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Lincoln the Tyrant: The Libertarians' Favorite Bogeyman
Big Government ^
| Dec 5th 2010
| Brad Schaeffer
Posted on 12/07/2010 11:31:03 AM PST by presidio9
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:31:04 AM PST
by
presidio9
To: presidio9
A Lincoln thread! What could possibly go wrong?
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:32:52 AM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
To: Tijeras_Slim
A Lincoln thread! What could possibly go wrong?At least it's a distraction from the Sarah wars.
To: presidio9
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:37:02 AM PST
by
Ozone34
("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
To: presidio9
and resulted in no one swinging from the gallows for their opposition to the war,Why wasn't Mr. Davis tried and possibly executed? To put him on trial would be to put secession on trial, a losing proposition for the prosecution.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:39:00 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
To: Tijeras_Slim
You know full well my personal posting rule: Never post anything that lacks the potential for a 60-car pileup.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:40:15 AM PST
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does)
To: presidio9
If the South was within its rights to secede, then Lincoln was a cruel oppressor. I find nothing in the Constitution that precludes secession or enumerates a power to the Federal government to preclude it. Indeed, the fact that the Congress accepted Texas' specific reservation of that right in admitting it to the union belies any assertion to the contrary.
That said, that the article does not mention the way the South was paying 70% of the taxes shows that the author had no intention of a reasoned and balanced presentation.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:42:00 AM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
To: presidio9
I predict a long and protracted struggle.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:43:16 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
To: presidio9
...the power of the federal government to suspend habeas corpus in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety is clearly spelled out in Article 1, Section IX. And an insurrection of eleven states would certainly qualify as such. State governments are elected governments with sovereign rights.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:45:52 AM PST
by
MarineBrat
(Better dead than red!)
To: presidio9
If the South was within its rights to secede, then Lincoln was a cruel oppressor.Gee, he gets it.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:46:14 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
bump
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:46:34 AM PST
by
carton253
(Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
To: presidio9
First of all, was Lincoln in fact a tyrant? For me the root of such a characterization centers on the mans motivations.... It is true that Lincoln unilaterally suspended the writ of habeas corpus.....Constitutional minutia aside, the question remains whether or not Lincolns actions made him a tyrant.... ....A common blasé position among the Lew Rockwells of the world (a man who never felt the lash himself of course) is that slavery would have eventually died out as modernization overtook the antebellum Southern way of life.
Ping for later
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:47:01 AM PST
by
Alex Murphy
("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
To: MarineBrat
State governments are elected governments with sovereign rights. < SARCASM > That's racist! < /SARCASM >
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:48:29 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
To: presidio9
labeling of slavery as the casus belli of the Civil War ... Hence, maintaining the Union was his prime motivation...
Hmmm, a direct contradiction, in the first 2 paragraphs, not a good sign.
So was the slavery the casus belli, or was maintaining the Union?
Seems clear that Lincoln's reason for invading the South was to save the Union, NOT to end slavery.
Has the USA been less constitutional, and (much) more centralized on the federal government since? Yes. Absolutely.
To: central_va; presidio9
>> Lincoln was a cruel oppressor <<
Yep, I guess we gotta say he looks to have been "the original RINO."
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:49:31 AM PST
by
Hawthorn
To: presidio9
Given what a weakened state a split country would have placed us in as we moved into the industrial age, given the force for good that a united and powerful America has been in the world since Appomattox, and considering even his most brazen suspensions of Constitutional rights were temporary, and resulted in no one swinging from the gallows for their opposition to the war, I must support the actions of this great President who was ultimately motivated by love of country, not lust for power.
Isn't this a nice way of saying that the ends justify the means?
And, if so, I submit that the forces Lincoln put into motion, while perhaps partially freeing the slaves (only to put them into Jim Crow for decades, and then the fed plantation afterwards), have come to make slaves of all of us - to a tyrannical federal government and it's debt.
By that historical measure, I come to the opposite conclusion from the author.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:49:39 AM PST
by
chrisser
(Starve the Monkeys!)
To: Carry_Okie
the South was paying 70% of the taxes Care to break that down and clarify? Are you referring to the fact that the gentility feared manufacturing, so they had to import every single item they didn't grow or whip?
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:51:18 AM PST
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does)
To: central_va
Perhaps we should dig him up and do just that...
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:54:26 AM PST
by
rockrr
("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
To: mnehring; Jedidah; a fool in paradise
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:55:30 AM PST
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does)
To: Tijeras_Slim
The History channel ran a Gettysburg documentary just after the incessant shark steamer whatever this early morning.
I am a yank who lost three unknown great great uncles there, and it got me all amped up too.
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posted on
12/07/2010 11:55:38 AM PST
by
mmercier
(every time you stop to think about it...)
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