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Ireland: Opinion poll boost for Sinn Fein
Belfast Telegraph ^ | 12/3/2010

Posted on 12/04/2010 3:00:20 AM PST by bruinbirdman

There is growing support for Sinn Fein after the party forced Fianna Fail into fourth place in a national opinion poll, Gerry Adams has said. The Sinn Fein president said momentum is gathering for change ahead of the Government's austerity measures.

Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams P<>

Fianna Fail suffered a bruising after an opinion poll put its support at just 13%. The party is now behind Sinn Fein, at 16%, according to the Red C survey for the Irish Sun.

Support for Fine Gael has fallen by 1% to 32% on a similar Red C poll carried out on November 21.

Labour's popularity has dropped from 27% on the previous poll to 24%. Support for the Greens remains unchanged at 3%.

Mr Adams said: "Following last week's excellent result in Donegal South West, I am confident that there is considerable and growing support for Sinn Fein and that we will continue to build on that."

The party's rally against Tuesday's Budget was due to be held in Dublin on Saturday but has been cancelled because of bad weather.

Mr Adams added: "Sinn Fein believes there is a better and fairer way of tackling the economic crisis and getting back to recovery. This is the message that is being picked up by Sinn Fein representatives in every constituency."

The survey of 1,000 adults was carried out on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday this week, days after Sinn Fein's by-election win in Donegal South West and following the 85 billion euro bailout.

Red C also asked who respondents would like to see as the next Taoiseach, with only 8% backing Brian Cowen. Labour's Eamon Gilmore stands at 41% and Enda Kenny of Fine Gael at 25%.

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ireland; scum

1 posted on 12/04/2010 3:00:22 AM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
There is growing support for Sinn Fein

Why not? If America can elect a pro-terrorism socialist, the Irish should have the same right.

2 posted on 12/04/2010 4:28:45 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: bruinbirdman; BillyBoy; GeronL; fieldmarshaldj

Oh Ireland.

I still don’t know whether I would support Fianna Fail or Fine Gael. They have the same squishy center/center-right polices but are bitter rivals. If they would form a coalition they could keep the left out.

3 posted on 12/04/2010 4:49:07 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

Are these poll results refusing to public opinion in the Republic of Ireland, or Northern Ireland... or both? Sinn Féin is on the ballot in BOTH countries. The article link seems to go to a Belfast paper, but the article talks about a party meeting in Durbin. Confusing stuff, Irish politics.

Gerry Adams is the leader of Sinn Féin... does this guy have citizenship in both Irelands, or what? Which country is his legislative seat in? Who’s the highest ranking Sinn Féin official in the other Ireland then? So many questions.

Just out of curiosity, I looked up the current number of seats in both countries to get an idea how much power they held. Here’s the data:

Northern Ireland - Current distribution of seats

British House of Commons
Democratic Unionist 16?
Sinn Féin 5
Independent 1
Alliance 1

Northern Ireland Assembly
Democratic Unionist 36
Sinn Féin 27
Ulster Unionist 17
Alliance 7
Green (NI) 1
Independents 4

Republic of Ireland - Current distribution of seats

Lower House
Fianna Fáil 70
Fine Gael 51
Labour Party 20
Green Party 6
Sinn Féin 5

Upper House
Fianna Fáil 25
Fine Gael 15
Labour Party 6
Green Party 3
Independents 9

Looks like the Sinn Féin terrorists have a bigger following in Northern Ireland, not surprising really... they’d be more movitated to vote Sinn Féin there than in the Republic of Ireland where they already have independence. Man, that Gerry Adams guy has aged. He must have run the party for like 25 years now.

One time I asked a friend of mine who I went to High School with (she married an Irish guy and now lives in Ireland) what the difference between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael was. She didn’t know either. I’m not even sure what those names mean in English.

Seems both Ireland’s could benefit from an actual conservative party. Northern Ireland has no decent parties, as I pointed before I’d be screwed if I lived there. I’d probably be forced to vote Democratic Unionist if I lived there because they’re the only ones that would govern conservativism, but I’d be voting against my own self-interests because the party is unabashedly pro-UK, pro-protestant, and pro-keeping the worthless monarchy.

Southern Ireland... ugh... a couple of squishy parties, vs. left-wingers (Labour), extreme left-wingers (Greens), and pro-terrorist left-wingers who are embarrassment to the Catholic Church (Sinn Féin)

At the very least, the Catholic church hiarcy is conservative on social issues. I’m amazed there’s no attempt to start a socially conservative Catholic party in Ireland, as is the case in many other European countries with self-identified “Christian” parties. Or even a secular, non-religious based conservative party (though I don’t think it would attract many voters... northern Ireland has the british Conservative Party for that, and they never do well, and southern Ireland is uniformly Catholic so aligning the party with the Catholic electorate would be far more beneficial than a secular party)

4 posted on 12/04/2010 5:25:50 AM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: bruinbirdman

It is important to note that Ireland is almost unique in having no rightist or conservative political parties. Its political spectrum ends at “centrist”.

5 posted on 12/04/2010 6:04:26 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Pollster1

“If America can elect a pro-terrorism socialist, the Irish should have the same right.”

You’ve hit the nail on the head regarding Ireland. Don’t forget it was the Clinton’s who got the Gerrie Adamists to come to heel. They were promised something to wait in the wings...

6 posted on 12/04/2010 7:22:45 AM PST by bronxville
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To: bruinbirdman

As a casual observer into Irish politics it may be usefull to those of US who want to understand what is going on if somebody could please translate these Celtic/Gaelic political party names (Fine Gael, Sinn Fine, Fianna Fail)into their English meanings.As well as briefly describe their various political inclinations; less government conservative, more government socialist, liberal as in libertarian; etc.
Thank You

7 posted on 12/04/2010 7:23:09 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province Let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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" if somebody could please translate these Celtic/Gaelic political party names (Fine Gael, Sinn Fine, Fianna Fail)into their English meanings"

How about the government? Brian Cowen, "Taoiseach"? "Oireachtas", "Seanad Eireann", "Dail Eireann".


8 posted on 12/04/2010 1:04:20 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: BillyBoy

Looks like the Belfast paper is covering the Republic of Ireland election.

Fianna Fáil is “Soldiers (or warriors) of Destiny” Fine Gael is “Family (or tribe) of the Irish”.

Every discussion of their differences I’ve come across say they are the same. FF was historically more to the center-left but moved to the right. The only difference now is FF is always in power (and corrupt) and FG never is (so who know’s how they’d govern). FG can’t win the election outright and never has so they’d depend on their opposition buddies, Labour. Yuck.

FG is aligned with the squishy pro-EU center-right European People’s Party. FF was aligned with Euroskeptic forces until a few years ago when they joined with the pro EU Alliance of Liberals and Democrats in Europe. Which includes both leftwing scrum like the Liberal Democrats of the UK and fiscally conservative classical liberals like the FDP of Germany.

I guess in recent elections I would have voted FF since there was no way FG could govern accept in coalition with Labour. Of course FF is in coalition with the Greens since the small fiscal conservative Progressive Democrat party folded.

In the North it would be a call between the DUP and the more moderate UK Conservative affiliated UUP (ran for Westminster under the label “Ulster Conservatives and Unionists – New Force”, didn’t win any seats).

The DUP leader (and First Minister of the NI Regional Government) lost his seat in Parliament to the Alliance Party (neutral on religion and the national question, close to the Lib Dems on other polices)

There was 1 close race where the unionist parties wisely ran 1 independent Unionist candidate so as not to split the vote. But he “lost” to Sinn Fein by 4 votes. Sinn Fein doesn’t take their seats so they’re MPs are payed to do nothing I guess.

The 1 UUP incumbent left the party when they joined the Tories and easily won her seat (the most unionist and highest income seat in NI) as an Independent, she votes like she’s in Labour, the Mark Kirk of NI? ;d

Muddled and confusing situation on both sides of the border.

9 posted on 12/04/2010 4:49:21 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy
Confusing stuff. I agree the two "Fin" named parties should put aside whatever bad blood is between them and merge their two parties. Their rivalry certainly isn't over an policy issues. I wonder why the party names are in gaelic when most Irish doesn't even use the language? Must be a national pride thing.

The current numbers for Sinn Féin are pretty poor in the Republic of Ireland (Northern Ireland is another story), so there's really no place to go but up, IMO. In the lower house they're in 5th place behind the Greens, in the upper house they don't have any members. So I wouldn't view them as much of a threat. It's like how the UK Independence Party focuses on anti-EU agenda constantly, and Sinn Féin focuses all their energy on an Irish Independence agenda. But since southern Ireland is already independent, why would anyone be motivated to vote for them? If Irish voters want looney socialists, they have a variety of other parties to pick from besides Sinn Féin.

I have some Irish ancestry on both sides of my family, but today's Ireland is so far removed from the potato famine days that I doubt there would be much connection to the island with today's Irish-Americans. Funny, since Cook County has such a heavy Irish-american population that irish names on the ballot always win.

The weird co-alition between the Conservative Party and the Irish unionists seems a little bit like we have here in the USA with the Puetro Rican statehood party (PNP) aligning themselves with Republicans nationally, even though in the mainland, you'd probably far more Democrat voters than Republican voters would support statehood for the island. Rather ironic.

10 posted on 12/04/2010 6:22:11 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GeronL

” I wonder why the party names are in gaelic when most Irish doesn’t even use the language? Must be a national pride thing.”

Yeah, FF is all about national pride. FG is less concerned with that but their party name dates back to their civil war era founding. Their translated names would be stupid in English. They sound like militia groups rather than political parties.

They call their Parliament and Prime Minister by their Irish names as well.

I have some Irish blood too, (Grandma’s maiden name, Flynn).

Thing about the UUP is that while it’s officially center-right it must attract the support of left of center Unionists. They surely wouldn’t support the more conservative DUP. There is a “Progressive Unionist Party” but they are a tiny non-factor.

The UUP and Tories were joined together in the past as well, (the Tories themselves haven’t run alone in NI since the 1880s it looks like, Labour and the Liberals/Lib Dems possibly have never run there). The Tories have always been stridently unionist (but they are said to not understand NI politics, Cameron once wore his favorite green tie to a unionist event). In Scotland they are called the Conservative and Unionist Party.

With the rise of the SNP this position might actually hurt the Tories in Scotland with some voters. The SNP is lunatic socialist but a good # of their voters are right of center and voted Tory in the past. They are actually a merger between 2 parties, the “National Party of Scotland” (pinko) and “The Scottish Party” which was formed by Tories who supported having a Scottish Parliament (but not independence).

It’s way against the Tories interest to want to keep Scotland in the UK but Cameron does.

11 posted on 12/06/2010 7:41:56 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

Apparently my distant cousin (2nd/3rd ?) still runs the Scottish Conservative Party, she is considered the Scottish version of Margaret Thatcher.

12 posted on 12/06/2010 8:06:19 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It sounds like she gets high marks as leader. I hope the Scottish Tories have a future, she could be an impressive figure.

13 posted on 12/08/2010 3:39:19 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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