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Posted on 12/07/2010 4:50:21 PM PST by LSUfan
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Did John Kerry and Hillary Clinton actually go to Turkey to persuade the Turkish government to double-cross the US? I know that we were planning to invade Iraq from the north until the Turks at the last minute refused to let us use their territory, but I guess I thought it was someone else, maybe the French, who got them to change their minds.
I care a great deal about what information he leaked, or didn't leak. The media and the leftist administration has all but convicted this man, this one man, while simultaneously ignoring all but a few tidbits of the now-public information. I really think that we need to look at this very carefully, and we need to look at ALL of it.
If the information that he allegedly released causes harm to ordinary American citizens and military personnel, then I'm strongly against it. On the other hand, if the information unveils illegal, unethical, or immoral activity by politicians or other government officials, then I'm in favor of its public release.
I don't know what all has been released, and I'll likely never find out. But I do know that a couple of things I've heard show that this may, in fact, be positive things. Vindicating Bush on the war in Iraq is a positive thing. Uncovering unethical behavior to forward the myth of global warming is another positive thing.
If what's been released puts a few dozen political thugs behind bars, then I'm all in favor of it.
Given who's screaming the loudest about these leaks, I'd venture to say that there's some very useful stuff in these files.
My thoughts exactly. The pictures are horrific. My speculation is the Saddam gas stockpile was either relocated or destroyed to embarrass the US President (back when we had one).
Obama is now endangering the region and the world by letting Iran go nuclear. Gas is horrible. Nukes are the endgame. I fear the Obama legacy will be the thousands or millions of people that will likely perish due to his ineptitude.
My son’s unit, the 299th Army (Reserve) Engineers, MRB, OIF, seized caches of Iraqi arms and equipment on the eastern side of the Euphrates River near Hindaya including one which contained brand new chemical warfare suits (green). This occurred after April 3rd (2003) when they and the 54th Ordnance Engineers seized the main concrete bridge at Hindaya which enabled M1 Abrams tanks to drive on to Baghdad and end the formal war.
Enemy arms caches were marked for ordnance teams to deal with, either blowing them up or seizing the weapons.
What happened to these chemical suits is not known.
Saddam was prepared for anything and don’t let anyone tell you different.
Let nobody forget, that Saddam Hussein admitted shortly before he was hung to his death, that he intentionally distorted and did everything he could to make the rest of the world believe that he had weapons of mass destruction. This was a defense tactic of his.
No matter. The left isn’t going to change the way they think, act, regardless. These types would have defended Hitler and Stalin just as adamantly.
this info is nothing new to anyone that reads Worldnetdaily.
> “My speculation is the Saddam gas stockpile was either relocated or destroyed...”
All of Sadam’s weapons were moved to the Bekaa valley in Lebanon during the first two days of the war. This was covered only by WND; no other news source would cover it.
Correction, attempting to keep the sexual perversions and capital crimes straight (pun intended).
I dont think Manning stole them himself. I think he had help.
36 posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:16:53 PM by BigSkyFreeper
Ok, this begins to make sense. JA publishes a quarter million classified documents and imperils lives thereby, but he vindicates GWB on the issue of WMD, therefore Interpol was hunting him down to charge him with not using a fresh condom.
The conservative movement is becoming corrupted by unending war and is on the verge of becoming outright militarist. So yeah, they still want to execute him.
Bush was right!
Ugh. THIS is what we have as a frikkin’ ‘leader’.
Gawd help us.
Neither did I. The dishonesty was in his reason for invading Iraq. It wasn't really about WMD. What it was about is anyone's guess. All I know is that he was not telling the whole story when he addressed the American people with marbles in his mouth. (That's how you know he's lying).
SADDAM REGIME WMD PROGRAMS: TRANSLATED DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW SADDAM REGIME CONTINUOUS WORK ON WMD PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES, AND DECEPTION OF THE U.N INSPECTORS ABOUT HIS WMD PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES.
Saddam WMD: Findings and Analysis Based on Captured Iraqi Documents (Part I) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1822157/posts
September 1998 Document: Secret Research Programs Related to WMD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613509/posts
Iraqi Documents: Plans To Produce Prohibited Chemical Weapons Precursors http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1657480/posts
2002 Document: Request for Precursor That Can Be Used To Make VX Nerve Gas http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1695883/posts
2001 Top Secret Document: Production of Prohibited Nerve Gas Detectors http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624797/posts
2001 Document: Manufacturing of Chemical Warfare Decontamination Trailers http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1692741/posts
1999 Document Chemical Platoons Applied Training In Chemical Lab to Detect Nerve Agents, VX Agents.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612527/posts
2002 Document: Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631022/posts
2002 Document: Chemical Material Hidden Underground http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642403/posts
Summer 2002 Document: Destruction And Hiding of WMD Documents and Archives http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1614115/posts
1997 Document: Orders To Remove All Information Related To WMD From Computers http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611976/posts
2001 Iraqi Document: Saddam Approved the Re-Use of Nuclear Equipment http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1725141/posts
Iraqi Documents: Projects to Rebuild Saddam Nuclear Facilities http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718125/posts
Iraqi Documents Show Plans for Prohibited Nuclear Projects http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709390/posts
Document: Iraqi Dissident Talks About WMD Moved to Syria http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1671897/posts
Iraqi Documents Rebut the Senate Intelligence Report on WMD. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1703710/posts
1999, 2000 Iraqi memos: Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620565/posts
Undated Document: Change Chemical, Nuclear, And Missiles Sites for Fear of Western Attack http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1621334/posts
2001, 2002 Iraqi Memos: SECRET NUCLEAR PROJECT http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620262/posts
Document Dated February/3/2003: Chemical Gears for The Chemical Group http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603039/posts
Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections which include a story about WMD transfer to Syria http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603917/posts
Why did Bush roll over and play dead on this. He had the documents.
Carl Rove was his top advisor. That explains a lot of his bad decisions.
Exactly. Assange may be locked up now, but the idea won't die, and there are enough supporters that people will take his place and most likely one or more of them will succeed in being a lot more underground, decentralized and clever about it, too. And there will be sources that will feed (leak) to them. I don't see this going away when Assange goes away. I predict that it will for a while -- but then will re-emerge in some other, harder-to-prosecute form.
I am finding references to the Democrat visit to Turkey hard to find. While I may be mistaken, I remember a news reoprt on Democrats going and wondering what was up, thinking them duplicitous at the time.
I do find the complaints about US-Turkish relations & negotiations:
The delegation will be headed by Democrat Party deputy Robert Wexler and comprised of Republican Party deputy Kay Granger, Democrat Party deputy Jim Moran, Republican Party deputy Cliff Stearns and Tom Tancredo.
The congress members are expected to meet with President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, Parliament Speaker Omer Izgi, Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, Foreign Minister Ismail Cem and other high-level officials during their visit between February 16-22.
The U.S. parliamentarians will focus on the fight against terrorism and improvement of bilateral relations, particularly in defense and energy and take up Afghanistan, Turkish-Israeli relations, Iraq, Middle East, Balkans, Central Asia and Caucasus.
The delegation is also foreseen to hold contacts related with the Turkish- U.S. Economic Partnership Commission meeting scheduled to be held in Ankara between February 26-27.”
Also, Fedora has done some heavy lifting on Kerry...
“John Kerry vs. the War on Terror: Candidate Kerry’s Subversive Campaign
Original FReeper research | 11/01/2004 | Fedora
Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 11:27:09 AM by Fedora”
On Wednesday, Reps. David Bonior, D-Mich., and Jim McDermott, D-Wash.— who were joined by Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., on the trip — held a press conference to further their argument that the United States should allow more time for international diplomacy rather than rushing off to war.”
“04 January 2002
Transcript: Press Briefing with Senators Lieberman, McCain in Turkey”
(By the way, Cem has since died)
Of course, I could just be wrong.
So in his interviews, President Bush says he was really upset about not finding the weapons. Can he defend himself now? I mean, when they find a meth lab, with no meth, but all the parts, and residue, it’s called a meth lab and don’t the owners go to jail?
forgot to ping you. Apologies.
Assange is no patriot to anyone. He is an admitted anarchist who delights in destruction and chaos and doesn’t care who he hurts, even if it is millions of innocents.
the question is...why, just a few weeks ago in an interview did bush say that he believed there had been WMD but turned out there wasn’t and he and everyone else had been wrong.
I can believe it. It just makes sense, he was a crazy dictator and they’re all the same. I remember when my hubby was in the first Iraq war, he was the on the Independence. I was worried about it. I remembered what sadam had done to the Kurds and figured he wouldn’t waste a minute thinking about doing it to our troops. Thank God he didn’t.
Iraq had WMDs. Bush didn’t lie; The left and media did.
Nothing we didn’t already know. Next!
We’ve known this for 20 years!
Iraq had WMDs. Bush didnt lie; The left and media did.
Nothing we didnt already know. Next!
WE knew it, but The Majority of the Sheep didnt because they listen to the Lame Stream.
That’s just about the best explanation I’ve read as to why Bush didn’t loudly publicize the finding of WMDs.
But ... he says in his book that not finding WMDs was a disappointment.
It was necessary and that’s exactly what President Bush did.
My take is Bush kept it secret of what he knew, and what was pretty widely well known in US and Israeli spec ops. Kept under wraps to trail the bad guys. Hush hush and all. I don't have proof, just rumors,hints, winks, and some verbals; oh and those pics in the LA Times and other newspapers( some caught at Jordanian border). Man I should have kept those pics, can't find a single one on the net and I've been searching for years( links anyone???). The Israeli words, well, I saw nothing, heard a lot, don't know if the missiles are 2,000 or 10,000 but it's enough; my mind is going, sorry.
Interesting articles Lori. Thanks for mentioning.
Just cannot understand why many on here are so quick to off Assange...when most of what he reveals puts Liberals and Globalists in a very bad light. The real criminals here are the ones who gave the info to Assange...since they had the access
Soros isn’t helping Assange....Soros wants Assange eliminated.
Yep. Then there was Tommy Franks who said in his book that he saw on satellite surveillance the convoys of trucks leaving suspected Iraqi chemical sites and followed them over the Syrian border and all the way to some depot in the Bakaa valley.
Then a couple of months later there was an Israeli airstrike on that location... obliterating the whole depot. Curiously enough, the Syrians made no protest at all following the airstrike. They were flat busted and they knew it. They couldn’t bitch about it without acknowledging what it was. Syria remained silent about the raid.
Tractor trailer loads of Saddam’s chemical & biological weapons (so-called W.M.D, some of which Saddam had used to murder Kurds) were taken to Syria for a price, paid by the Assad régime to Saddam, prior to the U.S./U.K. Iraqi invasion to overthrow the brutal Baghdad dictatorship, which was a success.
That's easy. He has committed espionage by conspiring with a traitor to reveal classified information. The quality, quantity or content of the compromise is not important. Any compromise of any classified information carries the same penalty. In his case since he isn't a citizen of the U.S. it is espionage. This carries penalties up the the death penalty. It doesn't matter what was leaked to him. That most of it has been fairly pedestrian memos is irrelevant. He conspired to reveal classified information. Slam. Dunk.
He conspired to reveal classified information. Slam. Dunk.
Ummmmm.... Ok, so say you were handed O’bam’bam’s birth certificate and it stated he was born in Kenya. Would you also be conspiring to reveal classified info if you gave it to elRushbo? Sorry, but fruit of a poisoned tree does not apply to this type of information.
I, for one, am tired of the most anarchistic among us wrapping themselves in the mantle of “conservatism,” and pretending that they are the only true conservatives.
Someone should mail this tip to drudge and fox.
Always thought Sadaam was similar to Hitler by killing his own citizens. That alone warranted action as it did during WWII. But I remember well the great FR threads with documents proving the presence of WMD while the media ignored it.
President Bush should have provided more details then, but what about the top GOP leaders? Wouldn’t they have known also, like those on the intelligence committees? Shouldn’t they have spoken up too at the time? Does anyone remember if any of them did?
I think most of them would pull an Assange if they had the guts and the know-how.
I recall that they did, but few picked up on it. The Bush administration didn’t push it.
I agree. It makes a lot of sense. Whether it’s actually true is another matter.
Why would that information be classified? It wouldn’t be. If that information existed, it would be in the public domain.