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The Real Lesson of Pearl Harbor
The Daily Beast ^ | Mon Dec 6 | James Bradley

Posted on 12/07/2010 7:32:38 AM PST by fruser1

On the anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attacks, Flags of Our Fathers author James Bradley explains how the U.S. under Teddy Roosevelt first meddled in Asian affairs—and why we’re playing a dangerous game in doing so again.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: pearlharbor
Yep, the libs say it was our fault!

This is copied in Yahoo news too.

1 posted on 12/07/2010 7:32:41 AM PST by fruser1
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To: fruser1

“The Real Lesson of Pearl Harbor” don’t EVER elect “Progressives(whether they be Rep or Dem)” to any public office.


2 posted on 12/07/2010 7:35:12 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: fruser1

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


3 posted on 12/07/2010 7:35:15 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fruser1
“China presents no military threat to the U.S.”

All you need to read for judgment - major asshat!

4 posted on 12/07/2010 7:37:36 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: fruser1

FDR went to War against Germany and Italy - did they attack the USA? Were they threatening us with WMD?


5 posted on 12/07/2010 7:38:36 AM PST by PGR88
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To: central_va
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

No and it's not over now. Because when going gets tough....





the though get going.
6 posted on 12/07/2010 7:38:48 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: fruser1

“China presents no military threat to the U.S.”

Such stupidity can come only from someone who has absolutely no education whatsover.

Oh, forgot....journalist....


7 posted on 12/07/2010 7:42:40 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: fruser1
"China presents no military threat to the US"


8 posted on 12/07/2010 7:44:56 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: central_va

No it was aircraft from the USS Enterprise and USS Lexington. Just last night I saw the film of Dauntless divebombers peeling over on their dive and the USS Arizona blowing up....photo proof that it was a US attack by that Devil F D Roooosvelt and not the innocent Japanese.


9 posted on 12/07/2010 7:46:14 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Pearl Harbor truther bump.


10 posted on 12/07/2010 7:47:30 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PGR88
FDR went to War against Germany and Italy - did they attack the USA? Were they threatening us with WMD?

Germany and Italy declared war on us before we declared war on them.

11 posted on 12/07/2010 7:47:33 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: fruser1
The lesson of Pearl Harbor is this: if you declare war, you have to fight with everything you've got and achieve total victory over the enemy's ideology.

If you fart around for a decade, never naming the enemy or taking the war to his homeland, you would be better off never to have gone to war in the first place.

Ask the Russians.

12 posted on 12/07/2010 7:48:43 AM PST by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: fruser1
Rotten germans. Fly those flags Freepers.
13 posted on 12/07/2010 7:58:44 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Fiji Hill
Germany and Italy declared war on us before we declared war on them.

True, but FDR had given the US Navy the order to aggressively attack German U-boats in the Western & Mid-Atlantic so that the overstretched Royal Navy escorts only had to cover half the convoy routes. That was an undeclared naval war. Probably illegal. And guaranteed to draw the US into the European war had not Pearl Harbor happened and Hitler saved him the trouble.

14 posted on 12/07/2010 8:15:37 AM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: central_va
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Germans?

15 posted on 12/07/2010 8:16:40 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: dfwgator

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Germans?”

Whoopi goldberg says the Japenese never bombed us at Pearl Harbor.

Wonder who she thinks did that bombing?


16 posted on 12/07/2010 8:19:14 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: fruser1
Unlike in the era of Teddy Roosevelt, the US economy, way of life, and national security today depend on access to raw materials, finished goods, markets, and credit from all across the globe. Isolationism is not a plausible national strategy today.

Indeed, with the world's largest economy and most potent military, the US is the preferred ally of almost every nation and the guarantor of peace and freedom for every developed nation. Even when we are criticized, it is because we are essential to the world's peace and orderly progress.

Contrary to common belief, we are likely to remain the world's only superpower for decades to come. China will soon suffer economic, demographic, and political dislocations that will dramatically limit her aspirations. Even the Muslim insurgency is likely to begin to fade within five to ten years as Islam adapts to modernity. Iran is already ripe for a pro-Western, pro-US revolution.

Of course, with the wrong national leadership and the wrong decisions, we could suffer a precipitous fall. But who would truly wish that except our enemies?

17 posted on 12/07/2010 8:21:33 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: fruser1

The real lesson of Pearl Harbor is to never let your guard down, especially when your pulling raw materials from other countries.


18 posted on 12/07/2010 8:28:30 AM PST by jetson
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To: fruser1

Here’s a lesson the Japs learned.... DONT FLY PLANES INTO OUR SH!T. Others didnt seem to learn from this did they....


19 posted on 12/07/2010 8:42:43 AM PST by Moleman
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To: I cannot think of a name

Funny how the isolationists said the same about Germany and Japan.


20 posted on 12/07/2010 8:46:50 AM PST by 60Gunner (Mohammed was not a prophet. Islam is not a religion. Obama is not an American.)
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To: fruser1
In 1853, U.S. Navy warships entered the North Pacific with the largest show of naval power the area had ever seen. ~~~
The Navy’s goal in 1853 was to make Japan into what a Japanese prime minister later called “America’s unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Pacific”
Which shows incredible prescience by the USN. (in 1853 they didn't yet operate aircraft)
21 posted on 12/07/2010 8:52:39 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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To: GreyFriar

Got a link to such a video?


22 posted on 12/07/2010 8:54:12 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: ridesthemiles
Whoopi goldberg says the Japenese never bombed us at Pearl Harbor.

Jeremiah Wright said something similar. Could Pearl Harbor have been an inside job?

23 posted on 12/07/2010 9:06:37 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: fruser1

The lesson is that we should make ourselves weaker, meaning presumably that Japan attacked us because they thought we were too strong to beat?


24 posted on 12/07/2010 9:12:10 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Notary Sojac

The lesson of Pearl Harbor is this: if you declare war, you have to fight with everything you’ve got and achieve total victory over the enemy’s ideology.

Amen, and when congress shirks it’s responsibility and lets the executive branch diddle around with war powers, what we see is what we get. It is their job to make the decision.

We have been diddling since the end of the big one in 1945.


25 posted on 12/07/2010 9:17:19 AM PST by wita
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To: Oztrich Boy
In 1853, U.S. Navy warships entered the North Pacific with the largest show of naval power the area had ever seen. ~~~ The Navy’s goal in 1853 was to make Japan into what a Japanese prime minister later called “America’s unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Pacific”

Does it really say that at the Daily Beast? (I can't follow the link at my current venue.) Not only did the navy anticipate the invention of aircraft, they followed the premise through to the development of the aircraft carrier. True genius!

26 posted on 12/07/2010 9:29:19 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: dfwgator; central_va

It’s a movie reference. Classic John Belushi line in Animal House.


27 posted on 12/07/2010 9:31:45 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: al_c

Just watch the Pearl Harbor shows on History & Military Channel’s today and you’ll see it. My other “movie closeup error” is showing a P-47’s left side with 4 x 50 cal firing and then either a US fighter or bomber exploding that closeup usually follows a distance shot of a Bf-109 or FW-190.


28 posted on 12/07/2010 9:32:54 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Yes, yes it does.

Just incredible.


29 posted on 12/07/2010 9:34:50 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Fiji Hill

Klingons via time warp.


30 posted on 12/07/2010 9:37:32 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: central_va; BenLurkin

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/jap.wav


31 posted on 12/07/2010 9:39:39 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: FreedomPoster
It’s a movie reference. Classic John Belushi line in Animal House.

Of course I know that, I was just expecting somebody to respond with "Forget it, he's rolling."

32 posted on 12/07/2010 9:40:41 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: ridesthemiles
Whoopi goldberg says the Japenese never bombed us at Pearl Harbor. Wonder who she thinks did that bombing?

She said the Japanese military bombed us at Pearl Harbor.

33 posted on 12/07/2010 9:50:08 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: PGR88

Actually, to be just slightly accurate....

Germany and Italy declared war on us. Dumbest thing Hitler ever did.


34 posted on 12/07/2010 9:50:53 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: ridesthemiles

Thats OK.

We didn’t nuke the Japs then....


35 posted on 12/07/2010 9:52:25 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: dfwgator

Doh!


36 posted on 12/07/2010 10:04:53 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: GreyFriar

You’re gonna have to do better than that in support of your outlandish claim. I’ve heard the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories for many years, but this is the first I’ve read of anyone claiming we bombed our own ships.


37 posted on 12/07/2010 10:05:12 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
The article
On the anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attacks, Flags of Our Fathers author James Bradley explains how the U.S. under Teddy Roosevelt first meddled in Asian affairs—and why we’re playing a dangerous game in doing so again.

I always assumed that my father—John Bradley—had raised two American flags on the island of Iwo Jima because of the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor 65 years ago today. But unbeknownst to my dad, 88 years before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Navy had eyed Iwo Jima as a potential staging area for naval operations aimed at China.

In 1853, U.S. Navy warships entered the North Pacific with the largest show of naval power the area had ever seen. The three neighboring countries—Japan, Korea, and China—had been at peace with one another for centuries.

The Navy’s goal in 1853 was to make Japan into what a Japanese prime minister later called “America’s unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Pacific” in order to compete for influence in nearby China. The pretext given to the American public was that the Navy was on a humanitarian mission to halt mistreatment of American whalers shipwrecked on Japanese shores.

Twenty years later, in 1873, Japan launched its first modern overseas military foray—an invasion of Taiwan. The rationale was to threaten China, thus allowing Japan to wrest the island of Okinawa from China’s orbit, an idea cooked up by the Japanese foreign ministry’s first foreign employee—a retired American Civil War general. The excuse was that the Taiwanese had abused Okinawan civilians. The Japanese invaders sailed on American-made ships with U.S. Navy advisers. In 1894, Americans applauded as a newly militarized Japan attacked China to promote “peace and stability” on the Korean Peninsula.

Then in 1905, President Theodore Roosevelt secretly urged Japanese leaders to develop a “Japanese Monroe Doctrine for Asia.” Roosevelt encouraged the Japanese navy to seize “a paramount interest in what surrounds the Yellow Sea, just as the United States has a paramount interest in what surrounds the Caribbean.” Unknown to Congress and his own State Department, Theodore Roosevelt agreed to a secret, unconstitutional treaty with Tokyo allowing the Japanese military to seize Korea and initiate their Japanese Monroe Doctrine for Asia.

When the United States and Japan later quarreled over who would control China, war broke out. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt condemned that day of infamy, not realizing that the Japanese navy had modeled their Pearl Harbor attack after a similar surprise naval operation in Korean and Chinese harbors 37 years earlier. In 1904, when word of Japan’s first infamous sneak attack reached him, President Theodore Roosevelt wrote secretly, “I was thoroughly well pleased with the Japanese victory, for Japan is playing our game.”

U.S. Marines raise the American flag atop Mt. Suribachi, Iwo Jima, on this Feb. 23, 1945. (Photo: Joe Rosenthal / AP Photo) The U.S. Navy is continuing Theodore Roosevelt’s game in Asia. In June, North Koreans fired on and killed three Chinese civilians on their northern border and Washington viewed it as a minor incident. In November, when North Korea tragically killed four South Koreans, President Barack Obama led the China-bashing and dispatched thousands of warships, tens of thousands of troops, and billions of dollars of high-tech weapons to the coast of China.

Pretty much "peaceful chinee threatened by American Imperialism"

Simpler explanation for the Perry expedition (which is also the explanation for most historical events): Trade

38 posted on 12/07/2010 10:05:19 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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To: PGR88

Let me guess. You are a product of the Public School System? Right?


39 posted on 12/07/2010 10:20:19 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Vermont Lt
Dumbest thing Hitler ever did.

Hitler believed in return the Japanese would attack the Soviets in the Far East, and ease Hitler's burden in Russia.

The Japanese weren't stupid.

40 posted on 12/07/2010 10:31:55 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: GreyFriar

Nevermind. Going back an re-reading your post(s), it does appear that you’re being rather sarcastic. My bad.


41 posted on 12/07/2010 11:25:08 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c
The Real Lesson of Pearl Harbor

Don't let Michael Bay make anymore movies.

42 posted on 12/07/2010 11:26:00 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!

I kinda like the Transformer movies though.


43 posted on 12/07/2010 11:28:47 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

You got it, long live scarcasm!!!


44 posted on 12/07/2010 11:44:53 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: ErnBatavia

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/submitted/jerome_brown_letsgo.mp3


45 posted on 12/07/2010 11:58:34 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: GreyFriar

Being such a proponent of it, I shoulda recognized it when I saw it.

Crow tastes icky.

Speaking of mistakes in entertainment, I used to work for Origin Systems back in their hey-day. The game Pacific Strike was rushed out the door with mistakes aplenty including the ability to fly a Japanese plane complete with US Navy insignia. Oops.


46 posted on 12/07/2010 11:58:53 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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