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Kerry: 'Afghanistan is just not Vietnam'
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Posted on 12/05/2010 9:19:45 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Kerry: 'Afghanistan is just not Vietnam' By J. Taylor Rushing - 12/05/10 11:33 AM ET

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry (D-Mass.) on Sunday gave a firm defense of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan, rejecting any comparison to the Vietnam War in which he served.

Speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press" to host David Gregory, Kerry said the Obama administration has acted correctly in continuing the war in Afghanistan and should be able to withdraw troops as planned in 2014. Gregory had played Kerry a video clip of his 1971 testimony before Congress in which Kerry famously called the Vietnam War "a mistake."

"In my judgement, Afghanistan is just not Vietnam," Kerry said. "We shouldn't have been in Vietnam. It was a surrogate war, it was a cold war. There are any number of reasons it was a gigantic mistake. In Afghanistan, we're there for a purpose. I don't believe the size of the footprint we have doing everything we're doing, as I've said publicly many times, and I don't think the president, in the long run, wants to do that, which is why he has committed to this transition.

"I believe the president and our military are on the right track, which is to turn this over to the Afghans as rapidly as possible in a way that meets their needs to have sufficient stability and capacity to survive, and our needs to prosecute counter-terrorism efforts. I think you can do a lot of counter-terrorism with a smaller footprint and still manage the progress of Afghanistan.

"Can we do it by 2014? Yes, I believe we can, and I think the president is absolutely intent on preventing this from being the mistake that begged the question that I posed in 1971."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; cambodia; christmas1968; conartist; dispicableworm; faxpurplehearts; fraud; hanoistraitor; lurch; terazasgigolo; vietnam
Didn't he visit Vietnam during the Vietnam war or something?
1 posted on 12/05/2010 9:19:49 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry (D-Mass.) on Sunday gave a firm defense of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan, rejecting any comparison to the Vietnam War in which he served.

I think you are right Sub, I recall he was part of a USO show with Jane Fonda at Da Nang or something like that.

2 posted on 12/05/2010 9:22:38 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sub-Driver
There are any number of reasons it was a gigantic mistake.
The pot calling the kettle black.
3 posted on 12/05/2010 9:22:47 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Sub-Driver

Spent Christmas in Cambodia just across the river ... it was burned into his mind he says ....


4 posted on 12/05/2010 9:24:21 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: Sub-Driver

In this video, he says it is like Viet Nam. Flip flop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lWcQH_VYYs


5 posted on 12/05/2010 9:24:43 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Sub-Driver

Jon “Halp me” kerry: Useful tool of America’s enemies then and now.


6 posted on 12/05/2010 9:25:20 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes he did although he has spent more time in Afghanistan while visiting troops during Easter and Christmas.


7 posted on 12/05/2010 9:29:59 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Sub-Driver
It isn't Vietnam from his perspective because a rabid socialist is President now. Regardless, Afghanistan is the Viet Nam of this century.

It is so because our soldiers can't shoot back, can't interrogate prisoners properly, and we can't nuke every valley and hill top in that God forsaken country.

8 posted on 12/05/2010 9:29:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Probably took his 16mm movie camera and ‘boonie’ dress to recreate his combat action there.


9 posted on 12/05/2010 9:31:11 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, and shot a kid in the back.


10 posted on 12/05/2010 9:32:39 AM PST by RC2
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To: Sub-Driver

Did any Communist vice president in Viet Nam disappear with over $40 million US dollars????

Karzai’s did.


11 posted on 12/05/2010 9:33:15 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ReverendJames
Seared, it was seared into his mind.

Right next to Jengis Khan.

12 posted on 12/05/2010 9:33:44 AM PST by skimbell
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To: Brilliant

It was like it, before it was not like it.


13 posted on 12/05/2010 9:33:47 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sub-Driver

yes his code name was “LT. NEEDERMEYER”


14 posted on 12/05/2010 9:35:01 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: skimbell

Right - seared into his mind. I also read about his river adventure - how he took off and left some guys in the water.


15 posted on 12/05/2010 9:45:20 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: EGPWS

Correction! I believe it was the show Lurch and Jane Fonda put on at the Hanoi Hilton!


16 posted on 12/05/2010 9:46:43 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
The most important weakness we had in Viet Nam was our Cold war fear of the USSR. That kept us from mining Haiphong and a full blockade of war material. The war would have been over by 1967, no Tet, no Cambodia but we would still be garrisoning S Viet Nam ala S Korea.

Our biggest weakness in Afghanistan is the safe haven in Pakistan with open cooperation between the Haqqani's and Pakistan Army. The enemy in Afghanistan could be defeated in one year by crop dusting Roundup Herbacide on all the poppies and arresting Karzai and his corrupt entourage and replacing it with a NATO administration.

17 posted on 12/05/2010 9:47:42 AM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-2, Go Cowboys!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yea did’nt he award himself a medal, for getting a scratch, as a war hero?


18 posted on 12/05/2010 9:48:41 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: gandalftb
True, Viet Nam is not Afghanistan, but the bitter results will be the same if our warfighting leadership, Obama and Congress, does not do its duty and fight the enemy where the enemy is, and destroy the enemies hiding places and logistical support.

If we can't do that, pull back to garrisons, do raids and UAV strikes, bribe everyone for information and minimize our own losses.

19 posted on 12/05/2010 9:51:38 AM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-2, Go Cowboys!)
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To: Sub-Driver

He still has the hat.


20 posted on 12/05/2010 9:52:00 AM PST by BuffaloJack (The Recession is officially over. We are now into Obama's Depression.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Kerry Lied

Millions Died

21 posted on 12/05/2010 9:55:22 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 683 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Sub-Driver

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1061806/posts

Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new Democrat leader.

Denouncing America with ‘Hanoi’ Jane: Although Wesley Clark and others have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as.
He became a celebrated organizer for one of America’s most extreme appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the likes of “Hanoi” Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson’s radical former attorney general.

He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971. Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson’s about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.

Dubbed “The Winter Soldier Investigation,” the protest attracted minimal media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less “authentic” Washington, D.C.

Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most confrontational protests of the war.

Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000 Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on Washington’s Mall for what they called “a limited incursion into the country of Congress.”

The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued an injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.


22 posted on 12/05/2010 9:56:59 AM PST by PLD
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To: Gaffer

He was there just long enough to get some good footage walking through the bushes with an M-16 then stub his toe and get his purple heart.


23 posted on 12/05/2010 9:57:05 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2
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To: Sub-Driver
Didn't he visit Vietnam during the Vietnam war or something?

Yes, I think he shot himself in the foot or something..Too bad he didn't shoot himself in the head!
24 posted on 12/05/2010 9:57:28 AM PST by vigilante2 (Reelect Nobody)
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To: Sub-Driver

A COMMUNIST’s statements, judgements, and actions are always driven by the accumulation of POWER. Criticising Bush was intended increase RATS’ power; supporting Obama is intended to increase (or at least retain)their power.

They then use that power to implement the socialist utpopia. There is no inconsistency here at all. We conservatives must understand the mentality, goals, and tactics of the enemy.


25 posted on 12/05/2010 9:59:24 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Sub-Driver
Obama administration has acted correctly in continuing the war in Afghanistan and should be able to withdraw troops as planned in 2014.

2014? I thought in his big deal "Surge" speech Obama said it was 2012. When did this change?

26 posted on 12/05/2010 10:02:46 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Who better to comment than one who was there and served with honor (didn’t he win a door prize or something?)? /sarc


27 posted on 12/05/2010 10:08:45 AM PST by llevrok (Born a ham but never cured)
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To: Sub-Driver

The new talking point. Heard that from another genius this morning while channel surfing.

Was it Eleanor Clift???????? Just can’t remember but it’s out there.


28 posted on 12/05/2010 10:10:36 AM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
MR. RUSSERT: Now, the New York Daily News editorial wrote an editorial, and it said this. “As for Kerry, he might ask why the Swifties’ attacks have been effective. The answer is his propensity to exaggerate. ... It's looking more likely that he exaggerated, if not worse, when he claimed through the years that he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve ‘68. He said the memory was `seared’ into him, but it's now clear Kerry was elsewhere, at least at that time. He has yet to explain. Until he does, the Swifties will have a powerful weapon in their arsenal.”

And they refer, Senator, to a speech on the floor in which you said that you were there, that the president of the United States was saying you were not there, that there were troops in Cambodia. You have the memory seared in you. In a letter to the Boston Herald, you remember spending Christmas Eve ‘68 five miles across the Cambodian border. You told The Washington Post you have a lucky hat given to you by a CIA guy “as we went in for a special mission to Cambodia.” Were you in Cambodia Christmas Eve, 1968?

SEN. KERRY: We were right on the border, Tim. What I explained to people and I told this any number of times, did I go into Cambodia on a mission? Yes, I did go into Cambodia on a mission. Was it on that night? No, it was not on that night. But we were right on the Cambodian border that night. We were ambushed there, as a matter of fact. And that is a matter of record, and we went into the rec— you know, it's part of the Navy records. It's been documented by the other guys who were on my boat. And Steve Gardner, frankly, doesn't know where we were. It wasn't his job, and, you know, he wasn't involved in that. But we did go five miles into Cambodia. It was on another day. I jumbled the two together, but we were five miles into Cambodia. We went up on a mission with CIA agents—I believe they were CIA agents—CIA Special Ops guys. I even have some photographs of it, and I can document it. And it has been documented.

MR. RUSSERT: You'll release those photographs?

SEN. KERRY: I think they were shown. I gave them to the campaign, but...

MR. RUSSERT: And you have a hat that the CIA agent gave you?

SEN. KERRY: I still have the hat that he gave me, and I hope the guy would come out of the woodwork and say, “I'm the guy who went up with John Kerry. We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia.” We went out of Ha Tien, which is right in Vietnam. We went north up into the border. And I have some photographs of that, and that's what we did. So, you know, the two were jumbled together, but we were on the Cambodian border on Christmas Eve, absolutely.

MR. RUSSERT: Nixon was president-elect, not president, at that particular time. He wasn't sworn in until...
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SEN. KERRY: In 1968, he wasn't sworn in yet.

MR. RUSSERT: But he was president-elect, not president.

SEN. KERRY: That's correct.

MR. RUSSERT: Many people who've been criticizing you have said: Senator, if you would just do one thing and that is sign Form 180, which would allow historians and journalists complete access to all your military records. Thus far, you have gotten the records, released them through your campaign. They say you should not be the filter. Sign Form 180 and let the historians...

SEN. KERRY: I'd be happy to put the records out. We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren't even relevant to the record. So when we get—I'm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn't in the record and we'll put it out. I have no problem with that.

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: But everything, Tim...

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will. But everything that we put in it, Tim—everything we put in—I mean, everything that was out was a full documentation of all of the medical records, all of the fitness reports. And I'd call on those who have challenged me, let's see their records. I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasn't been appropriate...

MR. RUSSERT: So they should sign Form 180s for themselves as well?

SEN. KERRY: You bet. . .

[Transcript for Jan. 30, 2005—MEET THE PRESS]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6886726/ns/meet_the_press/

29 posted on 12/05/2010 10:38:42 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Kerry´s supposed to wear the CIA hat that agent gave him in Cambodia before he can unwind with his whoppers.


30 posted on 12/05/2010 10:45:30 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Sub-Driver; All
Well, apparebtly not everyone disagrees with "Bush's war."


31 posted on 12/05/2010 11:20:39 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

Link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2637720/posts?page=20#20


32 posted on 12/05/2010 11:33:49 AM PST by Matchett-PI ( Sarah Palin / Marco Rubio - a "can't lose" ticket for 2012..)
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To: ReverendJames

It was “seared’’ into his memory. “Seared I tell ya!! Did I say it was ‘’seared’’ into his memory? :-)


33 posted on 12/05/2010 11:49:06 AM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa

You did say “Seared” didn’t you? As in seared into his memory?I wonder if it’s still seared in his memory? (gotta believe it’s a slow day here). :)


34 posted on 12/05/2010 12:01:21 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: ReverendJames

Yes, I said seared. Seared I tell you! Why it’s the searing-est thing I ever saw seared!!


35 posted on 12/05/2010 2:12:21 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa

Now you’ve gone too far ... just took a steak out of the freezer ....


36 posted on 12/05/2010 2:17:38 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: ReverendJames

Well enjoy my friend. If I may offer a suggestion? Thyme and Lea&Perrins Wochestershire Sauce on steak is mmmm good!


37 posted on 12/05/2010 2:45:16 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa
When I order steak at a restaurant and the 'waitperson' (to be PC) asks if I want steak sauce I say "Why, isn't the steak good enough without hiding it under some sauce?"

Well I crack some peppercorns, and chopped garlic and roll the meat into that. I get the BBQ up to high temp, throw that bad boy on it. Get it seared into my memory and then close the lid. Time it just right and boy does it come out ever so good. Sorry, hope I didn't offend any vigeans out there.

38 posted on 12/05/2010 2:50:14 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only a lawyer and a painter can change black to white)
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To: ReverendJames

Sounds nice, good eatin’!


39 posted on 12/05/2010 3:06:32 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
...on Sunday gave a firm defense of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan, rejecting any comparison to the Vietnam War in which he served...
As if he'd know. Thanks Sub-Driver.


40 posted on 12/06/2010 9:36:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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from the FRchives (etc):

Kerry’s Shifts: Nuanced Ideas or Flip-Flops?
Posted on 03/05/2004 9:23:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
NY Times | March6, 2004 | DAVID M. HALBFINGER
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1091912/posts

1998: Kerry calls for ground troops to topple Saddam; Clinton not tough enough
The Boston Globe | February 23, 1998 | Aaron Zitner, Globe Staff
Posted on 06/20/2004 9:29:57 AM PDT by nwrep
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1156895/posts

Transcript of John Kerry acceptance speech
“You don’t value families if you force them to take up a collection to buy body armor for a son or daughter in the service, if you deny veterans health care, or if you tell middle class families to wait for a tax cut, so that the wealthiest among us can get even more.”
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/04212/354246.stm
[voted against body armor]

Whopper: John Kerry
Stop lying about your record!
By Timothy Noah
Posted Monday, March 15, 2004, at 3:15 PM PT
http://slate.msn.com/id/2097201/

Patriot Games
Posted on 03/01/2004 4:50:02 PM PST by RWR8189
The Weekly Standard | March 7, 2004 | Fred Barnes
Why is John Kerry so defensive about his national security record?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1088673/posts
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Protected/Articles/000/000/003/801oeivl.asp

Kerry Misfires In Economic Blame Game
Thw Washington Post | 06/16/04 | Steven Pearlstein
Posted on 06/16/2004 5:23:06 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1154425/posts

NYT: The Face of Scare Politics
Posted by Mathew Gross
03:34 AM Wednesday, December 17, 2003
http://www.blogforamerica.com/
[regarding anti-Dean ad run by Kerry]

The Trouble With Kerry
Updated Monday, March 1, 2004, at 3:20 PM PT
http://slate.msn.com/id/2096408/


41 posted on 12/06/2010 9:46:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Huh? Kucinich supported the Iraq invasion? Another incisive analysis by a leftist. But anyway... here's the infamous "f--- it up" quote from the Rolling Stone interview with the reprehensible liar, libeler, slanderer, John F---editup Kerry.
Bush Or Kerry?
Look Closely And The Danger Is The Same

by John Pilger
March 04, 2004
New Statesman
All the Democratic presidential candidates supported the invasion of Iraq, bar one: Howard Dean. Kerry not only voted for the invasion, but expressed his disappointment that it had not gone according to plan. He told Rolling Stone magazine: "Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did." Neither Kerry nor any of the other candidates has called for an end to the bloody and illegal occupation; on the contrary, all of them have demanded more troops for Iraq. Kerry has called for another "40,000 active service troops". He has supported Bush's continuing bloody assault on Afghanistan, and the administration's plans to "return Latin America to American leadership" by subverting democracy in Venezuela.

42 posted on 12/06/2010 9:51:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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43 posted on 12/06/2010 9:51:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Sub-Driver
He's just upset because he hasn't got a chance to stab our soldiers in Afghanistan in the back yet like he did Vietnam vets.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

44 posted on 12/06/2010 9:52:01 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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