Posted on 12/07/2010 8:13:52 AM PST by lbryce
They also wanted Hawaii and probably Alaska. We shouldn’t forget the fighting in the Aleutions. Thinking about this they might even wanted to go the entire west coast of Canada and USA.
RIP John. A true hero whether you like it or not. :-)
What if Hitler defeated Britain, then what would have become of the colonies?
It was, as I've read, a stroke a luck for the US.
Exactly, when Yamamoto found out the Carriers were not there, was when he exclaimed that they had awoken a sleeping giant, he knew Japan was doomed right then and there.
But, Germany seemed to have no colonial "interests."
For example, there were no discussions with Japan to return "The Mandates" that Germany lost as a result of WWI.
A question might be why did countries that were free before WWII end up behind the Iron Curtain afterwards. Or, as communists became major elements of Western Europes governments (e.g., France), ... Or, just who won WWII?
Depending on the figure-of-merit to judge, the mileage may vary.
But certainly the colonies provided safe haven-with Britain defeated, the Germans could have put a lot of pressure on Britain, threatening to continue to bomb cities unless Britain gave up her colonies, either to Germany or Japan.
btw. do these symbols,###### as part of your comments have any significance, meaning? Thanks. :-)
... one of the dozen or so guys I would’ve liked to meet/have met.
“Kindly see my post #22. btw. do these symbols,###### as part of your comments have any significance, meaning? Thanks. :-)”
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I did. That was the Post to which I was directing my response.
Regarding the number symbols:
Nope. Nothing sinister. I don’t know html (to italicize a quote for example), so those are just separators. Some others here use a similar device.
Consider, for example, how Germany treated France - that is, Vichy in the south was quasi-autonomous (big grain of salt). Nothing in the French North Africa "colonies." Control of Suez was a bit different.
The Japanese were very different; their POW treatment of the Dutch say, was horrific! And yes, recall Naking. But recall also the treatment of the native peoples of the Belgium Congo under King Leopold.
And, the Brits bombed the Germans cities first.
The Japanese military was still contaminated with tactics and a mentality that preceded the age of firearms. Even after all the disasters brought on by such tactics and mentality, that foolishness prevailed during the Battle of Okinawa. The believers also believed the ridiculous fictions of monumental successes of the kamikaze planes and ships, even though the US seemed to hold total supremacy on air and sea. The reason for the attack wasn’t economic, it was cultural — a xenophobic superiority complex one only sees nowadays among Moslems, such as Barack Obama. Doesn’t the 2010 election result make more sense now? :’) Thanks lbryce.
"Version," hell - there's enough documentation to wallpaper the Pentagon on this one. Take the sucker out of your mouth, read, and learn:
Here’s a little tidbit. Pop was on a “simulated” war patrol out of Pearl on Oct. 31, sub picket for the Enterprise and Saratoga. Their orders were “live weapons” and free to fire on any hostile Japanese shipping. His whole life he said the Brits had the jap codes, knew where the invasion fleet was and was going, and they either kept it from the US or colluded to do so with FDR. The war orders without a war convinced him along with the radio traffic on the conn. Memories of entering Pearl six hours after the attack included floating burning bodies of our sailors and marines, and the fact the fleet’s fuel tank farm was untouched.
Remember how the Germans bombed Rotterdam to pressure the Dutch into surrendering?
“Take the sucker out of your mouth...”
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You feel so insecure with your stupid opinion that you feel it requisite to include a puerile, punk comment?
Shove it.
Send this thread with the video to Whoppie Goldberg as she doesn't believe that that Japanese attacked us on December 7th.
So why did WSC order that the German cities be bombed when he did?
The embargo in re Japan on oil, scrap iron and steel, IIRC, was a provocation. That embargo began in August of 1941.
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/wwiipaccauses_2.htm
“(Hitler) made provision for the Japanese to become ‘honorary aryans’ mainly to cement a military alliance. The idea was that Japan would go to war with Russia to help Germany complete the conquest of the USSR. Instead, Japan attacked the American fleet at Pearl Harbor which spoiled Hitler’s plan and led to the downfall of both Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
Source(s): I teach History and Geography”
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100119230316AAxrsJq
IIRC, Japan joined the Axis Powers in 1936, by siging the Anti-Comintern Pact.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/int/axis.htm
The world was amping up for war for a number of years. Total war.
And war should really be nothing else. If it is, you don’t really want to win.
I want to WIN in AfgPak. Or bring our guys the f@#$ home. Period.
All that said, I wonder if people here in the US and elsewhere were holding their hands over their ears and singing, “La, la, la, la, la....” just like they are now. It’s spooky sometimes how people will act like nothing’s wrong or they just cut off the conversation and change the subject. Or they try the tactic of “not following politics,” like everything’s fine. I mean it’s downright, chillingly creepy that folks don’t see the mess all around us.
On another topic, but related, that the FCC even thinks that control of information of any kind will change something in people’s minds is not just foolhardy, but worthy of recognizing that The Big Lie will be revealed in silence, like the wind of God Almighty blowing a door shut. There will be no denial necessary, any more than trying to convince America that JFK was killed by Arlen Specter’s magic bullet was true....I remember that moment; no one believed it then, even pre-release of the Zapruder film (and the silence was deafening). And no one will believe the embargo, i.e., control, of information on public bandwidth by the FCC will do anything but confirm that the Nazis are in power once again, since 0bama merely reads what Soros says. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply another “good German.”
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