet and separate the waitresses from the swarthy bus-boys with a crowbar?

There's lots of dipping pens in office ink still going on.

/johnny

25 posted on 12/03/2010 4:20:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: huldah1776
Don’t sexual harassment laws in the workplace cover any issues homosexuals have? You can’t curse at work, you can’t touch anyone at work, you sure can’t come on to anyone at work. So what’s the difference?????

The difference? The difference is government requiring employers to hire self identified sexual harassers -thats the difference!

Do you get it? Claiming sexual harassment laws will take care of any problems is but a smokescreen providing cover for the very problem being imposed in the first place...

For example -lets look at pedophiles -the laws against pedophiles will take care of any pedophilia -right? So why not force child care facilities to hire self identified sex perverts? Make sense to you?

What about self identified homosexuals attracted to the same sex -why not put them in close quarters with normal people. Why not put males and females in barracks together -sharing facilities? Who needs privacy? Privacy is only important when it comes to abortion -right?

26 posted on 12/03/2010 4:20:03 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Red Steel
Democrats hoping to move forward with legislation other than tax cuts shouldn't look to centrist Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) to break the logjam.

So much wrong with the use of that term here...

27 posted on 12/03/2010 4:22:55 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: GeronL

Haven’t they always been? ;-)


28 posted on 12/03/2010 4:25:47 PM PST by DemforBush (If I ever get back my blue jeans...Lord, how happy could one man be?)
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To: Red Steel
Collins said again on Friday that, while she would vote with Democrats to end the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, she wouldn't do so until a debate over tax cuts has been resolved.

The democrat infighting continues.

29 posted on 12/03/2010 4:41:19 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Red Steel
"Once the tax issue is resolved, I have made it clear that if the Majority Leader brings the Defense Authorization bill to the floor with sufficient time allowed for debate and amendments, I would vote to proceed to the bill," she said in a statement.

This is good news. She's honoring her party's commitments, at least in the area of fiscal responsibility.

This strengthens the GOP hand through the rest of the lame duck session and into next year.

30 posted on 12/03/2010 6:15:20 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Red Steel
"Actually, the rats look to be at least 1 short since Joe Manchin is not going for it. "

What about Jim Webb? He was firmly against it as late as May of this year. I haven't seen anything that says he's changed his mind.

31 posted on 12/03/2010 6:41:04 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
I may be reading into Webb's words. From three articles:


"Virginia Senator Jim Webb praised the survey, stating, "It's a 340 page report, 160,000 respondents and most importantly this was done without politicizing the men and women in uniform which is vitally important in our society." "

Two key senators praised the Pentagon report on Thursday. Sen. Jim Webb (Va.), the only Democrat on Armed Services to vote against the repeal provision when the panel wrote the 2011 defense authorization bill, called it "an incredible piece of work." While not expressing a clear position, Webb also said the report is "probably the most crucial piece of information that we have in terms of really objectively moving forward.”


And from liberal website FireDogLake.com -

"Congratulations to Senator James Webb (D-Va) for raising the human element during today’s hearings, largely missing and overlooked by all participants:"

"Indeed, when Senator James Webb today asked the Service Chiefs a simple question about the gay human beings impacted by this discriminatory policy, everyone at the hearing acted a bit startled.

Webb asked:

What should we do with gay patriotic Americans who have already served our country for years, and want to lead free and open lives? Everyone looked uncomfortable, as if Webb had gone way off topic."


Webb like last time may ultimately vote against repealing DADT, but he seems a little squishy.

32 posted on 12/03/2010 7:05:04 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: DBeers

So repealing DADT requires homosexual affirmative action?

I guess the survey didn’t get past the cozy questions about how people “ffffeeeeeeellllll” about working with a flaming homosexual.

The question is what REPLACES DADT? They didn’t go that far yet and won’t because what replaces DADT is far worse for natural heterosexuals, and if there is no DADT then SOMETHING has to be put in place.


33 posted on 12/03/2010 7:29:47 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: OldDeckHand
And this from the socialist/libs who are feeling the pinched time. LoL.

- - - - -

-snip-

"UPDATE: This can’t be good news.

The White House called a meeting Friday afternoon to assure gay rights advocates that there’s no deal for President Barack Obama to sidetrack the effort to dismantle the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, even though time is quickly winding down in the lame-duck Congress, sources familiar with the session said.

About a dozen gay rights activists were summoned to the session, which lasted just over an hour and occurred in one of the federally-owned buildings facing Lafayette Park across from the White House, according to a participant.

Oh, jeebus:

A source said the White House staffers at the session, who included Office of Public Engagement director Tina Tchen, her deputy Brian Bond, and legislative affairs aide Chris Kang, told repeal advocates that Senate action on the defense bill containing language repealing “don’t ask” might not come next week in part because of a judicial impeachment trial." "

DADT Repeal Hopes -- FadeFiredogLake.com


A Senate judicial impeachment trial that will eat some time too?

34 posted on 12/03/2010 7:43:54 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

If Collins had not required the ten year trigger back in 2001, we wouldn’t be in this mess now.


35 posted on 12/03/2010 7:55:51 PM PST by TXConservative25
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To: JRandomFreeper

Some people just can’t control themselves, can they? Way back when I was a waitress at a supper club, one slow evening I went looking for the cook to fill an order, and he and one of the other waitresses were making use of an empty banquet room. Yeesh. Didn’t take me long to leave that job, because the owner thought it was hilarious.


36 posted on 12/03/2010 8:22:25 PM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: huldah1776
I guess the survey didn’t get past the cozy questions about how people “ffffeeeeeeellllll” about working with a flaming homosexual.

The survey did not even touch on the subject of "should DADT" be repealed. Just as it was with the leftists and is with the leftists a forgone conclusion that homosexual sex must be accepted by society as normal and imposed upon society for the sake of diversity and orifice justice -- such as it is with this window dressing survey and the opinionated subjective "report" and findings premised upon its existence alone regardless any facts.

It is all propaganda...

They use a survey they wrote that did not ask any questions to answers they already determined as evidence that their answers are what the troops want -HOGWASH!!!

The survey and its results are nothing more than lining for a litter box at best and irrelevant to the debate which revolves around the question: are disordered individuals that are predisposed to and choose to engage in homosexual sex people that are morally upright? Will others trust and want to serve in intimate situations, in close proximity to these homosexual sex practitioners?

My answer to the question not asked is and would be no -hell no!

At best this survey reflects what patriots our service men are -that even if the leftists imposed homosexual sex perverts upon their ranks they would still do their duty defending the country the leftists wish to destroy and the God the leftists spit on...

37 posted on 12/03/2010 10:19:52 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
What about self identified homosexuals attracted to the same sex -why not put them in close quarters with normal people. Why not put males and females in barracks together -sharing facilities? Who needs privacy? Privacy is only important when it comes to abortion -right?

Sorry to inject some reality into your fantasyland but homosexuals are already serving in close quarters and have been under DADT and, actually, well before.

Do you complain about communal gym showers in public high schools? That's even worse and given the ages and maturity levels should not be allowed.

There are only two equitable solutions to DADT: return to no service for homosexuals (not going to happen) or allow open service where everyone knows who is attracted to what and deals with it like reasonable adults. Stop thinking so little of our fighting men and women.

38 posted on 12/03/2010 11:27:35 PM PST by newzjunkey (expired "Bush taxcut" = Obama Tax Increase)
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To: newzjunkey
Sorry to inject some reality into your fantasyland but homosexuals are already serving in close quarters and have been under DADT and, actually, well before.

LOL --did my posting(s) stir something inside you? Are you here to promote orifice diversity or orientation justice?

How about I inject some reality into your delusional diatribe?

How exactly do these "homosexuals" hide the fact that they are homosexuals IF homosexuality is a state of being?

Why would you expect others to be concerned about someones disorder when they are secretly hiding their disorder?

Finally, why would "unmasking" a disordered individual suddenly make the disorder he/she engages in and promotes okay? e.g. Oh look dear -the secret goat sex practitioner has been identified -I am so happy now -sex with goats is now good stuff...

Do you complain about communal gym showers in public high schools? That's even worse and given the ages and maturity levels should not be allowed.

Did I have to shower with the opposite sex? NO. Did I have to shower with homosexuals? NO. Would I? NO...

Did some homosexual possible shower with me and get his thrills -Maybe, why should I care about what I know nothing about?

Why do you think that a mentally disordered and morally devoid individual who remains hidden is any less disordered if identified? Why should I be forced to accept a mentally disordered and morally devoid individual into my "space"? It should remain my choice...

There are only two equitable solutions to DADT: return to no service for homosexuals (not going to happen) or allow open service where everyone knows who is attracted to what and deals with it like reasonable adults. Stop thinking so little of our fighting men and women.

I am not worried about equity for homosexual sex or rise that promote it -it is a sick disorder that is socially and individually destructive... Sending it back to the dark hole it came from and those that promote it back to their closets would suit me just fine...

I do not need to know about the orifice diversity they enjoy and would be quite happy to never hear about it again...

You seem to think homosexual sex is dandy or at best a non issue? Why do wish you promote it as normal or irrelevant rather than destructive?

Homosexual sex perverts will never serve openly in the military...

The progressive leftists time on stage is about up -back the closets they will go...

39 posted on 12/04/2010 12:02:06 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: YankeeReb

Many military leaders are openly stating they’re against it, although some of them are supporting it.

I wonder how effective an all-homo military will work out. I don’t forsee too many people volunteering knowing they’re going to be showering with and sleeping next to homos. Most importantly, being asked to depend on one of them for their life will most likely be too much to ask of a normal, red-blooded American.


40 posted on 12/04/2010 1:26:47 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: Red Steel

Another RINO idiot from the New England.........add Scott the Masshole to the list, as well. =.=


41 posted on 12/04/2010 3:46:09 AM PST by cranked
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To: central_va; Deb

Deb, glad to see you didn’t reply to central_va. He will never stop.

Really, central_va, what is it with your CONSTANT use of insults? You’ve personally attacked me on threads as if your own opinions are the only ones that matter - even though our opinions aren’t that much different, and I’ve now seen you do it to others twice on this thread. Guess what? Your attacks on fellow FReepers doesn’t help anyone and it lessens the impact of the message you’re trying to get across.


42 posted on 12/04/2010 5:24:34 AM PST by imfleck
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To: imfleck

Well on a public forum if you act stupidly, then you get flamed. That is the rules. Fire back, I’m a big boy. Flame on McDuff.


43 posted on 12/04/2010 5:28:14 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: imfleck

That is the rules= Those are the rules. I haven’t finished my coffee. Posting uncaffeinated is dangerous.


44 posted on 12/04/2010 5:30:00 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DBeers

Where are the surveys for Americans to say if DADT should be repealed and we need to find out what will replace it.

Should Free Republic take up the fight for the men and women who are fighting for us?


45 posted on 12/04/2010 5:41:31 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: YankeeReb
If I were a senate Republican I'd say screw this unless you can show me where military readiness would be enhanced.

But that would require some cojonnes...something that the Republicans still have to prove they have!

46 posted on 12/04/2010 6:31:18 AM PST by LUV W (Atlas has shrugged)
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To: Red Steel
"Centrist Susan Collins......."

These programmed reporters NEVER give up, do they!

Leni

47 posted on 12/04/2010 6:32:24 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: newzjunkey

I see FR’s resident homolover has popped up to sicken the thread. Fortunately most here see it quite celarly - Anyone for open faggotry in the military is a traitor to the US military. May they rot in hell.


48 posted on 12/04/2010 7:09:40 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Cheerio

I do not understand why the Repubs continue referring to extending tax rates that have been in effect for a decade as the “Bush Tax Cuts”. If anything, they should be referring to the tax rates not being extended as the “Obama Tax Hike”.


49 posted on 12/04/2010 8:03:13 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Obad. 1:15: As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.)
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To: Red Steel; xzins

If we wanted to end all this “don’t ask, don’t tell” nonsense, all we would need to do is re-institute the draft and make a law that states that at least 25% of the enlisted ranks must be comprised of non-volunteer draftees. Then you would see the Homosexual lobby crying for a return to the law that categorically prohibits homosexuals from being members of the Armed Services.


50 posted on 12/04/2010 8:08:12 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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