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McCain: 264,600 may quit military (DADT repeal)
Worldnetdaily ^ | 12/03/10 | Brian Fitzpatric

Posted on 12/05/2010 1:22:28 PM PST by Thunder90

WASHINGTON – As the commanders of the Army, Air Force and Marines cautioned the U.S. Senate against abruptly repealing the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, critics are also warning that accepting open homosexuality and pro-homosexual "reprogramming" could drive massive numbers of troops out of the service.

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Obama is on record in saying that he wanted to cut the military in half. This could be one of his mechanisms for doing so. He and Barney Frank also want to cut the defense budget by 1/2 to 2/3.
1 posted on 12/05/2010 1:22:34 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
When Obama called for a civilian force equally as powerful as the military, and equally funded little did we know he meant to achieve it by destroying the military...although I'm sure most of us suspected he had that as a desire.
2 posted on 12/05/2010 1:24:37 PM PST by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: Thunder90

I’ll keep my opinions on DADT private, but we all must remember that of McKennedy says it, it’s probably derived from stupidity.

The man is an ass, pure an simple.

This is as opposed to Obama, who is an impure simple ass.


3 posted on 12/05/2010 1:25:50 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Thunder90

Once again we have to bow down to a couple percent, this time it is the filthy perverts of our society. When is this crap going to end?


4 posted on 12/05/2010 1:26:16 PM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Cheetahcat

The gays will take over the military and other nations will laugh at us. Maybe not the Greeks given their history but the Belgians and others will.


5 posted on 12/05/2010 1:28:58 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: Thunder90

I am out in February.


6 posted on 12/05/2010 1:29:50 PM PST by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.")
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To: Thunder90
Sure, and after all of this political B.S. infiltrating the military, when all the good soldiers quit after getting fed up with the social engineering going on, when we need the military to protect our borders directly when all hell breaks loose, we will need a draft to get the good people back.

Nothing like a nice tyrannical draft just because of some elitist politicians who want to socially engineer our military.

7 posted on 12/05/2010 1:31:06 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Thunder90

****critics are also warning that accepting open homosexuality and pro-homosexual “reprogramming” could drive massive numbers of troops out of the service.*****

What would General GEORGE WASHINGTON do about this problem?

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw110081))

At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778) Lieutt. Enslin28 of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false Accounts, found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismiss’d the service with Infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief (George Washington)approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the Army never to return; The Drummers and Fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.


8 posted on 12/05/2010 1:31:27 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Thunder90
I can't believe any sane individual can think that allowing openly homosexual people into the armed forces will somehow have little-to-no negative impact and that a majority of service members are positive about the repeal of the 'Don't- Ask-Don't-Tell' rule. This is clearly a liberal ploy intended to weaken and decimate the U.S. military while throwing the homosexual lobby a big, juicy bone. This attempt at repealing DADT must fail or America will rue the day we allowed our politicians to do this to the one thing that separates us from chaos - the U.S. military.
9 posted on 12/05/2010 1:32:26 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Thunder90
Then they don't even mention the problem that will kill off the rest of the corps, discipline.

The strict discipline of the military will not go over well with the gays, who are already programmed to yell 'foul' if you look at them wrong.

It will be a problem, and seasoned trainers and instructors will finally hang up their boots in disgust and get out of the service.

Just as obama was going to be the "post racial president", this scheme will backfire because those numbers the pro-repealers are as bogus as obamacare.

Repealing the law will open Pandora's box for another social organization - which is all the military will be after that happens.

After it's shown that this will not work, and the world is threatening us even more, and Private Bruce wants to hit them with his purse, it will be nearly impossible to ever again build up the superior fighting force we have now.

America the Beautiful, brought down by a gaggle of girlie men.
10 posted on 12/05/2010 1:40:55 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Your link yields a search error message. Do you think that perhaps others have attempted to access this information and a decision has been made that access should be denied?


11 posted on 12/05/2010 1:43:37 PM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: Thunder90

Decimating the military is the whole idea here. I don’t think Obama wants that, I actually think he has seen the light and listens to the generals. He didn’t run from ‘Stan or Iraq, has bumped up the tempo of UAV strikes and sent 30,000 troops to ‘Stan. Yes, it should have been 60,000, but politics shaved the extra 30k. He saw the light on
Gitmo too.

It’s the left in general that is pushing this, and they want to destroy the military so we can’t fight any more wars.

I think they should let the gays in. Make them announce that they are gay. Then the gay men bunk and shower with the women and the gay women shower and bunk with the men. Let’s see how the gays like that.


12 posted on 12/05/2010 1:44:11 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: Jim Scott
This attempt at repealing DADT must fail or America will rue the day we allowed our politicians to do this to the one thing that separates us from chaos - the U.S. military.

Yes, it must fail because a repeal will be irreversible, short some absolute miracle. We actually need to reinstate the flat out repeal of all homosexuals and others with sexual perversions, as the policy before DADT had been for eons.

13 posted on 12/05/2010 1:44:18 PM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Thunder90

McCain: 264,600 may quit military (DADT repeal)

Replaced by 264,600 homosexuals. How gay is that?


14 posted on 12/05/2010 1:45:42 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: BiggieLittle

The Belgians have had gays in their military for years as have most Western European countries. The last thing one should care about is how Western European militaries view the US military. Their donut dolly militaries are in no position to judge.


15 posted on 12/05/2010 1:46:37 PM PST by chuckee
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To: Thunder90

I bet more then 264,000 quit the GOP when McCrap became the nominee


16 posted on 12/05/2010 1:47:01 PM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: fwdude

I meant, “reinstate the flat out banning of all homosexuals”


17 posted on 12/05/2010 1:47:40 PM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: chuckee
The Belgians have had gays in their military for years as have most Western European countries.

They have that luxury because we are still the primary defenders of Europe.

18 posted on 12/05/2010 1:47:55 PM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: Thunder90

ALL DECENT and MORAL people will leave the military!


19 posted on 12/05/2010 1:48:37 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Thunder90

So the cost of allowing fags in the military is that a quarter of a million trained personnel leave. The benefit is that now our military is home to a bunch of sausage smugglers. It would seem that the cost far outweighs the benefits, if you’re actually looking to make a RATIONAL decision.

On the other hand, if you’re just trying to undermine the US military, this would be an excellent roadmap.


20 posted on 12/05/2010 1:48:57 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: highlander_UW

GREAT point!! Obama has his OWN army of civilian KIDS!! This is getting scary.


21 posted on 12/05/2010 1:49:36 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: chuckee

The Belgians never stopped a single nation from overrunning its borders, and barely is holding itself together now.

Any military they have might as well be for traffic control for invaders passing through.


22 posted on 12/05/2010 1:55:56 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Da Coyote

I read your characterization of the pResident as a pimple on the @ss (which may be equally valid)...


23 posted on 12/05/2010 2:03:45 PM PST by mikrofon (ID,IOT)
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To: davisfh

I found the link to another page on this page.

http://americanfounding.blogspot.com/2010/02/general-washington-on-gays-in-military.html

I just broght up the other page again from my “Favorites” so the links should be good.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw110081))

This is titled..

The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799. John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor.

Strange. I brought it up just a few minutes ago but it will not load now.

I just loaded it from my favorites and it loaded well. I will load the whole page for you. The link appears to be the same I am using in my favorites.
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The George Washington Papers at the Library of Congress, 1741-1799

George Washington, March 14, 1778, General Orders


IMAGES

The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799. John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor.
Head Quarters, V. Forge, Saturday, March 14, 1778.

Parole Ormskirk. Countersigns Otley, Ottery.

At a General Court Martial whereof Brigr. General McIntosh was President (10th. March) Colo. William Cook of 12th. Pennsylvania Regiment tried for disobedience of orders in sundry instances (viz) About 20th. of December last when the Enemy advanced over Schuylkill, the Brigade to which he belonged was ordered and did march towards the Enemy, but Colo. Cook absented himself from his Regiment and did not join it again whilst on that service which was near ten days. After the Regiment was incamped again for about two days, Colo. Cook after having been refused leave of absence, did without leave abscond from Camp and did not return again until a few days since. For giving leave of Absence to Officers of his Regiment and reporting them absent without leave, by which they were brought to a trial by a Court-Martial and acquitted.

The Court having maturely considered the Evidence produced are of opinion that Colo. Cook after having been refused leave of absence, did without leave absent himself from Camp and did not return until near two months after he went away being a breach of General orders of 22nd. of december last and contrary to good order and military discipline and do sentence him on account of some particular Circumstances and on account of the good character he has sustained as an officer only to be reprimanded in General orders, but acquit him of furloughing his officers and reporting them absent without leave.

The Commander in Chief approves the sentence and hopes that the disgrace to an Officer of Colo. Cook’s rank of being found guilty of the Charge of quitting Camp without leave will be a sufficient reprimand.

At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778) Lieutt. Enslin28 of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false Accounts, found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismiss’d the service with Infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the

[Note 28: Lieut. Frederick Gotthold Enslin.] Army never to return; The Drummers and Fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.

At a Court of Inquiry held in the Brigade of Artillery whereof Lieutt. Colo. Strohbogh was President March 11th. 78, to examine into a Complaint exhibited by one John Willson against Captains Rice and Proctor Senior29 of Colo. Proctor’s Regiment for plundering and taking by force and for permiting the soldiers to take a quantity of houshold Furniture and other Articles from the Complainant. The Court after hearing the Evidence and Altercations of the Parties are of opinion that the charges exhibited against Captains Rice and Proctor Senior are groundless, consequently the Complaint quash’d.

[Note 29: Capts. Joseph Rice and Francis Procter, sr., of the Fourth Continental Artillery.]


24 posted on 12/05/2010 2:04:50 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Thunder90
I don't like McCain but I can say I'm grateful for the way he's standing against DADT, particularly when his wife and daughter have joined against him.

If he can block this I'll be grateful to him.

25 posted on 12/05/2010 2:05:42 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Jim Scott
...while throwing the homosexual lobby a big, juicy bone.

You do have a way with words, Mr. Scott. Intended or not, made me laugh.

26 posted on 12/05/2010 2:09:56 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: davisfh

I believe I have found the problem. When I look at “preview” I noticed the last two parenthsis )) and not underlined in red on the URL when the page loads.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw110081))

Load the page as is, then when you get the error warning go to the URL and add the missing )), then hit enter.

It should load.


27 posted on 12/05/2010 2:11:03 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Da Coyote

I watched most of the hearings.

McCain was the only obvious opponent of repealing DADT.


28 posted on 12/05/2010 2:22:36 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats Soil Institutions.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thanks. That solved the problem.


29 posted on 12/05/2010 2:23:13 PM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: Thunder90

BS.

Not even HALF of that number would quit.

Repeal of DADT is not as unpopular in the ranks as people think it is.


30 posted on 12/05/2010 2:25:48 PM PST by Neets
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To: Thunder90

The old saying that “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” so why do they want to change the system that would damage our military??? The military has kept our nation free since the late 1700’s so I say to the politicians, KEEP
YOUR F—KING HANDS OFF!!!! OIF Vet.


31 posted on 12/05/2010 2:26:00 PM PST by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: Thunder90
One chilling argument was that Congress should repeal DADT or the courts will do it.

The Constitution grants Congress the power to pass rules for the regulation of our armed forces, not the stinkin’ leftist courts.

The very existence of the UCMJ is acknowledgment that not all of the rights accorded civilians apply to service members.

32 posted on 12/05/2010 2:38:25 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats Soil Institutions.)
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To: Thunder90
Who would want to be surrounded by Rump Rangers in an open barracks, in the shower room, etc.?

Who wants to go home on leave and be asked "how's the moral"? Being identified as one of a group of sex deviates is NOT what the disciplined fighting forces are intended to be.

33 posted on 12/05/2010 2:44:18 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: BiggieLittle

“The gays will take over the military and other nations will laugh at us. Maybe not the Greeks given their history but the Belgians and others will.”

You are right we cater too, the smallest and most meaning less groups.


34 posted on 12/05/2010 2:52:47 PM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Thunder90

When rejecting the advances of a fag is declared a hate crime you’ll see a mass exodus of the REAL men and women in the military.

Remember how derelict Clinton was in the Oval Office, acquiring Lewinskys and practicing muff diving when he SHOULD HAVE BEEN seeing to the responsibilities of his Office? When the lid comes off of gay conduct the military will degenerate rapidly! IMHO


35 posted on 12/05/2010 2:57:10 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Thunder90

I’m still p-— about the fecal matter Harry Reid was blowing
about John McCain over this issue. I ‘d wish I could shove a potato up his tailpipe(or wherever) but to what avail our
system of government has been irretrievably broken for some time now. And the predictable actions of the Lame ducks only
proves my point. I sent e-mail to Mikey Mullen reminding him
of that Navy man who committed suicide when he discovered he had been wearing combat awards he never earned.I do not condone suicide-but find him more honorable than Mullen or Gates who violate their Oath in this evil act.


36 posted on 12/05/2010 3:06:04 PM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Thunder90

If massive numbers of troops are driven out of military life, we’ll be so fortunate as to have them in civilian life. I’m certain they won’t be Obama’s civilian forces.


37 posted on 12/05/2010 3:21:48 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: Silentgypsy
Driving non-homosexuals out of the Armed Forces is exactly the response the Donkeys, RINOs, and Obamabots want.
38 posted on 12/05/2010 3:30:00 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: dfwgator
The Belgians also have more bakers and musicians in their army than combat capable troops.
This is what the Democrats have always wanted to happen to the US Armed Forces.
39 posted on 12/05/2010 3:41:36 PM PST by Wooly
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To: MasterGunner01

I was trying to look at the positive side. I guess there is no positive side.


40 posted on 12/05/2010 3:41:59 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: Thunder90
http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/lets-ask-and-do-tell-is-obama-gay/

Pictures at URL

May 24, 2010 – SPECIAL REPORT from WAYNE MADSEN.

Obama and Emanuel: Members of same gay bath house in Chicago

President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bath house in uptown Chicago, according to informed sources in Chicago’s gay community, as well as veteran political sources in the city.

The bath house, Man’s Country, caters to older white men and it has been in business for some 30 years and is known as one of uptown Chicago’s “grand old bathhouses.” WMR was told by sources who are familiar with the bath house that it provides one-year “lifetime” memberships to paying customers and that the club’s computerized files and pre-computer paper files, include membership information for both Obama and Emanuel. The data is as anonymized as possible for confidentiality purposes. However, sources close to “Man’s Country” believe the U.S. Secret Service has purged the computer and filing cabinet files of the membership data on Obama and Emanuel.

Members of Man’s Country are also issued club identification cards. WMR learned that Obama and Emanuel possessed the ID cards, which were required for entry.

Obama began frequenting Man’s Country in the mid-1990s, during the time he transitioned from a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School to his election as an Illinois State Senator in 1996. Emanuel, reportedly joined Man’s Country after he left the Clinton White Hosue and moved back to Chicago in 1998, joining the investment firm of Wasserstein Perella and maintaining his membership during his 2002 campaign for the U.S. 5th District House seat vacated by Rod Blagojevich, who was elected governor.

Man’s Country appears to be a “one stop shopping” center for gay men. The club’s website advertises steam rooms, “fantasy rooms,” bed rooms, male strippers, adult movies, and lockers.

However, Man’s Country was not the only location for Obama’s predatory gay sex activities. The Chicago gay community is aware that Obama often made contacts with younger men at his famous “pick-up basketball” games. It was at these “pick up” matches where Obama first met Emanuel and a young Democratic campaign worker and senior bank vice president named Alexi Giannoulias. Currently running for Obama’s old U.S. Senate seat now occupied by Roland Burris, Giannoulias successfully ran for Illinois Treasurer in 2006 after being drafted for the run by Chicago’s Democratic machine.

41 posted on 12/05/2010 3:42:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: highlander_UW

Damage to the greatest military ever was my first thought, too. However, after reading of the mass exodus, I was wondering if he/they aren’t trying to get their brown-shirt mandatory government service started with this.

Also, I wrote to John McCain about this through his web site. And also have the list of those on the committee.

We need to fight for the military while they fight for us.

FULL COMMITTEE MEMBERS (Armed Services Committee)

John McCain (Arizona)
Ranking Member

James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
John Thune (South Dakota)
Roger F. Wicker (Mississippi)
George S. LeMieux (Florida)
Scott Brown (Massachusetts)
Richard Burr (North Carolina)
David Vitter (Louisiana)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)

DEMOCRATS

Carl Levin (Michigan)
Chairman

Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
Ben Nelson (Nebraska)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Jim Webb (Virginia)
Claire McCaskill (Missouri)
Mark Udall (Colorado)
Kay R. Hagan (North Carolina)
Mark Begich (Alaska)
Jeff Bingaman (New Mexico)
Joe Manchin III (West Virginia)
Christopher A. Coons (Delaware)


42 posted on 12/05/2010 3:51:33 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Cheetahcat; All

“Once again we have to bow down to a couple percent, this time it is the filthy perverts of our society. When is this crap going to end?”

We MUST start turning the PEOPLE back to traditional values. They have been brainwashed by Hollywood and the Lame Streme Press that being homosexual is OK. It is time to aggressively challenge that publically. Expose (no pun intended) the public to what the homosexual lifestyle is really about - and not the sanitized crap put out by Hollywood and Lame Stream Press - and the public will be revolted.

The battle has to be fought and won in homes, churches, and the public arena. We cannot afford to be civil or nice about it anymore....it is time to show the WHOLE truth without spin. The truth WILL set us free.


43 posted on 12/05/2010 4:01:35 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: onyx

Anybody have actual statistics as to how many homosexuals there are and how many would enlist? If not that many, then destruction of the military is the motive, and as I said elsewhere, the reinstatement of the draft.


44 posted on 12/05/2010 4:07:22 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Sola Veritas

We need to drive them back into their closets (and bathrooms along the interstate).


45 posted on 12/05/2010 4:09:06 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: Sola Veritas

“We MUST start turning the PEOPLE back to traditional values. They have been brainwashed by Hollywood and the Lame Streme Press that being homosexual is OK. It is time to aggressively challenge that publically. Expose (no pun intended) the public to what the homosexual lifestyle is really about - and not the sanitized crap put out by Hollywood and Lame Stream Press - and the public will be revolted.

The battle has to be fought and won in homes, churches, and the public arena. We cannot afford to be civil or nice about it anymore....it is time to show the WHOLE truth without spin. The truth WILL set us free.”

You are 100% right, the gloves need to come off.


46 posted on 12/05/2010 4:11:34 PM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: huldah1776

Definitely aimed at the destruction of our finest military.

And yet, almost everyone speaks like open gays are inevitable!

WHY?


47 posted on 12/05/2010 4:12:38 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

I have no idea, especially since they make up less than 1% of the population.


48 posted on 12/05/2010 4:22:42 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Thunder90

I have a question the men/women on FR who served in the USMC.Isn’t it technically incorrect to say “I was in the Marines”? I thought it was supposed to be “I was in the Marine Corps”.I was reading in a Marine Corps magazine where a Marine said that he was “in the Marines”and his CO quickly corrected him.I was just wondering.


49 posted on 12/05/2010 4:28:26 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

PS; The CO said to this Marine that someone in the Army would not say “I was in the soldiers”.


50 posted on 12/05/2010 4:30:29 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.)
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