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Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory (LA Times)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 12/4/2010 | Jerry Hirsch

Posted on 12/05/2010 1:52:45 AM PST by GraceG

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What, there are people who can turn their head back to see out the back window? I guess we are all too dumb to backup safely so they have to mandate another thing for us to pay for? I'll be the lobbyists for the aftermarket car back up cameras are going to be all over this, especially if they are made by G.E.
1 posted on 12/05/2010 1:52:51 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Passed in the Wisconsin lame duck senate


2 posted on 12/05/2010 2:30:00 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province Let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: GraceG

I basically agree with you, but I had an accident even by carefully backing up. I was leaving a parking lot which had a relatively steep incline and as I started to pull out I had to back up from rapidly approaching traffic. I looked in my rearview mirrror and well as my sideview mirror and saw nothing. I starting backing up and heard I scraping noise and then a horn. I stopped, got out and saw that I had backed up over the hood of a low sports car. The driver started shouting and I told him to get into my car and look into my mirrors. Having not seen his car in either of the mirrors he reluctantly agreed that if anyone was at fault it was him for being too close to my car.


3 posted on 12/05/2010 2:31:14 AM PST by monocle
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To: monocle

I would like tp have this “option” on my next new car. There is no shortage of idiots that will pull out/walk behind a backing up car.


4 posted on 12/05/2010 2:54:25 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: GraceG
OK so how soon till Mandatory recording and a transmission device upon impact for camera download. If someone wants this option fine. To require it? NO!!! and Double No!!! It is simply a foot in the door for yet another BIG BROTHER Camera in our face and monitoring yet another part of our lives. No thanks!
5 posted on 12/05/2010 3:05:01 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: GraceG
I hate to put a wet blanket on the next liberal feel good program but I have a backup camera and it's pretty much useless.....but since it's for the children.....
6 posted on 12/05/2010 3:09:22 AM PST by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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To: GraceG

So, which Congressman has a friend who has cornered the market on back-up cameras. That guy is gonna be very rich!


7 posted on 12/05/2010 3:18:07 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
I have always said the best way to sell your product is to get the government to mandate it.
8 posted on 12/05/2010 3:23:13 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: BigCinBigD
Maybe it's me but it seems like more and more pedestrians are challenging cars on non-crosswalk areas these days, I would go for mandatory cow-catchers on the front of all cars.
9 posted on 12/05/2010 3:26:57 AM PST by this_ol_patriot (I work so those on welfare don't have to.)
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To: Recon Dad

Same here. Sensory overload if you ask me. Look over my left shoulder, look over my right shoulder, look in the rear view mirror, look at my right exterior mirror, look at my left exterior mirror, look at the backup camera screen... Arggggh! I actually feel less safe; by the time I’ve checked all those sources of info, the Macy’s day parade could’ve passed by behind me.


10 posted on 12/05/2010 3:29:58 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: riverrunner
I have always said the best way to sell your product is to get the government to mandate it.

Which is exactly what the insurance companies have done now for decades. They own our congress. None will dare call their insurer Tyrants. About 75% or more of the laws written in the past 50 years have been done so to do loss prevention for insurers or give them elevated status like the HMO Act. They have the most lawyers as well. Corporate lawyers who go through all claims especially things like life insurance claims from widows on husbands trying to find even the most trivial detail to try and deny a claim on yet they took the persons money for premiums.

IMO most {not all} Lawyers and Insurance Corps are the two most corrupt and dishonest operators in the private sector. Both have some sort of notion that their profession entitles them to lie and cheat..

11 posted on 12/05/2010 3:34:11 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: LibWhacker
Depth perception is horrible on these cameras. Just try and use it to park.
12 posted on 12/05/2010 3:35:54 AM PST by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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To: GraceG

Sorry guys; I don’t think this is a liberal “feel good” program at all, but is actually an excellent feature to have. Once you use this thing for a few weeks, you rely on it heavily and will not want a car without one.

I don’t know how other mfrs. sell the camera, but Ford combines it into something called a “Driver’s Vision Package”, so an alarm goes off, as well, if something is nearby when the driver is backing up the car.

People in our society today are increasingly clueless and distracted (by I-pods, etc.) so this type of technology is a good counter to that. True, safe drivers shouldn’t have to purchase something because dolts are not paying attention, but I’m sure we’d all feel horrible if we hit someone, their fault or not.

Bottom line, this system is excellent.


13 posted on 12/05/2010 3:37:20 AM PST by Joann37
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To: LibWhacker
Same here. Sensory overload if you ask me. Look over my left shoulder, look over my right shoulder, look in the rear view mirror, look at my right exterior mirror, look at my left exterior mirror, look at the backup camera screen... Arggggh! I actually feel less safe; by the time I’ve checked all those sources of info, the Macy’s day parade could’ve passed by behind me.

I drive a rear blind vehicle a full size conversion van. When I back up I do two things. I put on my back up lights then look as good as I can in the mirrors and turning my head. I give a couple short taps on the horn and back on out slowly. In 30 years of driving mostly conversion vans I have not had any problems. Generally though I'd rather back in and pull out if at all possible. Backing in you have a fresh look before backing up.

14 posted on 12/05/2010 3:39:16 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: this_ol_patriot
I live Three miles from work and every night I dodge at least Five morons walking in the road. Cant back up at the mall or Wal*Mart without someone walking behind my car. It's like they think that big Black Mercury wont dare hit me! Idiots...
15 posted on 12/05/2010 3:40:35 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Joann37

So, I should be forced to have it? I mean whats next?


16 posted on 12/05/2010 3:53:42 AM PST by waxer1 ("The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: GraceG

The reason given is safety.

The real reason is control.

Know thy Progressives.


17 posted on 12/05/2010 4:04:18 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Joann37

So what. You like it, you pay for it. I don’t want it. Never had a back up accident. Don’t want your socialist enforced purchase. GTH.


18 posted on 12/05/2010 4:20:25 AM PST by american_ranger
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To: GraceG

I think they see things below the bumper or rear window view. Still, I suspect that these gizmos will have no “statistically significant” effect on automobile backing accidents. If fact, I would not be surprised if they actually increase. People will compensate by becoming even more careless. There are good studies that indicate air bags definitely do not save lives: people with air bags tend to drive more recklessly. It sounds like a waste of money driven by people who want to sell back up cameras.

DoT approved parking system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Mx17WMoZQ&NR=1

Libertarian parking system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVaFbkg9jRs


19 posted on 12/05/2010 4:21:08 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Remember when you could order a car with any of 7 motor transmission choices. The windows cranked down and you had rubber mats on the floor. When you opened the hood you couls see the ground beneath and all of the spark plugs?

Today you can get you choice of colors.

Todays cars are so loaded up with crap and garbage that they cost a ton of money.

Heated seats, tv on the back of the seats, electric mirrors.

Take me back to the old basic automobile.One that I can afford.


20 posted on 12/05/2010 4:27:22 AM PST by Venturer
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To: GraceG

I just bought a new SUV and as someone who hitches up to tow a trailer daily I’d like to keep my bumper unscratched.

A backup camera is top on my Christmas wishlist this year.


21 posted on 12/05/2010 4:28:24 AM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: diverteach

I might bend my libertarian sense a bit if I was required to have a “LIB/Moonbat” indicator in my car.


22 posted on 12/05/2010 4:34:44 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: GraceG

With all the televised car chases in LA being a source of entertainment for the entire country—rear view cameras will help the fleeing felons see and avoid those little bumper “bumps” the cops use to end the pursuit—thus prolonging all the fun!


23 posted on 12/05/2010 4:41:43 AM PST by Happy Rain
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To: GraceG

Maybe if the lame ducks hurry, they can pass this law along with the mandatory GPS-Taxometer...


24 posted on 12/05/2010 4:47:12 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: GraceG
What, there are people who can turn their head back to see out the back window?

Have you driven some of the new cars the last few years? The bottom of the rear window is so high, you can't see anything but the sky. The designers are idiots.

25 posted on 12/05/2010 4:47:25 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: Recon Dad

but since it’s for the children.....
Agree wonder who will be the first creep that installs a zoom lens.


26 posted on 12/05/2010 4:51:10 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

“So, which Congressman has a friend who has cornered the market on back-up cameras. That guy is gonna be very rich!”

DING DING DING! The Winner!


27 posted on 12/05/2010 4:53:59 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: GraceG
Instead of this waste of money being added to a new car how about each state just passing a law that says:
STOO-PID people cannot drive.
Problem solved. (not that there's a problem to begin with)
28 posted on 12/05/2010 4:58:21 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: GraceG

Just remove reverse gear from all cars. Problem solved. Also, for safety, make all left turns illegal.


29 posted on 12/05/2010 5:01:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: GraceG

I don’t see that rear backup cameras are a threat to our liberties or a problem of any kind. Often times people in higher vehicles, no matter how much they turn and look, simply won’t be able to see something right behind them. Usually you’re not going very fast when you’re backing up...but it can still be lethal.

I know someone who ran over and killed her own small child in a church parking lot (the child had gotten away from an older sibling) and someone else who ran over but fortunately did not kill a tiny elderly lady who was walking right behind her vehicle in a store parking lot. Both of them were very safe drivers and were going slowly, but they were driving vans or higher vehicles and the simple fact is that there is a blind spot behind these vehicles that could be helped by having a camera.

I’m all in favor of using automation for safer driving. I noticed now there are a few big commercial trucks that seem to have a warning system (probably in conjunction with a camera) to watch the passing lanes so that they don’t pull into a lane when a smaller vehicle is coming up along side. An excellent thing, IMHO.


30 posted on 12/05/2010 5:02:09 AM PST by livius
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To: GraceG

Next will be Radar and cars that have no reverse gear.


31 posted on 12/05/2010 5:09:44 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: american_ranger

Never had a back up accident.

I have but it was not due to the lack of a camera it was due to the lack of thinking on my part.

I have a camera on my present car and rarely look at it or when I do does it give me a useful view.


32 posted on 12/05/2010 5:10:03 AM PST by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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To: cva66snipe

‘Managed’ Health Care is morphing in to the Communist “Managed Life’ system. That was the original intent of HMO’S.


33 posted on 12/05/2010 5:12:14 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: GraceG

it’s not the unsafe backin of the car it’s the CAR itself..
automobiles kill kill kill and they must go the way of medical research.....the best thing is the horse and buggy..just name me one fool who’s been killed by the careless backin up of the buggy.....case closed..


34 posted on 12/05/2010 5:13:55 AM PST by flat
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Where does it end? Seriously, where does it end? Airbags, back-up cameras, ABS brakes, radar, sonar, force-fields, speed governors... let’s make them all mandatory. After all, it’s all about saving lives. No wonder new cars start at $20,000. Pretty soon, only the upper-middle class will be able to afford a new car.

I have a backup camera in my car. I do not find it useful. I do not use it. I use my mirrors, or I actually turn around to watch where I’m going when I back up. I have never had a backing accident. If others have had backing problems, then feel free to buy a car with a backup camera, but don’t make me pay for one.

The government has no business mandating this type of equipment. I suspect the link between backup cameras and accident reduction is very tenuous, if exists at all. Furthermore, even if backup cameras do reduce accidents, it doesn’t change the fact that the government has NO business mandating this equipment! If you want a backup camera, then pay extra and buy a car that has one. I should be able to pay less and buy a car that doesn’t have one.


35 posted on 12/05/2010 5:18:13 AM PST by Big E
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To: GraceG

It’s amazing that we’ve been able to survive at all and that every kid in the US hasn’t been backed over by Mom or Dad. Good the government is here to stop the millions of children getting run down in driveways....


36 posted on 12/05/2010 5:24:13 AM PST by The Toad
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To: RoadTest

You nailed it.


37 posted on 12/05/2010 5:24:25 AM PST by abovethefray
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To: GraceG
The federal government wants automakers to install back-up cameras in all new vehicles starting in late 2014.

Fine.

As soon as Mr. LaHood explains which of the eighteen enumerated powers in the Constitution gives the government this authority.

38 posted on 12/05/2010 5:27:03 AM PST by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: monocle

I pick up my g/daughter every Thursday night 8:00P.M. from Girl Scouts. Small, poorly lit parking lot, I’m driving a Trail Blazer and while backing up I’m scared to death I’m going to hit a small child that I can’t see by turning my head to look and looking in both mirrors. Little kids are quick and could dart behind me easily, plus the fact that not all parents are that observant of where their kids are.

This past Thursday night there was a woman walking by my car as I was ready to leave, I rolled down my window and asked her if it was clear behind me. She said it was and that’s the best I’ve felt yet about leaving that lot.

There are usually about 20 or so cars there but everyone leaves close to the same time. I think I will ask the G.S. leader if she needs a volunteer to watch outside as kids are leaving but with that many cars it probably would take more than one volunteer.


39 posted on 12/05/2010 5:27:14 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Recon Dad
Depth perception is horrible on these cameras. Just try and use it to park.

Similar to, "Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear"?

40 posted on 12/05/2010 5:29:42 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: GraceG

People sometimes back up without looking in their mirrors. They will ignore the cameras also.


41 posted on 12/05/2010 5:31:24 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
There are good studies that indicate air bags definitely do not save lives: people with air bags tend to drive more recklessly.

I drive through a heavily wooded area frequently, posted speed limit 35 mph. Cars rarely do 35 or more. I drive about 25. Deer are very thick there and sure I have insurance but don't relish the thought of getting smacked in the face by an air bag.

42 posted on 12/05/2010 5:35:58 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: GraceG

The federal government is ensuring that no one with an average income will ever purchase a new car.


43 posted on 12/05/2010 5:36:37 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: RoadTest

IMHO, unfortunately the issue isn’t control.

IMHO, the issue is much more foul. Our society has fallen for the panacea of regulation en lieu of responsible behavior.

I have no problem with a manufacturer offering rear-view cameras. I have no problem with insurance companies offering lower insurance rates for vehicles with those devices. The statistics might very well justify such lower rates.

Where I have a problem is when our legislation and regulatory rule makers decide our behavior is illegitimate any time they entertain a seemingly good idea.

They decrease our freedom with every such regulation.

They appeal to a ‘higher standard’ or an improved ‘quality of life’, but ignore the less costly responsible behavior of the just who act freely without harming their fellow man.

Our cost of living today is astronomical, primarily due to excessive regulation.


44 posted on 12/05/2010 5:43:35 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Joann37
Once you use this thing for a few weeks, you rely on it heavily and will not want a car without one.

DITTO with built in seat heaters.

45 posted on 12/05/2010 5:43:36 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: riverrunner

This lahood is truly nuts.


46 posted on 12/05/2010 5:43:47 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: GraceG

Stupid. Most drivers will just look at the screen and not turn their empty heads. Then when the first kid is killed, greedy lawyers will post ads to sue the manufacturers of the video systems.


47 posted on 12/05/2010 5:45:54 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: Big E
If others have had backing problems, then feel free to buy a car with a backup camera, but don’t make me pay for one.

In 43 years of driving, I've had three backing up collisions. In looking back at the cause, I don't feel a back up camera would have helped in any of those cases

In each case I was confident the coast was clear and didn't look where I should have been looking.

Which means that I probably would not have been looking at the monitor either.

48 posted on 12/05/2010 5:51:03 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: livius
I know someone who ran over and killed her own small child in a church parking lot (the child had gotten away from an older sibling) and someone else who ran over but fortunately did not kill a tiny elderly lady who was walking right behind her vehicle in a store parking lot. Both of them were very safe drivers

Sorry, once you have run someone over and killed them, you've lost your "safe driver" appellation.

49 posted on 12/05/2010 6:00:01 AM PST by glorgau
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To: cva66snipe
Generally though I'd rather back in...

I have a nice scrape on my rear bumper from an idiot who tried to do just that.

50 posted on 12/05/2010 6:00:09 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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