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Teen misses senior [football] season by birthday 12 hours too early.
Yahoo ^ | 12/6/10 | Cameron Smith

Posted on 12/07/2010 4:32:16 AM PST by DemforBush

Adam Sisson is a high school senior. The teenager has spent his entire life dreaming of his senior seasons in high school sports, where he expected to be a star for the Eastern Montgomery (Va.) High football, basketball and baseball teams. Then, just days before his final high school year began, Sisson was given a shock: He was told that he was too old to play in Virginia high school sports by exactly 12 hours...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: eligibility; football; highschool
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Interesting article.
1 posted on 12/07/2010 4:32:19 AM PST by DemforBush
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To: DemforBush

Rules are rules. The same rules would have allowed him to begin playing a year earlier than most.


2 posted on 12/07/2010 4:34:59 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301
Someday, I'll write a book called "The Hundred Worst Things About Youth Sports".

Idiots who pretend not to understand the birthday thing are in the top 10.

When this kid was pitching fastballs to 11-year olds at (effectively) 13 years old, I'm sure he and his parents were fine with it.

3 posted on 12/07/2010 4:38:39 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: fso301

Excellent example of laws and rules and regs that are so massive, cumbersome and convoluted we’ve lost the entire point of an education ... forming a boy into a man.


4 posted on 12/07/2010 4:39:02 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: DemforBush
I can sympathize with someone in a position like this, but he's got nothing to complain about as far as the rules are concerned. The rules regarding age limits are there for a reason -- and no matter what the "hardship" in question may be, there's no way in hell a 19 year-old should be allowed to play high school sports.

FWIW, many of the state high school athletic associations that imposed rules like this did so to address legitimate concerns about parents who deliberately kept their kids back in the earlier grades just so they could dominate high school sports teams.

5 posted on 12/07/2010 4:40:13 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: DemforBush

Wasn’t there an episode about this on The Beverly Hillbillies, when Jethro was in the fifth grade?


6 posted on 12/07/2010 4:46:55 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Jim Noble

Exactly. Maybe they kept him out a grade to do just that.

Kneeling in the endzone while holding the ball and pointing upwards, is a delay of game penalty. It has nothing to do with anyone’s lack of tolerance for your faith.

The people on this site that fall for it, make us look stupid, as stupid as we think the left looks to us.

I haven’t read all the posts here, but I’m sure there will be several that disagree with us....


7 posted on 12/07/2010 4:52:29 AM PST by nikos1121 (Praying for the big -24 today and -27 by the end of the month.)
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To: Jim Noble

Yep.


8 posted on 12/07/2010 4:52:49 AM PST by Tax-chick (He will be Peace.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Malcolm Gladwell, of Freakonomics fame, wrote Outliers to describe how influences outside of the control of an individual help to lead to success. One of the chapters was about the birthdays of hockey players. A huge percentage of NHL players were born in January, February or March. This can be tracked back to the fact that the age-group cutoff for youth hockey teams was December 31. So coaches in all the leagues had boys who could be almost a year older than some of their teammates. These boys generally were bigger, stronger, more able to improve with coaching, etc.

Birthdate is as uncontrolled by the individual as height or eye color, but it does have influence on the individual's life patterns.

Outliers

9 posted on 12/07/2010 4:59:52 AM PST by maica
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To: DemforBush

Rules are rules. I played my Senior year at 16 years old and managed to make hon mention all state in Texas in one of the most competitive districts in the state. I would have loved to have played high school football at 17-19...I just think what I could have done. But rules are for everybody, no exceptions.


10 posted on 12/07/2010 5:03:51 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: BykrBayb

Yes, but he was only trying to get a jump on being a brain surgeon not an athletic career. Sheesh!


11 posted on 12/07/2010 5:06:12 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Stimulus ~ Response / "...and that's why the color yellow makes me sad, I think.")
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To: DemforBush

If he was talented enough, I’m sure they could have found a loophole.


12 posted on 12/07/2010 5:11:16 AM PST by sweet_diane ("They hate us cause they ain't us" Roll TIDE ROLL!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Wow. I was reading a story about a stupid brain surgeon when you posted that to me. Although, I don't Jethro was ever as stupid as this guy.


Surgeon had piles of cash and cocaine at fatal Valentine's Day prostitutes' party, court told

13 posted on 12/07/2010 5:14:08 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: vetvetdoug
Rules are rules. I played my Senior year at 16 years old and managed to make hon mention all state in Texas in one of the most competitive districts in the state. I would have loved to have played high school football at 17-19...I just think what I could have done. But rules are for everybody, no exceptions.

Yep, I started school early also and played football as a 16 YO senior, almost a year behind my buddies.

14 posted on 12/07/2010 5:17:30 AM PST by calex59
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To: vetvetdoug

When my son was in Middle School. Halfway through the season, it was discovered that a player on our team was too old.
The records were changed to show our team was disqualified in all of our games up until the player was removed from the team.


15 posted on 12/07/2010 5:18:24 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: Jim Noble
When this kid was pitching fastballs to 11-year olds at (effectively) 13 years old, I'm sure he and his parents were fine with it.

And you are sure this happened? Little League, Pop Warner and similar programs are based on age (and weight in football) groupings not school grade groupings. This kid should have always been at least one league ahead of that 11 year old.

That being said this kid is TWO full years older than I was my Senior year. That does seem a bit peculiar.

16 posted on 12/07/2010 5:24:18 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: knarf
forming a boy into a man.

He would be almost 20 at graduation, many such "boys" have already been in the work force or military for two years.

Picking a cut off date might be arbitrary, but its fair if fairly applied, and picking one is most certainly sensible.

Its not that uncommon for fanatic parents to hold their children back a year to gain unnatural advantage. The flip side to that is that they lose a year or two on the outer end.

17 posted on 12/07/2010 5:27:58 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: nikos1121

Delay of game isn’t an action, its a time period. Kneeling for 3 seconds isn’t delay of game, nor is jumping in joy for 3 seconds.


18 posted on 12/07/2010 5:30:54 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: SampleMan
Obviously I'm not up on scholastic sports.

I'm reading these posts and adding to my understanding.

I quit at 17 to go into the Army in '65, so the whole age thing is irrelavent to me.

19 posted on 12/07/2010 5:33:40 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: maica
I immediately thought of Outliers when I read this article. Gladwell writes well and I liked the book a lot. Unfortunately he knows very little about epidemiology and research design and draws a few unwarranted conclusions. Interesting though.
20 posted on 12/07/2010 5:38:08 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: sweet_diane
If he was talented enough, I’m sure they could have found a loophole.

That's the truth. We had a talented young man in my son's Little League. His parents decided to sent him to a local private high school with a top-rated varsity baseball program.

In the middle of his sophomore season, he suddenly showed up at our public HS and got a starting position on the varsity team, benching kids who had showed up at the pre-season drills and never missed a practice. Turns out he wasn't getting the playtime at the private HS, so his parents switched him to our pubic HS mid-season. And the rules were bent significantly so he could join and grab a starting position mid-season. That's when I really learned about HS sports politics and the way the game is really played.

21 posted on 12/07/2010 5:40:27 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ladyjane

If this kid truly spent his entire life, dreaming of his senior year sports triumphs, I am a rutabaga.


22 posted on 12/07/2010 5:51:12 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: vetvetdoug

I too played my senior year as a 16-17 yr old. Set a state record in the pole vault, won two state championships in the 110m hurdles and pole vault and captained the team to the state title. I was also all-state in soccer the previous fall. Now what if I were two whole years older at 18-19 competing against the same competition???

Regardless, if this kid is so good, he should be able to walk-on in college and do fine. No real loss other than the “memories”. Rules are rules.


23 posted on 12/07/2010 6:02:16 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: maica
That's an excellent point, and as a hockey fan I can attest to the NHL example.

It's worth noting that the example you cited specifically involves Canadian players, since Canada differs a lot from the U.S. and other countries in that there is no connection between their youth hockey system and their schools . . . so their age-based system for different tiers is based on a calendar year rather than on the academic year.

The Canadian system has come under a lot of criticism over the years for this, and a lot of players, coaches and others involved in hockey have called for a size-based or talent-based system of organizing youth hockey in place of the pure age-based system they have now. I think there's a lot of sense in what they're proposing.

24 posted on 12/07/2010 6:05:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: maica
Excellent post re: Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers book.

I just picked it up this weekend and have found it utterly fascinating and informative. I highly recommend it to our freeper crowd.
25 posted on 12/07/2010 6:05:47 AM PST by rpierce (We have taglines now? :)
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To: knarf
Excellent example of laws and rules and regs that are so massive, cumbersome and convoluted we’ve lost the entire point of an education ... forming a boy into a man.

It might or might not be the purpose of government schools, but it is certainly not the purpose of the professional-sports-preparatory program called "high school football."

26 posted on 12/07/2010 6:09:25 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: knarf
Excellent example of laws and rules and regs that are so massive, cumbersome and convoluted we’ve lost the entire point of an education ... forming a boy into a man.

Then you are in favor of the practice of 'holding back' promising atheletes so they can put up a mature man at the age of 22 against 16 year olds.

27 posted on 12/07/2010 6:13:24 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; SeeSac

See my #19


28 posted on 12/07/2010 6:16:31 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: cajungirl

He and his family had their eyes on the scouts in the stands and the colleges that would be recruiting him.

Oh well, now that the colleges know he is a cheat they won’t be making him any offers. \s


29 posted on 12/07/2010 6:17:49 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Alberta's Child
there's no way in hell a 19 year-old should be allowed to play high school sports.

I think this would largely result in very few seniors playing sports, especially spring sports. I turned 19 in the middle of my main sport, wrestling. You think the rule should be once you hit 19 you are done?

I was held back but not for sports, the more important issue of I hadn't learned my numbers or letters in Kindergarten.
30 posted on 12/07/2010 6:20:44 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: knarf
I was being cynical.

High school football is looked upon by the welfare-class as their ticket to fame and fortune.

It's not about sportsmanship.

31 posted on 12/07/2010 6:25:46 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: calex59

My dad started school a year early, made the varsity football team when he still wore ‘knickerbocker’ pants, because his dad did not allow his sons to wear long pants until they were sixteen. One of the worst moments of my dad’s youth was getting off the bus to go into the locker room of a rival school and having the kids laugh at his short pants.

You can imagine how fired up he was on the field, though!
He made the All-Maryland team in his senior year when he was sixteen.


32 posted on 12/07/2010 6:27:11 AM PST by maica
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To: Mr. Blonde
I believe my state (New Jersey) has a rule -- or used to have a rule -- that's even more restrictive than that . . . it says a high school student is ineligible to play even as an 18 year-old if he/she turns 19 during that academic year.

What's becoming more and more clear to me over time is that these sports programs should be run completely independently of schools. In fact, I think we're starting to see a serious move towards this kind of paradigm right now.

33 posted on 12/07/2010 6:44:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Mr. Blonde

An interesting option would be to allow junior-high kids to play high school sports if they fit the age requirements. This would enable them to get four years of eligibility regardless of what their personal circumstances are.


34 posted on 12/07/2010 6:47:16 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I think that runs into the issue of how many are hoping to go to college on athletic scholarships. A year away from competition makes it hard to be recruited and would put someone far behind competition wise. I know academics are the primary concern, but there are a lot of people who mostly do what they have to in the classroom to get to play.


35 posted on 12/07/2010 6:52:32 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Alberta's Child

When I went to junior high there were students too old to play in high school. Since they couldn’t make the grades to the next level, they were stuck in junior high until they gave up and dropped out.


36 posted on 12/07/2010 6:53:51 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: RGSpincich

I played in a tiered system little league program, AA was 8 years old, AAA was 9 years old to 11, if you good enough at 9 you could be drafted into the Major League (I was drafted at 10) which ran until 13, Senior league ball was until age 16, HS baseball went until Graduation (didn’t matter if you turned 19 your Sr year at all), so having a 13 year old pitching to a 10 or 11 year old was normal where I grew up.


37 posted on 12/07/2010 6:54:55 AM PST by sniper63 (Did you plug the hole in the border yet daddy........)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

By the time you reach HS, its all about winning.


38 posted on 12/07/2010 7:04:48 AM PST by super7man
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To: Mr. Blonde
At some point, that person would probably be better off honing his/her athletic skills outside of high school sports. Within just the last couple of weeks there was an article in a New Jersey newspaper lamenting the decline of high school soccer in New Jersey -- a state that has produced a disproportionate share of the nation's top-level soccer players in recent decades.

The article indicated that interest in soccer among kids in New Jersey isn't declining -- they're just migrating to private training programs and traveling club teams instead of playing in high school.

39 posted on 12/07/2010 7:07:18 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: SeeSac
forming a boy into a man.

Education can only inspire a boy to become a man. It is how he lives his life during this period that makes him into a man. Boy Scouts is better than HS athletics for making of a man.

40 posted on 12/07/2010 7:10:59 AM PST by super7man
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To: maica

On the OTHER end ... some years back my sister was due to have her baby in early January. They joked that her tax specialist husband had her doing handstands on the bed New Year’s Eve so they could get the deduction in that year. Didn’t work. Kid came in January ;)


41 posted on 12/07/2010 7:13:44 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: super7man

Those weren’t my words.


42 posted on 12/07/2010 7:27:22 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Alberta's Child

Soccer and some other sports have a very well developed league outside of schools. I’m not aware of those for Football in particular. Most sports are developing them as concentrating on one sport and making it a year round deal becomes more prominent. I think it will be hard for that to happen in Football because of the huge personnel needs.


43 posted on 12/07/2010 7:29:12 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: maica

That’s an excellent book. I bought it just before a week at the beach last summer, and I couldn’t put it down!


44 posted on 12/07/2010 7:30:08 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: SampleMan
Picking a cut off date might be arbitrary, but its fair if fairly applied, and picking one is most certainly sensible.

Yep. And if you bend the cutoff age for one kid, you'll have to bend it for the next, and the next. It sets a bad precedent. And God forbid, some kid gets hurt out on the field by another athlete who was technically too old to have been playing in the first place. KA-CHING!!!

45 posted on 12/07/2010 7:47:32 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Alberta's Child

Where we live, I’ve heard that college scouts don’t even really go to high school games except for football. Kids might play for the high school, but the serious baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey, lacrosse, cheerleading people are doing travel or club. The scouts go to those tournaments in greater numbers and frequency.


46 posted on 12/07/2010 8:01:43 AM PST by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: fso301
Rules are rules. The same rules would have allowed him to begin playing a year earlier than most.

Yup. Most likely he'd been held back a year by his parents to make sure he'd be a bigger player. This happens all the time. Looks like they got caught out at it.



47 posted on 12/07/2010 9:23:39 AM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: zeugma

Red-shirting kindergartners for athletic and educational reasons is catching on - I hear lots of folks doing this. In grade school the physical and maturity differences in one year can make a big difference.


48 posted on 12/07/2010 9:31:56 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

This is very popular where I live, but I ask myself, what happens when every boy entering first grade is seven instead of six? Will some parents keep their Johnny back another year? This kind of preference jockeying can get ridiculous after while.


49 posted on 12/07/2010 11:51:39 AM PST by maica
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To: All

Great posts, everyone. I always enjoy the different points of view FReepers bring to a discussion like this.


50 posted on 12/07/2010 3:03:34 PM PST by DemforBush (If I ever get back my blue jeans...Lord, how happy could one man be?)
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