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Ultra right-wing to protest at Republican meeting
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Posted on 12/06/2010 11:23:31 AM PST by LouAvul

TULSA, Okla. (AP) - Dozens of ultra-conservatives plan to gather in Bartlesville Monday night to protest the Legislature's plan to focus more on the economy than on social issues.

The more conservative Republicans, including tea party members, want lawmakers to focus on abortion restrictions, immigration and fewer regulations on firearms. Republican leaders who will direct the agenda want to concentrate first on improving Oklahoma's struggling economy.

Charlie Meadows, with the Oklahoma Conservative Political Action Committee, said Monday he expects up to 200 protesters.

Meadows says Monday's gathering at the Bartlesville Community Center is a way to send a message to Republican lawmakers that voters don't want them to be "puppets on a string."


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Ultra right wing. They make it sound like a bad thing. Re the above: I've finished voting for liberals/globalists/open borders candidates simply because they happen to be running on the Republican ticket. But that's just me.
1 posted on 12/06/2010 11:23:33 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Good luck winning without social conservatives

You can’t be a social liberal and an economic conservative because being a social liberal requires you to take from some people and give to others.


2 posted on 12/06/2010 11:26:30 AM PST by GeronL
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To: LouAvul

When did this media outlet ever tag an individual or group as “ultra left wing?”


3 posted on 12/06/2010 11:27:21 AM PST by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: LouAvul
What's "ultra right wing"? Used to mean you were a Nazi. Now it means you're against abortion and illegal immigration and for the Constitution, free exercise of religion, and limited government.

We've come a long way, baby.

4 posted on 12/06/2010 11:29:05 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: LouAvul

Ultra right wing. This in a world where Democrats call Obama “center right”.

We are talking about a media world where editors are somewhere politically to the Left of Stalin and Castro (they insist that there has never been REAL Communism).


5 posted on 12/06/2010 11:29:14 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: LouAvul

Attention GOP:
Here’s a lesson from Massachusetts...

April 8,2009
Mass. Republican Party Chairman says party will no longer oppose same-sex “marriage”, abortion, other “social issues”
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/nassour/index.html

Nov 4, 2010
Mass. Republicans lose ALL statewide & Congressional races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/general/results_statewide.html


6 posted on 12/06/2010 11:30:30 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: LouAvul
The more conservative Republicans, including tea party members, want lawmakers to focus on abortion restrictions, immigration and fewer regulations on firearms. Republican leaders who will direct the agenda want to concentrate first on improving Oklahoma's struggling economy.

I don't see why they can't work on all these things at the same time. Saying "we need to work on this first" is just an attempt to appease, hoping the people will forget the other stuff that needs to be worked.

7 posted on 12/06/2010 11:30:30 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: henkster
When did this media outlet ever tag an individual or group as “ultra left wing?”

The same Pravda Media and RINOs will tell you that sort of rhetoric is "name calling" and "divisive". They will point out that if what Obama is proposing is Socialist, then so was the Great Society and the New Deal proposals...

Yeah, and?

8 posted on 12/06/2010 11:31:19 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: a fool in paradise

Communists that mow people down with machine guns and dump them into mass graves are considered “centrist” by the media.


9 posted on 12/06/2010 11:33:37 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: GeronL
You can’t be a social liberal and an economic conservative because being a social liberal requires you to take from some people and give to others.

/thread

10 posted on 12/06/2010 11:34:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: LouAvul

Bible thumpers and their social issues are what kills the GOP with independents and what puts the Dems in office. They give the GOP a bad name. They should form their own party. The GOP should stick with lower taxes, a strong defense, and defense of the Constitution.


11 posted on 12/06/2010 11:34:14 AM PST by Signalman
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To: LouAvul
Have you noticed how there's never talk about "ultra-left wing"? Why? Because that's the Democrats. Used to be called radicals.

I have a theory about the radicals.

The same engine that produced Communism also produced the hippie movement and its current by-products: Radicals.

Remember in the 60's when the hippies were called "radicals." Well the problem is now they're "free radicals." According to medical science, when cells in the body encounter a free radical, the reactive radical may cause destruction in the cell.
http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/free-radicals.htm

Same is true here. These red-diaper-doper baby "free radical" hippies and their issue are slowly destroying the cells of the body politic in America.

12 posted on 12/06/2010 11:34:17 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: SC_Pete

The so called peace movement in the 1960s never asked the Viet Cong to lay down their weapons. The leaders of the movement were decidedly Pro-North Vietnmese Communist military.


13 posted on 12/06/2010 11:35:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Signalman

So, how are you gonna pay for the consequences of those behaviors that you think “bible thumpers” should keep their nose out of?

Seriously, you can’t be a true libertine if you “force” people to pay for the consequences of their own behaviors.


14 posted on 12/06/2010 11:36:44 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Signalman
Does that include limited federal government? Last Republican to do that was Reagan - much to the chagrin of the GOP. In fact his Republican advisers even hated his tax cuts until everyone was rolling in the dough and Reagan took the country by storm. THEN they were all for him.

I don't trust the GOP.

15 posted on 12/06/2010 11:38:03 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216

The leaders of 1960s and 1970s (Weather Underground only existed for the last 2 months of the 1960s, and acted violently into the 1980s) radical groups have BECOME the establishment today (academia, media, and political).

Barack Obama is an heir to that legacy and he wrote about that. He’s a proud life long red diaper doper baby.

He hasn’t acted as far as his liberal base would like, but he couldn’t even manage to get his OWN party to push his legislation when there was no opportunity for Republican opposition (fillibuster, veto, etc.).

He doesn’t want to blow his dumb Democrat demographic who still don’t believe he’s as left leaning as he was in the Senate. When he has left office, it’ll be easier to appraise just how left his policies and deliberate blunders have taken America.


16 posted on 12/06/2010 11:39:38 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: a fool in paradise
The so called peace movement in the 1960s....
17 posted on 12/06/2010 11:40:01 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: GeronL

Note to Oklahoma Republicans:

Clean out all the illegals in your state & keep them out.

That will be a giant step in improving the economy.

You cannot get your own people back to work & off the unemployment lines when you have illegals willing to work for $5 an hour under the table.


18 posted on 12/06/2010 11:40:09 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: LouAvul

The right to life, citizenship, and the right to bear arms are all mentioned in the Constitution. The economy is not. How sad is it that one is now “ultra-right wing” for demanding that the government only do what it’s supposed to do?


19 posted on 12/06/2010 11:41:33 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Signalman

The Democrats secret since their beating in 2004 has been to “close the god gap” and highlight “the religious left”.

They seek to frame arguments like Obamacare in biblical language and distance Obama from his support for homosexuality and abortion. He couldn’t have managed 90% of the church going black vote without denying his stance on abortion and homosexuality.


20 posted on 12/06/2010 11:42:51 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: MrB

If the GOP wants to keep WINNING, they need to focus on promoting the free-market, winning the war on terror and promoting individual freedom. We need the independents on our side to help us win politically, and many of them are turned off by religious zealots. I’m being pragmatic. I want Obama to be out of the White House in 2012, and I want the Dems to be in a minority status for years to come. And we can’t accomplish this without the independent voters.


21 posted on 12/06/2010 11:43:40 AM PST by Signalman
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To: massmike

Bats nothing, the Chicago 7 brought guns to the riot they instigated.


22 posted on 12/06/2010 11:44:00 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Jim 0216

Personally, I think we should dump GUNS. Guns are the problem and if we dump guns we can actually *gain* votes.
Do you know how many people are put off by the conservative stance supporting guns? It’s amazing. People need to come before guns. Guns are just an albatross around our necks.


23 posted on 12/06/2010 11:45:50 AM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: Signalman

Exactly! A man after my own heart.

If we cultivate enough independents we’ll never lose!


24 posted on 12/06/2010 11:47:45 AM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: MrB
So, how are you gonna pay for the consequences of those behaviors that you think “bible thumpers” should keep their nose out of?

How about we don't pay for them at all.

25 posted on 12/06/2010 11:49:30 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BenKenobi
I'm guessing you hate the 2nd.

BTW, I suggest More Guns, Less Crime (ISBN 0-226-49364-4) for your home page list.

I'd love Mr. Lott's book to be your first listing........

26 posted on 12/06/2010 11:52:47 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t want to wait that long to know that ObamieCommieCare is an unmitigated disaster. You don’t need to wait to see if a run-away train about to crash will be a disaster. ObamieCommieCare and his buddy Frankenstein Financial Reform must be destroyed now. Kill the Beast. Stop this rogue federal government from destroying the best health care and free economy in the world.


27 posted on 12/06/2010 11:53:03 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: BenKenobi
Guns are the problem

........

Are you serious?

28 posted on 12/06/2010 11:53:52 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Signalman

Define “religious zealots”. It sounds HORRIBLE! They must BE horrible!

Seriously, what do these horrible “religious zealots” want to do? Be specific.

Then, tell me why a nation that professes at a rate of about 80-90% to have Christian values would be opposed to these HORRIBLE “zealous” things that these terrible people want to do to our country.


29 posted on 12/06/2010 11:54:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: LouAvul

What, exactly, is “ultra-right wing”? Is that like a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?

I suspect it’s the Ma and Pa who never say anything and never complain and are the backbone and get-things-doners of this nation. More power to them and may the Ruling Class croak.


30 posted on 12/06/2010 11:54:41 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: LouAvul

Only the brain dead liberal media would characterize protecting borders and defending 2nd Amendment rights as being ultra-right wing.

And being against abortion has been part of the GOP platform for decades.

Further, I actually know a lot of liberals and moderates who want a protected border, want to keep their firearms, and are against abortion also.


31 posted on 12/06/2010 11:56:16 AM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Jim 0216

The Left is saying that Obamacare doesn’t go far enough and isn’t single payer only. Barack is on record saying that private insurance will go away even if it takes 20 years to get there.

The Left pretends they don’t get their agenda accomplished incrementally.

Read my profile page quote from Ronald Reagan around 1960 to realize that nothing has changed on “their goal”.

And it isn’t “racism” that made people oppose his plan. They opposed it when Ted Kennedy and when Hillary Clinton proposed it as well decades earlier.


32 posted on 12/06/2010 11:59:15 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: BenKenobi
Do you know how many people are put off by the conservative stance supporting guns?

Some people are stupid.

Populism is what the liberals are all about. Conservatism (should be) about standing for what's right. Bearing arms is a constitutional right as a form of self defense.

33 posted on 12/06/2010 11:59:27 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Lurker

If you don’t have someone pay for the consequences of behavior, then it’s as if the person choosing that behavior isn’t really free to choose that behavior.

Now what kind of “socially liberal” position is that?


34 posted on 12/06/2010 12:02:40 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Osage Orange

Added Lott’s book to the list.


35 posted on 12/06/2010 12:04:24 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: BenKenobi
People need to come before guns. Guns are just an albatross around our necks.

I think you either need a /sarc tag or a different forum.

36 posted on 12/06/2010 12:05:38 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: BenKenobi

Unless you forgot a sarc tag, you don’t belong here. You may be a republican, but you are no conservative.


37 posted on 12/06/2010 12:09:35 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: MrB
If you don’t have someone pay for the consequences of behavior, then it’s as if the person choosing that behavior isn’t really free to choose that behavior.

I know that's supposed to be English but I can't for the life of me figure out what it's supposed to mean.

How about we let adults make their own choices and at the same time make them pay for the consequences of those choices instead of running a Welfare State on Steroids.

I'm sick and tired of paying to babysit people. Unless it's prison for a crime of force or fraud, or course.

38 posted on 12/06/2010 12:09:50 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BenKenobi
Guns are just an albatross around our necks.

Well, the whole "Guns, Gays, and God" crowd seems not to realize that all of their priorities are much more achievable when government power remains strictly limited.

Conservatives should put up a unified front in asking, "What power should the government be allowed? " about every single issue. But too many of us are closet statists, thinking that maybe all those Federal Police aren't so bad if they are being used for something we approve of.

39 posted on 12/06/2010 12:10:23 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: a fool in paradise
The bad guys are getting worse and the good guys' lights are shining brighter. The end is coming soon.

The left seems to be the main home of the spirit of anti-Christ and is waxing so grievous that their REAL hero will soon be here. That would be the coming world ruler, "The Beast", coming soon on the world stage to do his magic tricks and kill millions (billions) of people. The battle between left and right will have morphed to a battle literally between good and evil, God and Satan.

This is just a preview of these coming attractions.

40 posted on 12/06/2010 12:11:49 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Signalman

gotohell signalbrat

A GOP run by and for the spineless centrists is no party I wish to be a part of.


41 posted on 12/06/2010 12:12:33 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: paulycy

Aww, but I was havin’ fun!

The point I was trying to make is that in every one of these threads, we get clowns arguing that it would be beneficial to dump social conservatives.

Every. Single. Thread.

Point hopefully driven home. Thanks guys.


42 posted on 12/06/2010 12:16:04 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: Lurker

I guarantee you, if you were to remove funding for such things as planned parenthood (abortion) or some other social program intended to alleviate the consequences for poor choices,

those who scream about religious zealots would be complaining that we were “imposing our values” on others.

Do you get it now? You can’t separate the “fiscal” from the “social”. In order to be socially liberal, the consequences for bad behaviors will have to be paid for with social programs.


43 posted on 12/06/2010 12:16:39 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Signalman

Problem is that liberaltarians want to classify anything that is not specifically financial as a social issue. Conservatives know that abortion/Declaration issues, gay marriage/first amendment issues, RBKA/2nd Amendment issues, federal/state/ tenth amendment issues, immigration/fourteenth amendment issues and Kelo/private property/fourth and fifth amendment issues, as well as fiscal issues are all important. Like most RINOs, Liberaltarians don’t really care whether the govt operates as the people intended constitutionally. They just like telling the other 95 percent of the population where to go.


44 posted on 12/06/2010 12:20:07 PM PST by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: Jim 0216

Things were pretty back a thousand years ago when a conquering warlord was married a kid, denied the divinity of Jesus, proclaimed himself God’s perfect man, and oppressed many people, enslaving billions over the subsequent millinium.

And in the 20th century, Fascism and Communism killed well over 100 million people.

But to put it in perspective, Americans killed 50 million babies via abortion since 1973 because a life was no longer sacred.


45 posted on 12/06/2010 12:23:30 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: LouAvul
Proud to an ultra right wing member of the party of NO.

There are times when you have to tell the adolescents NO...

46 posted on 12/06/2010 12:30:00 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: BenKenobi
Every. Single. Thread.

Point hopefully driven home. Thanks guys.

I thought I pretty much understood you but I still felt compelled... you know. I'm getting tired of some of the repetitive attacks on our basic principles around here, too.

Eternal Vigilance.

47 posted on 12/06/2010 12:30:11 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: paulycy

Yeah, I hoped people would pick up on the sarcasm.

Anyhoo, add a book recommendation to my homepage!


48 posted on 12/06/2010 12:32:34 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: ridesthemiles
Note to Oklahoma Republicans:

Clean out all the illegals in your state & keep them out.

Very funny! Searched, 'Nevada tough illegal immigrant laws' and got...

'Possible new Nevada illegal immigration law facing hurdles | KVOA' and 'Nevada illegal immigration petition dropped.'

'Oklahoma tough illegal immigrant laws' resulted in:

'Oklahoma's crackdown on illegal immigration draws Texas lawmakers' 'Oklahoma targets illegal immigrants with tough new law' 'Oklahoma Gets Tough On Illegal Immigration'

Note to Nevada desert dwellers:

Practice what you preach!

49 posted on 12/06/2010 12:41:18 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: BenKenobi
Yeah, I hoped people would pick up on the sarcasm.

Sarcasm is tough in an open forum environment. That's why Jim made it a rule to include a tag. Too many misunderstandings. (I was *pretty* sure but not 100% convinced... but I've seen your name around and wasn't too worried. :0)

50 posted on 12/06/2010 12:47:19 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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