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To: jdege
the Constitution didn't create the Union, it had already been created - as an explicitly perpetual one.

Every State in the Union had surrendered its right to unilaterally secede.

State your sources. When and where did ANY state agree to create an "explicitely perpetual" union?

When and where has ANY state "surrendered its right to unilaterally secede?"

67 posted on 12/07/2010 12:44:32 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

Not perpetual, but the Articles of Confederation established a union that could only be broken by approval of Congress with ratification by all the state legislatures.

Although this is pre-Constitution, it does matter because Article 6 of the Constitution states: “All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.”


76 posted on 12/07/2010 12:54:05 PM PST by mnehring
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To: AnalogReigns

Correction, the Articles of Confederation did specifically state the term “perpetual union”.


89 posted on 12/07/2010 1:08:25 PM PST by mnehring
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To: AnalogReigns

See post %84.


90 posted on 12/07/2010 1:08:59 PM PST by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground - the Hogwarts of Stupid.)
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To: AnalogReigns

State your sources. When and where did ANY state agree to create an "explicitely perpetual" union?

When and where has ANY state "surrendered its right to unilaterally secede?"

The Articles of Confederation

Agreed to by Congress November 15, 1777; ratified and in force, March 1, 1781.

Article XIII. Every State shall abide by the determination of the united States in congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.

184 posted on 12/08/2010 5:30:10 AM PST by jdege
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