Skip to comments.Panel: Graf should get general discharge
Posted on 12/03/2010 2:16:54 PM PST by pabianice
After she is discharged and drawing her pension, I expect she will not need to be asked in order to tell.
It’s odd to see a Navy uniform with that many strips on the sleeves but so few medals on the chest.
I think he used to pitch for the Dodgers.
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Interesting observation, especially since they seem to be given out like candy lately.
I can’t imagine where she served during her career that would generate so few ribbons. I got three rows of ribbons with one deployment. Throw in the freebies and attaboys and her rather masculine chest should be covered.
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It is interesting to note that her elder sister is a Rear Admiral
That’s a Navy thing. She probably has more awards than that. i was Army, so i don’t know the precise Navy regulation on display of decorations, but i do know that i’ve seen file photos of Admirals who have the same kind of arrangement.
That said, she doesn’t deserve her rank. If a man had committed half of what she had committed, they’d drum him out of the service as an E-1, and he might be facing jail time.
Most Naval Officers only wear their top three ribbons on they’re working uniform. Blues, while considered a working uniform, are traditionally worn with all ribbons. She should have worn all her awards when taking that type of picture.
She is a disgrace to her uniform and the Navy.
I met a few men during my career who could give Graf a run for her money but who kept climbing the ranks because of connections. Sad to say that promoting people far beyond their competency, while rare, isn't new. It isn't limited to men. And it isn't limited to the Navy.
Yes and yes. That appears to be an official command photo, the type that is usually displayed on the Quarterdeck while in port along with the ship's XO and CMC. Every one of these that I've seen are taken with full ribbons. Though I believe officers must also maintain a recent portrait and full body photo in their service record. This might be one of those photos.
I noticed she isn’t wearing the National Defense Ribbon.
Do you get the pension with a ‘general discharge?’
Good conduct medal?
Looks like Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, and Defense Meritorious Service Medal, certainly her top three. Would the citations be online?
Prior to having charges filed against her, I would assume she would have had a good conduct ribbon with a few stars.
Some ships are top heavy.
She certainly isn’t.
I don’t know.
Too tight and loony like MurCOWski who she resembles
She will get a retirement. Had she been dishonorably discharged she might have been denied a pension.
You are correct about her ribbons. I don't think her citations would be on line, accessible to the public.
Thanks. I’m not familiar with what does and doesn’t earn govt/military pensions.
Oh, but remember, we are a “meritocracy” where MERIT is what makes you rise to the top................
Nevermind the blue blood “legacy” admissions, the affirmative action President, the family connections that are key to optimal promotion through the ranks, etc, etc, etc.
Someone getting a dishonorable discharge has done something to REALLY tick off the military, and would most likely not get any benefits. If the person had a general discharge, but had 20 years in, it wouldn't necessarily mean that they would be denied a pension. If they get a general discharge, and don't have 20 years in, and are NOT recommended for re-enlistment, they are screwed, unless a reserve unit is willing to take them in. These days though, that is unlikely.
There are other reasons the military can discharge someone prior to end of enlistment. Medical reasons can be one. "Convenience of the Service" might be another, and it could mean that they no longer need the skills that person has.
That is clearly not all she has, she is only wearing top three in the photo
Service record photos are always in Khaki.
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i don't know Navy Uniform regulations, i was Army. i have seen file photos of Navy Flag officers wearing the same kind of arrangement though. i don't think it's a complete accounting of awards.
You'd have to check with someone with Navy experience to find out what that is all about.
i do know that by the time somebody makes O-6 in any service (Navy Captain, Army Colonel) they at least have a lot of "been there, done that" ribbons.
Remember, Admiral Jeremy Boorda, Clinton's CNA got into a lot of trouble for wearing combat 'V' devices that he didn't earn. He ended up killing himself over the incident.
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