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FDR:December 7, 1941, "A Date Which Will Live in Infamy" (Video)
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Posted on 12/07/2010 8:13:52 AM PST by lbryce

FDR's Address to The Nation in the aftermath of the sneak attack by the Imperial Forces of Japan on our naval base at Pearl Harbor that brought the United States into World War 2


(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: japan; pearlharbor; sneakattack; usa
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Today is the 69th anniversary of the Japanese sneak attack at Pearl Harbor. In memory of all those who lost their lives in defense of our nation. God Bless you all.
1 posted on 12/07/2010 8:13:58 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Never forget.


2 posted on 12/07/2010 8:31:20 AM PST by skeeter
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To: lbryce

We will never forget those who defend and protect us.


3 posted on 12/07/2010 8:33:29 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: lbryce

AMEN.


4 posted on 12/07/2010 8:34:28 AM PST by cld51860
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To: lbryce

My husband told me this morning he was 14 years old when the announcement came. He was playing cards on the floor with other boys and they all stood up and shouted they were going to go “kill the b###s” as soon as they were old enough. Husband was a Navy man.


5 posted on 12/07/2010 8:40:42 AM PST by Hattie
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To: lbryce

The attack on Pearl Harbor and my Dad’s and God Father’s response is one of my first memories.

I was a little over 3 years old, and my Dad and God Father had taken me along on a quail hunt.

The hunt was over, we were at my God Father’s car. The doors were open, and they were cleaning the birds. I was apparently feeding my self.

They had the radio on and were listening to something.

Then, I remember both of them cursing and my Dad crying. Which was unusual. The birds, food, and other stuff were put in the trunk, and they drove home. I can remember them being very mad/angry, and I thought that I had done something to make them mad.

I can remember my Mother and God Mother crying when we got home. My Mother didn’t want to let me go after she hugged me. Later we drove a few miles to spend the rest of the day with my Grand Parents. I can remember my Grand Dad being really angry.

I really didn’t know what had happened until years later.


6 posted on 12/07/2010 8:56:43 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: lbryce

I still don’t understand how the Japs could not visualize the ultimate endpoint of their actions at Pearl.


7 posted on 12/07/2010 8:59:43 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: Grampa Dave

The responses of your family were and are, quite sane and proper.

Anger, followed by restutitive action is the appropriate response.

Unlike the lingering, wallowing in ineffectual sadness over 9-11. Have we yet settled on the exact dimensions of the “reflecting pool” at Grond Zero? You know, dimensions that will show “proper respect” to those lost on that day?


8 posted on 12/07/2010 9:04:35 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: lbryce
I was reminded to look up John Finn & see how he was & am saddened to learn he passed away this year.

Whatta great guy he was.

9 posted on 12/07/2010 9:06:19 AM PST by skeeter
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To: lbryce

I am glad you posted.


10 posted on 12/07/2010 9:25:04 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: EyeGuy
"I still don’t understand how the Japs could not visualize the ultimate endpoint of their actions at Pearl."

I bet they weren't expecting Japan to end up like this.
11 posted on 12/07/2010 9:29:12 AM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Chanuka!)
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To: lbryce

I happened on a couple of Pearl Harbor survivors recently, along with many other WWII vets. What a pleasure. They were so proud. Everyone around them was clapping for them.

Every last American should see the AZ memorial & Pearl & Ford Island. And the video of what happened. The sound of the AZ explosion alone brings tears to your eyes.

These people knew they could lose the war and went at it. Without kevlar. Sometimes, without supplies.

We are and shall be forever grateful.


12 posted on 12/07/2010 9:46:08 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: EyeGuy
They could and did (while not imagining the devastation from the fire bombings nor the two atomic bombs), the Japanese knew that they were committing national suicide.

They decided to fight while they still could versus submit to their economic strangulation.

13 posted on 12/07/2010 9:51:59 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: lbryce

God bless those brave defenders of Pearl Harbor...


14 posted on 12/07/2010 9:53:16 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: skeeter
How can I forget?

It's our wedding anniversary

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15 posted on 12/07/2010 9:54:41 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: jamaksin

Sounds like you subscribe to the “Imperialisitic United States caused WW II” version of history.

I believe they still feature that in the lobby at the UN Building.


16 posted on 12/07/2010 9:58:35 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: jamaksin
Their stated goal was a negotiated peace after militarily consolidating their pacific gains. I think many of the ruling class - the military - believed this could be accomplished.

The diplomatic corps didn't but they had been silenced years before.

Its hard to believe such ignorance in hindsight but we weren't a superpower in 41.

17 posted on 12/07/2010 10:01:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: combat_boots
Brief history of the USS Arizona

Attack on Pearl Harbor

Lost Evidence- Pearl Harbor (Part 1 of 5)

My folks knew some who died in Hololulu & Pearl and never bought another Japanese product again.

18 posted on 12/07/2010 10:02:35 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: EyeGuy
Sounds like you subscribe to the “Imperialisitic United States caused WW II” version of history. I believe they still feature that in the lobby at the UN Building.

Or you're a realist that believes that countries do what they think is best for themselves. I doubt the Japanese high command sat around saying "hey let's hatch an evil scheme." The US was justified by the Japanese actions in China to put in place sanctions though.

19 posted on 12/07/2010 10:02:41 AM PST by chargers fan
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To: chargers fan

” I doubt the Japanese high command sat around saying “hey let’s hatch an evil scheme.”

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Straw man. Who implied that ridiculous, over-the-top position?

The original question had to do with the advisability of viciously attacking the US. It is hard to understand how such a strategy falls under the rubric of “countries do what they think is best for themselves”.

Admiral Yamamoto must not have been a “realist” by your definition, because he clearly recognized the insanity of such a strategy, at the time.

Well that was my original question


20 posted on 12/07/2010 10:09:54 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: EyeGuy

“Unlike the lingering, wallowing in ineffectual sadness over 9-11. Have we yet settled on the exact dimensions of the “reflecting pool” at Grond Zero? You know, dimensions that will show “proper respect” to those lost on that day?”

PC ism and liberals wanting to control everything/everywhere are ruining our country.


21 posted on 12/07/2010 10:13:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: EyeGuy
Isolationist forces across the USA and in Congress felt very strongly about keeping the US out of the war and so our military, production of modern weaponry were kept at a minimum.

The Japanese saw the realm of Asia,the Pacific Ocean as their very own but seeing the US as only obstacle in which to attain hegemony, free reign. They woefully underestimated the grit and determination in which they were pursued to the very end. They believed the US was weak, had no gumption to fight, and that once they would destroy US naval capabilities the US would sue for peace.

In the aftermath of major battles in which Japan's navy was decimated, the realization they had lost the gamble to defeat the US but they in fact did at one point in the very early stages of the war have the opportunity to defeat us. so while it does appear suicidal there was a strategy in place that had rationale to their way of thinking.

22 posted on 12/07/2010 10:17:16 AM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: EyeGuy
Where is that "sound" in my reply?

From Hull's "moral embargo" to the closing of the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping, all Japanese assets being frozen in the US, a world-wide embargo on oil shipment to Japan, etc., are all facts which the Japanese took as encirclement. To them, that is provocations.

The rest is history as they say.

23 posted on 12/07/2010 10:28:51 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: skeeter
Their stated goal was a negotiated peace after militarily consolidating their pacific gains

Yes... and the 'military consolidation' meant they wanted to capture most of the pacific, china, south east Asia, and ever bit of the pacific east of Hawaii.
24 posted on 12/07/2010 10:32:03 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: jamaksin

Of course they thought that was provocation. They also thought their atrocities in China were fine. Who cares?


25 posted on 12/07/2010 10:35:12 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: jamaksin

“Where is that “sound” in my reply?”

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Fine.

Remove the “sounds like” and make it a clear declarative sentence.

“Provocations” however, are the result of previous actions.


26 posted on 12/07/2010 10:41:49 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: skeeter
Perhaps - but also there are several other considerations.

For example, when the moderate Japanese PM offered to meet FDR, the US refusal led directly to the downfall of that "moderate" government with Tojo becoming the head of the "militaristics" government. It remains a question as to why FDR/Hull did not further pursue this path.

As another question - when the Chinese wanted to sue for peace with the Japanese, who promised aid (money and arms) to continue fighting? [Rationale here is to "tie down" Japanese troops. From what, however?]

Many other considerations.

27 posted on 12/07/2010 10:45:38 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: ari-freedom

Hated his domestic policies, but I loved how FDR orated:

A day . . .which will live . . . in INNNNNNN-FAMMY

awesome possum.


28 posted on 12/07/2010 10:45:58 AM PST by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: jamaksin
As another question - when the Chinese wanted to sue for peace with the Japanese, who promised aid (money and arms) to continue fighting? [Rationale here is to "tie down" Japanese troops. From what, however?]

Which Chinese sued for peace - the Kuomintang or the communists?

29 posted on 12/07/2010 10:48:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: TalonDJ

” ... and ever bit of the pacific east of Hawaii.” - have a citation for that?


30 posted on 12/07/2010 10:50:04 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: skeeter
Those amongst themselves (several times), but Chiang Kai-shek was talked out of it with Japanese.

Imagine ... Japanese as a threat to the USSR in the East while fighting the Germans in the West.

31 posted on 12/07/2010 10:55:21 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin
It remains a question as to why FDR/Hull did not further pursue this path.

Becasue PM Konoye's proposal, sent in advance, stipulated that Japan's army remain in both China and SE Asia.

From FDR's prespective this was no basis for the meeting.

32 posted on 12/07/2010 10:56:27 AM PST by skeeter
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To: lbryce
My dad was on the U.S.S. Arizona when it was bombed on that fateful day. (one of about 80 actual survivors)
He joined with 19 other men (friends) from a small town
in Alabama ,they all perished.

He seldom spoke to anyone about this event.
A history professor convinced him to do a oral history.
He was talking of emotions after the attack . He told how a
country boy drove a tractor to clear the airport after the attack.The interviewer kept pushing as to who was in charge.
He told the interviewer that a person did whatever they were big enough to do. He refused to talk to the person who wrote the story that was turned into a movie about the attack.
That was some generation .
He was there at the start (Dec7,1941) and was also there for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

33 posted on 12/07/2010 10:56:54 AM PST by freedommom
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To: lbryce
the realization they had lost the gamble to defeat the US but they in fact did at one point in the very early stages of the war have the opportunity to defeat us.

If our aircraft carriers were in Pearl on December 7th, they might very well had won.

34 posted on 12/07/2010 10:58:37 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: jamaksin
Imagine ... Japanese as a threat to the USSR in the East while fighting the Germans in the West.

This was the army's ultimate goal up until the time of Khalin Gol, when they were roundly humiliated.

Which is too bad, because influence then shifted to the navy which, needing oil, advocated the 'strike south' strategy that concluded with the December blitz & the PH attack.

35 posted on 12/07/2010 11:00:40 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
There is a question as to just how flexible the troop dispositions were as were the timeframe(s) for withdraw.

One part of the puzzle was US involvement in "ending" the war with China.

Japan's leverage was their ability to cut-off the Burma Road, here the Brits being occupied elsewhere were too weak to stop that.

36 posted on 12/07/2010 11:02:18 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: skeeter
There is a question as to just how flexible the troop dispositions were as were the timeframe(s) for withdraw.

One part of the puzzle was US involvement in "ending" the war with China.

Japan's leverage was their ability to cut-off the Burma Road, here the Brits being occupied elsewhere were too weak to stop that.

37 posted on 12/07/2010 11:03:41 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: dfwgator

And the fuel farms, machine shops, and oilers were all targets ...


38 posted on 12/07/2010 11:06:31 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: lbryce

“...but they in fact did at one point in the very early stages of the war have the opportunity to defeat us.”

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Temporarily. Perhaps.

But they could have done nothing to shut down the industrial might of a rearming US running at full bore and with a determined resolve.

Did they really think we would sue for peace after Pearl, regardless of the outcome?


39 posted on 12/07/2010 11:08:54 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: skeeter
The Japanese knew in 1940, from the German surface-raider's capture of British COS (Chief of Staff) documents from the mail of a "Blue Funnel" steamer, that the British military would not defend the Far East; they were simply spread too thin.

For the Japanese, the US Asiatic Fleet and the Dutch warships posed little threat. Only one target remained.

40 posted on 12/07/2010 11:15:43 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: TalonDJ

They also wanted Hawaii and probably Alaska. We shouldn’t forget the fighting in the Aleutions. Thinking about this they might even wanted to go the entire west coast of Canada and USA.


41 posted on 12/07/2010 11:32:52 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: skeeter
"That damned hero stuff is a bunch crap, I guess. [...] You gotta understand that there's all kinds of heroes, but they never get a chance to be in a hero's position."-- Lt. John Finn

RIP John. A true hero whether you like it or not. :-)

42 posted on 12/07/2010 11:35:16 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: jamaksin

What if Hitler defeated Britain, then what would have become of the colonies?


43 posted on 12/07/2010 11:37:25 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: dfwgator
From everything that I've read, the saving grace for the Navy, the USA was that the carriers were on maneuvers that very Sunday morning 8 am, Dec. 7, 1941, were not docked as sitting ducks as was the mainstay of our fleet all lined-up in "Battleship Row" for the Japanese air force to destroy as well.

It was, as I've read, a stroke a luck for the US.

44 posted on 12/07/2010 11:42:47 AM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: lbryce
It was, as I've read, a stroke a luck for the US.

Exactly, when Yamamoto found out the Carriers were not there, was when he exclaimed that they had awoken a sleeping giant, he knew Japan was doomed right then and there.

45 posted on 12/07/2010 11:45:19 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: dfwgator
Well, maybe.

But, Germany seemed to have no colonial "interests."

For example, there were no discussions with Japan to return "The Mandates" that Germany lost as a result of WWI.

A question might be why did countries that were free before WWII end up behind the Iron Curtain afterwards. Or, as communists became major elements of Western Europes governments (e.g., France), ... Or, just who won WWII?

Depending on the figure-of-merit to judge, the mileage may vary.

46 posted on 12/07/2010 11:46:27 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin

But certainly the colonies provided safe haven-with Britain defeated, the Germans could have put a lot of pressure on Britain, threatening to continue to bomb cities unless Britain gave up her colonies, either to Germany or Japan.


47 posted on 12/07/2010 11:48:33 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: EyeGuy
Kindly see my post #22.

btw. do these symbols,###### as part of your comments have any significance, meaning? Thanks. :-)

48 posted on 12/07/2010 11:49:11 AM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: mc5cents

... one of the dozen or so guys I would’ve liked to meet/have met.


49 posted on 12/07/2010 11:53:07 AM PST by skeeter
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To: lbryce

Page with links to radio broadcasts from that day

http://www.otr.com/r-a-i-new_pearl.shtml


50 posted on 12/07/2010 11:56:13 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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