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Wikileaks: WMD program existed in Iraq prior to US invasion
Law Enforcement Examiner ^ | 7 December 10 | Jim Kouri

Posted on 12/07/2010 4:50:21 PM PST by LSUfan

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To: combat_boots
Elaborate please.

Did John Kerry and Hillary Clinton actually go to Turkey to persuade the Turkish government to double-cross the US? I know that we were planning to invade Iraq from the north until the Turks at the last minute refused to let us use their territory, but I guess I thought it was someone else, maybe the French, who got them to change their minds.

51 posted on 12/07/2010 5:37:14 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: dfwgator
Yes. I don't care what information he leaked, he still needs a bullet in the brain pan.

I care a great deal about what information he leaked, or didn't leak. The media and the leftist administration has all but convicted this man, this one man, while simultaneously ignoring all but a few tidbits of the now-public information. I really think that we need to look at this very carefully, and we need to look at ALL of it.

If the information that he allegedly released causes harm to ordinary American citizens and military personnel, then I'm strongly against it. On the other hand, if the information unveils illegal, unethical, or immoral activity by politicians or other government officials, then I'm in favor of its public release.

I don't know what all has been released, and I'll likely never find out. But I do know that a couple of things I've heard show that this may, in fact, be positive things. Vindicating Bush on the war in Iraq is a positive thing. Uncovering unethical behavior to forward the myth of global warming is another positive thing.

If what's been released puts a few dozen political thugs behind bars, then I'm all in favor of it.

Given who's screaming the loudest about these leaks, I'd venture to say that there's some very useful stuff in these files.

52 posted on 12/07/2010 5:41:23 PM PST by meyer (Hey Obama - It's the end of the world as you know it.... ..... and I feel fine!)
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To: GunsAndBibles
“Saddam gassed 5,000 Kurds in 1988. Never was any question in my mind about WMDs. Funny how this event never got a lot of mention...”

My thoughts exactly. The pictures are horrific. My speculation is the Saddam gas stockpile was either relocated or destroyed to embarrass the US President (back when we had one).

Obama is now endangering the region and the world by letting Iran go nuclear. Gas is horrible. Nukes are the endgame. I fear the Obama legacy will be the thousands or millions of people that will likely perish due to his ineptitude.

53 posted on 12/07/2010 5:46:03 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: LSUfan

My son’s unit, the 299th Army (Reserve) Engineers, MRB, OIF, seized caches of Iraqi arms and equipment on the eastern side of the Euphrates River near Hindaya including one which contained brand new chemical warfare suits (green). This occurred after April 3rd (2003) when they and the 54th Ordnance Engineers seized the main concrete bridge at Hindaya which enabled M1 Abrams tanks to drive on to Baghdad and end the formal war.

Enemy arms caches were marked for ordnance teams to deal with, either blowing them up or seizing the weapons.

What happened to these chemical suits is not known.

Saddam was prepared for anything and don’t let anyone tell you different.


54 posted on 12/07/2010 5:49:16 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: LSUfan

Let nobody forget, that Saddam Hussein admitted shortly before he was hung to his death, that he intentionally distorted and did everything he could to make the rest of the world believe that he had weapons of mass destruction. This was a defense tactic of his.

No matter. The left isn’t going to change the way they think, act, regardless. These types would have defended Hitler and Stalin just as adamantly.


55 posted on 12/07/2010 5:49:25 PM PST by Professional
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To: LSUfan

this info is nothing new to anyone that reads Worldnetdaily.


56 posted on 12/07/2010 5:52:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Gabrial

> “My speculation is the Saddam gas stockpile was either relocated or destroyed...”

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Relocated!

All of Sadam’s weapons were moved to the Bekaa valley in Lebanon during the first two days of the war. This was covered only by WND; no other news source would cover it.
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57 posted on 12/07/2010 5:56:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: stylin19a
Bradley Manning (the homosexual traitor in custody), stole them and then gave them to the anarchist bisexual Assange (accused of female rape).

Correction, attempting to keep the sexual perversions and capital crimes straight (pun intended).

58 posted on 12/07/2010 5:58:54 PM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: reefdiver
In my house Bush NEVER needed vindicating

Mine either.

59 posted on 12/07/2010 6:07:57 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I don’t think Manning stole them himself. I think he had help.

36 posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:16:53 PM by BigSkyFreeper


Damn straight he had help. The BO regime was the source of all the WikiLeaks up to Nov. 28.


60 posted on 12/07/2010 6:09:49 PM PST by FS11
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To: LSUfan

Ok, this begins to make sense. JA publishes a quarter million classified documents and imperils lives thereby, but he vindicates GWB on the issue of WMD, therefore Interpol was hunting him down to charge him with not using a fresh condom.


61 posted on 12/07/2010 6:09:59 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Grammar police off-duty. But I saw what you did.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
"You want to let him off the hook for theft of classified documents?"

I think that he is providing a valuable service. Someone should go to jail for providing access to the documents

I don't think you can blame him for not keeping secrets that drop in his lap. The people to blame are the ones who supplied the information, or hacked into restricted systems.

One could argue that once the documents left restricted space, they are in the public domain. You can't keep the genie in the bottle once that happens. Anyone who argues you can is on the path to censorship.
62 posted on 12/07/2010 6:14:24 PM PST by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
So...you so called “conservatives” still want to execute Assange, now?

The conservative movement is becoming corrupted by unending war and is on the verge of becoming outright militarist. So yeah, they still want to execute him.

63 posted on 12/07/2010 6:19:20 PM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: LSUfan

Bush was right!


64 posted on 12/07/2010 6:19:20 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: SparkyBass

Ugh. THIS is what we have as a frikkin’ ‘leader’.

Gawd help us.


65 posted on 12/07/2010 6:23:13 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Not under the influence of Hope-nosis.)
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To: MsLady
I never did believe that President Bush or his administration was lying about that.

Neither did I. The dishonesty was in his reason for invading Iraq. It wasn't really about WMD. What it was about is anyone's guess. All I know is that he was not telling the whole story when he addressed the American people with marbles in his mouth. (That's how you know he's lying).

66 posted on 12/07/2010 6:23:40 PM PST by giotto (Don’t look at the photo)
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bfl


67 posted on 12/07/2010 6:41:00 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: LSUfan; jveritas
 
No startling revelation there. The piles of captured docs that the DoD had made publicly available for anyone who would translate them told the tale years ago.
 
Many thanks and a tip 'o the hat to Mr. jveritas, wherever you are.
 

SADDAM REGIME WMD PROGRAMS: TRANSLATED DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW SADDAM REGIME CONTINUOUS WORK ON WMD PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES, AND DECEPTION OF THE U.N INSPECTORS ABOUT HIS WMD PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES.

Saddam WMD: Findings and Analysis Based on Captured Iraqi Documents (Part I)  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1822157/posts

September 1998 Document: Secret Research Programs Related to WMD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613509/posts

Iraqi Documents: Plans To Produce Prohibited Chemical Weapons Precursors  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1657480/posts

2002 Document: Request for Precursor That Can Be Used To Make VX Nerve Gas  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1695883/posts

2001 Top Secret Document: Production of Prohibited Nerve Gas Detectors  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624797/posts

2001 Document: Manufacturing of Chemical Warfare Decontamination Trailers  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1692741/posts

1999 Document Chemical Platoons Applied Training In Chemical Lab to Detect Nerve Agents, VX Agents.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612527/posts

2002 Document: Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631022/posts

2002 Document: Chemical Material Hidden Underground  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642403/posts

Summer 2002 Document: Destruction And Hiding of WMD Documents and Archives  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1614115/posts

1997 Document: Orders To Remove All Information Related To WMD From Computers  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611976/posts

2001 Iraqi Document: Saddam Approved the Re-Use of Nuclear Equipment  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1725141/posts

Iraqi Documents: Projects to Rebuild Saddam Nuclear Facilities  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718125/posts

Iraqi Documents Show Plans for Prohibited Nuclear Projects  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709390/posts

Document: Iraqi Dissident Talks About WMD Moved to Syria  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1671897/posts

Iraqi Documents Rebut the Senate Intelligence Report on WMD. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1703710/posts

1999, 2000 Iraqi memos: Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620565/posts

Undated Document: Change Chemical, Nuclear, And Missiles Sites for Fear of Western Attack http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1621334/posts

2001, 2002 Iraqi Memos: SECRET NUCLEAR PROJECT http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620262/posts

Document Dated February/3/2003: Chemical Gears for The Chemical Group  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603039/posts

Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections which include a story about WMD transfer to Syria  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603917/posts

 


68 posted on 12/07/2010 6:48:39 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: wastedyears

Why did Bush roll over and play dead on this. He had the documents.


69 posted on 12/07/2010 7:04:29 PM PST by Revel
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To: rdcbn; Protect the Bill of Rights
For some reason, Bush refused to stand up and fight against the media propaganda war to undermine the United States.

Carl Rove was his top advisor. That explains a lot of his bad decisions.

70 posted on 12/07/2010 7:08:50 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Ditto


71 posted on 12/07/2010 7:34:19 PM PST by Paul46360
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If Assange himself curiously goes missing, that won’t stop the other Assange’s out there from taking his place.

Exactly. Assange may be locked up now, but the idea won't die, and there are enough supporters that people will take his place and most likely one or more of them will succeed in being a lot more underground, decentralized and clever about it, too. And there will be sources that will feed (leak) to them. I don't see this going away when Assange goes away. I predict that it will for a while -- but then will re-emerge in some other, harder-to-prosecute form.

72 posted on 12/07/2010 7:35:56 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Verginius Rufus

I am finding references to the Democrat visit to Turkey hard to find. While I may be mistaken, I remember a news reoprt on Democrats going and wondering what was up, thinking them duplicitous at the time.


I do find the complaints about US-Turkish relations & negotiations:

http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2FidUSTRE53431V20090406&0=&1=0&4=76.181.111.98&5=76.181.111.98&9=31a3f63985474898923d04bfe495cb01&10=1&11=info.dogpl&13=search&14=374914&15=main-title&17=26&18=7&19=0&20=9&21=17&22=Av3VDewnYv4%3D&23=0&40=blrHuRxZzgSd%2F%2FlwTW19eA%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true


I did see this....
This Congressional delegation: “U.S. CONGRESS DELEGATION DUE TO TURKEY
WASHINGTON D.C, Feb 15 (A.A) - A delegation comprised of members of U.S. House of Representatives will visit Turkey in order to develop Turkish- American relations.

The delegation will be headed by Democrat Party deputy Robert Wexler and comprised of Republican Party deputy Kay Granger, Democrat Party deputy Jim Moran, Republican Party deputy Cliff Stearns and Tom Tancredo.

The congress members are expected to meet with President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, Parliament Speaker Omer Izgi, Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, Foreign Minister Ismail Cem and other high-level officials during their visit between February 16-22.

The U.S. parliamentarians will focus on the fight against terrorism and improvement of bilateral relations, particularly in defense and energy and take up Afghanistan, Turkish-Israeli relations, Iraq, Middle East, Balkans, Central Asia and Caucasus.

The delegation is also foreseen to hold contacts related with the Turkish- U.S. Economic Partnership Commission meeting scheduled to be held in Ankara between February 26-27.”

http://www.hri.org/news/turkey/anadolu/2002/02-02-15.anadolu.html

Also, Fedora has done some heavy lifting on Kerry...

“John Kerry vs. the War on Terror: Candidate Kerry’s Subversive Campaign
Original FReeper research | 11/01/2004 | Fedora

Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 11:27:09 AM by Fedora”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1264816/posts


“WASHINGTON — Three congressmen who raised eyebrows during a recent trip to Iraq repeated their assertions that the war drums in Washington are beating too loudly.

On Wednesday, Reps. David Bonior, D-Mich., and Jim McDermott, D-Wash.— who were joined by Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., on the trip — held a press conference to further their argument that the United States should allow more time for international diplomacy rather than rushing off to war.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,64657,00.html


McCain & Lieberman went, early in 2002:

“04 January 2002

Transcript: Press Briefing with Senators Lieberman, McCain in Turkey”

http://www.usembassy.it/file2002_01/alia/a2010404.htm

(By the way, Cem has since died)


Murtha was all wrapped up in things Turkish. that one Turkish rich guy, Gulen, lives in Pennsylvania & has Islamic militant organizations there. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/12/us/12iht-gulen.html?_r=1

Of course, I could just be wrong.


73 posted on 12/07/2010 7:36:18 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: MsLady

So in his interviews, President Bush says he was really upset about not finding the weapons. Can he defend himself now? I mean, when they find a meth lab, with no meth, but all the parts, and residue, it’s called a meth lab and don’t the owners go to jail?


74 posted on 12/07/2010 7:42:04 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Fedora

forgot to ping you. Apologies.


75 posted on 12/07/2010 7:43:04 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Assange is no patriot to anyone. He is an admitted anarchist who delights in destruction and chaos and doesn’t care who he hurts, even if it is millions of innocents.


76 posted on 12/07/2010 8:05:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: SunkenCiv

bflr


77 posted on 12/07/2010 8:06:46 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: MsLady

the question is...why, just a few weeks ago in an interview did bush say that he believed there had been WMD but turned out there wasn’t and he and everyone else had been wrong.


78 posted on 12/07/2010 8:08:59 PM PST by annelizly
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To: eaglesiniowa

I can believe it. It just makes sense, he was a crazy dictator and they’re all the same. I remember when my hubby was in the first Iraq war, he was the on the Independence. I was worried about it. I remembered what sadam had done to the Kurds and figured he wouldn’t waste a minute thinking about doing it to our troops. Thank God he didn’t.


79 posted on 12/07/2010 8:21:19 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: LSUfan
OLD NEWS

msnbc article

MERLN PDF document

cnn article

80 posted on 12/07/2010 8:23:26 PM PST by conservativeimage.com ("Uh let me be clear... Uh..." - President Barack Obama)
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To: LSUfan

Iraq had WMDs. Bush didn’t lie; The left and media did.

Nothing we didn’t already know. Next!


81 posted on 12/07/2010 8:26:56 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: LSUfan

We’ve known this for 20 years!


82 posted on 12/07/2010 8:27:28 PM PST by vigilante2 (Reelect Nobody)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Iraq had WMDs. Bush didn’t lie; The left and media did.

Nothing we didn’t already know. Next!

______________________________

WE knew it, but The Majority of the Sheep didnt because they listen to the Lame Stream.


83 posted on 12/07/2010 8:31:04 PM PST by Chickensoup (I am no longer Republican or Democrat, I am Conservative.)
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To: EBH

That’s just about the best explanation I’ve read as to why Bush didn’t loudly publicize the finding of WMDs.

But ... he says in his book that not finding WMDs was a disappointment.

???


84 posted on 12/07/2010 8:32:07 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Ramius

It was necessary and that’s exactly what President Bush did.


85 posted on 12/07/2010 8:42:50 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: LSUfan
I think we all knew this. I have been told this and that( see 2nd paragraph) have been laughed at, mocked, and worse by liberals. There were photos in the LA times with flatbeds full of liquid poisons, sarin gas, and whamo all disappeared. Then number one daughter joins IDF( no news from her, but when I visited a few others told me of how Syria has stockpiles besides their own plants). Mostly scuttlebutt however I remember articles during the "Food for oil " scandals and the Hans Blix lame UN Inspections( Saddam's multiple Chinese Fire Drills) in which there were truck loads of gas driven directly into Syria. Now why would Syria have thousands of gas tipped missiles pointed at Israel, and why is number one daughter working OT as a molecular biologist, umm better not say, but was working on sarin gas inoculations for the Israeli populace just two years ago. Now she says nothing, better that way anyway.

My take is Bush kept it secret of what he knew, and what was pretty widely well known in US and Israeli spec ops. Kept under wraps to trail the bad guys. Hush hush and all. I don't have proof, just rumors,hints, winks, and some verbals; oh and those pics in the LA Times and other newspapers( some caught at Jordanian border). Man I should have kept those pics, can't find a single one on the net and I've been searching for years( links anyone???). The Israeli words, well, I saw nothing, heard a lot, don't know if the missiles are 2,000 or 10,000 but it's enough; my mind is going, sorry.

86 posted on 12/07/2010 8:42:52 PM PST by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: FromLori

Interesting articles Lori. Thanks for mentioning.

Just cannot understand why many on here are so quick to off Assange...when most of what he reveals puts Liberals and Globalists in a very bad light. The real criminals here are the ones who gave the info to Assange...since they had the access

Soros isn’t helping Assange....Soros wants Assange eliminated.


87 posted on 12/07/2010 9:12:14 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Communist Chinese workers aren't paying for those welfare and unemployment benefits)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Yep. Then there was Tommy Franks who said in his book that he saw on satellite surveillance the convoys of trucks leaving suspected Iraqi chemical sites and followed them over the Syrian border and all the way to some depot in the Bakaa valley.

Then a couple of months later there was an Israeli airstrike on that location... obliterating the whole depot. Curiously enough, the Syrians made no protest at all following the airstrike. They were flat busted and they knew it. They couldn’t bitch about it without acknowledging what it was. Syria remained silent about the raid.

Curious, that.


88 posted on 12/07/2010 9:19:45 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: LSUfan
This will be the only Wikileaks data that was secret, became public, and will become secret again.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

89 posted on 12/07/2010 9:24:05 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: LSUfan; ex-Texan

Tractor trailer loads of Saddam’s chemical & biological weapons (so-called W.M.D, some of which Saddam had used to murder Kurds) were taken to Syria for a price, paid by the Assad régime to Saddam, prior to the U.S./U.K. Iraqi invasion to overthrow the brutal Baghdad dictatorship, which was a success.


90 posted on 12/07/2010 9:26:17 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Iraq had WMDs. Bush didn’t lie; The left and media did.

Well said!

91 posted on 12/07/2010 9:27:47 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
...Just cannot understand why many on here are so quick to off Assange...when most of what he reveals puts Liberals and Globalists in a very bad light...

That's easy. He has committed espionage by conspiring with a traitor to reveal classified information. The quality, quantity or content of the compromise is not important. Any compromise of any classified information carries the same penalty. In his case since he isn't a citizen of the U.S. it is espionage. This carries penalties up the the death penalty. It doesn't matter what was leaked to him. That most of it has been fairly pedestrian memos is irrelevant. He conspired to reveal classified information. Slam. Dunk.

92 posted on 12/07/2010 9:28:52 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

He conspired to reveal classified information. Slam. Dunk.

Ummmmm.... Ok, so say you were handed O’bam’bam’s birth certificate and it stated he was born in Kenya. Would you also be conspiring to reveal classified info if you gave it to elRushbo? Sorry, but fruit of a poisoned tree does not apply to this type of information.


93 posted on 12/07/2010 9:43:09 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

I, for one, am tired of the most anarchistic among us wrapping themselves in the mantle of “conservatism,” and pretending that they are the only true conservatives.

DG


94 posted on 12/07/2010 9:47:01 PM PST by DoorGunner
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To: MsLady

Someone should mail this tip to drudge and fox.


95 posted on 12/07/2010 10:05:30 PM PST by Stayfrosty
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To: LSUfan

Always thought Sadaam was similar to Hitler by killing his own citizens. That alone warranted action as it did during WWII. But I remember well the great FR threads with documents proving the presence of WMD while the media ignored it.

President Bush should have provided more details then, but what about the top GOP leaders? Wouldn’t they have known also, like those on the intelligence committees? Shouldn’t they have spoken up too at the time? Does anyone remember if any of them did?


96 posted on 12/07/2010 10:42:07 PM PST by Cedar
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To: shield

I think most of them would pull an Assange if they had the guts and the know-how.


97 posted on 12/07/2010 10:43:23 PM PST by ratsreek
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To: stillfree?

I recall that they did, but few picked up on it. The Bush administration didn’t push it.


98 posted on 12/07/2010 10:47:06 PM PST by ratsreek
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

I agree. It makes a lot of sense. Whether it’s actually true is another matter.


99 posted on 12/07/2010 10:59:03 PM PST by ratsreek
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Why would that information be classified? It wouldn’t be. If that information existed, it would be in the public domain.


100 posted on 12/07/2010 11:23:52 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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