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Department of Transportation new rules will make cars more expensive
daily caller ^ | 12/7/10 | Jeff Winkler

Posted on 12/07/2010 9:36:26 PM PST by Nachum

Thought that new car was expensive now? Wait till the Department of Transportation implements its latest plan to protect Americans from themselves.

Last week, the department announced regulations that would require all new vehicles to install video cameras on their back bumpers. The idea is to make backing up safer, and it’s not optional. “To meet the requirements of the proposed rule,” reads a DOT release, “10 percent of new vehicles must comply by Sept. 2012, 40 percent by Sept. 2013 and 100 percent by Sept. 2014.”

Three years ago, Congress passed the Cameron Gulbransen Kids Transportation Safety Act, named after a Connecticut toddler whose father backed over him in the driveway. Video cameras are one consequence of the law. According to a spokesman for Ford, the cameras will cost consumers up to $400 apiece. The total cost of equipping the country’s vehicles could reach $2.7 billion.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: department; nannystate; new; rules; transportation

1 posted on 12/07/2010 9:36:34 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Another WTF issue to deal with... might as well live in a well-proven communist dump.


2 posted on 12/07/2010 9:39:13 PM PST by elpinta (TSA: Feds gone wild)
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To: Nachum

a cow-orker of mine was planning to install one on his motor home last week. Said they cost about $40.


3 posted on 12/07/2010 9:40:00 PM PST by Rio
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To: Nachum

Is this satire? Did W sign this bill?


4 posted on 12/07/2010 9:40:21 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Nachum

Oh goody. No thank you!

I have no intention of ever buying a new car ever again. Too expensive. And it is about to get a lot more expensive.

I’ll just continue to fix my old cars.


5 posted on 12/07/2010 9:40:54 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Rio

For some larger vehicles is a great idea indeed.
Issue I have is the ‘mandated’ nature of this crap, hope is coming from The Onion... but probably not.


6 posted on 12/07/2010 9:41:57 PM PST by elpinta (TSA: Feds gone wild)
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To: dhs12345

Yet another distraction for idiot drivers!


7 posted on 12/07/2010 9:42:08 PM PST by Never2baCrat
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To: Nachum
Thank you, your Flatulence!

If I throw in a chicken, can I get an exemption?

8 posted on 12/07/2010 9:44:09 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: Rio

The camera’s themselves don’t cost much but they do require a display to view them. That’s the pricey part. Dash’s re-engineered and wiring. $400 sounds about right.


9 posted on 12/07/2010 9:44:11 PM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Rio
I don't know where he was shopping. But here's one off of Amazon.com for $56.48

Don't get me wrong... I don't believe that these should be mandated for passenger vehicles. But I'm a techie and always impressed at the low prices of rather amazing technology these days.

10 posted on 12/07/2010 9:45:21 PM PST by Rio
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To: diverteach

It shouldn’t be too expensive. I have a nice little video display on my cell phone. Maybe get to twice that size for something like this to be useful.

You a SCUBA instructor?


11 posted on 12/07/2010 9:48:47 PM PST by Rio
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To: Rio

You a SCUBA instructor?

How’d ya guess?

My cover is blown!

Dam

LOL


12 posted on 12/07/2010 9:50:47 PM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Nachum
Let me know when Congress decides we need automatic butt wipers on our Toilets.

The same people I wouldn't trust to pick up my Dog's poo poo have nothing better to do than think up things like this?

You would think the Nation's Economy was humming along after the National Debt was paid in full, the Mideast was as peaceful as Gay Day at Disneyland and North Korea was the new Riviera.

13 posted on 12/07/2010 9:59:04 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Obama, Pelosi and Reid, the Axis of Fascism.)
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To: Rio
But here's one off of Amazon.com for $56.48

But please read the reviews. For example:

I liked it when I got it new. But it rained a couple weeks after being installed, an got full of water. [...]now I can't see anything in the monitor.

And here is another one, relevant to the discussion:

I have a friend who had an after market backup system in her Toyota Tacoma for $500+. The display (monitor) in her Toyota is in the center of the mirror. Her Toyota unit is no doubt "better quality"

I'm sure those Chinese toys for $56 won't even qualify under the new program. If the government mandates something, it also specifies the whole list of requirements and tests that manufacturers must meet. I'm sure things like IP67, night sensitivity, resolution, and focus distance will be all required.

14 posted on 12/07/2010 10:04:49 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Nachum

Bought the whole works for my truck nearly 2 years ago to help with backing up the boat at the launch (have a bed tool box which sometimes obstructs the view on certain boat launch angles). Installed it myself, easy, total cost $130.


15 posted on 12/07/2010 10:06:07 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: Nachum

I’ve seen wireless backup cameras for about $65. If someone really wants/needs one, they’re not that expensive. If they would make one with video capture so I can get the license number of that guy that’s tailgaiting me, now we’re talking.


16 posted on 12/07/2010 10:07:11 PM PST by smokingfrog ( ><{{{{{(0>)
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To: Nachum

I bought a new car that has one, and was very pleased with the idea, being a relatively new grandfather. However, there are a couple of drawbacks. First is that it has to “initialize’ before it comes on. This might amount to 15 seconds, and if you futz around a little bit starting up, you don’t notice it, but if you turn the key and put it in gear, you’re ten or fifteen feet out of the garage before it comes on. ( As a grandfather, I’ve been trying to condition myself to wait for it. )

Another thing is that it’s a distraction! It does guard against that dreadful possibility of running over your own grandchild playing behind the car ( if you wait, ) but it’s a very curious fish-eye perspective, and I actually bumped a chainlink fence having been emboldened by the view that made it seem I still had some distance. That “distance” was just a few inches and vanished in an instant. No harm done, but I wouldn’t have come within a foot of that fence without the camera.

Further, there’s the issue of cars and other obstacles along side of you when you want to turn. Having this second perspective definitely can distract you from the routine you probably have of orienting yourself wrt your surroundings. In fact, it’s surprisingly confusing. So I’d say it’s a very mixed blessing.


17 posted on 12/07/2010 10:11:02 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dhs12345

I hear you. I’m at 135,000 and hope to get 300,000 miles on my car.

The thought of going in debt to buy some outrageous priced car is crazy.


18 posted on 12/07/2010 10:16:24 PM PST by A message
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To: Nachum

This crap has gotta stop. If you want a backup camera, go down to Advance Auto Parts, buy one and put it in yourself. Government should butt out and leave us alone. There is a side of me that believes that all this hue and cry over human rights is just noise, there is one basic human right, the right to be left alone to pursue our lives and goals as long as we do not impose willingly on others as well as the right to defend ourselves if attacked.


19 posted on 12/07/2010 10:22:32 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: dhs12345
I have no intention of ever buying a new car ever again. Too expensive. And it is about to get a lot more expensive.

If ad when I need another vehicle, I'll have my boss at work (I work in an auto parts store) look for something simple like a 1980's era Chevy Cavalier/Celebrity (or related cars) that is still in good shape and just drive that and try to fix up my 1977 Mercury Cougar. Parts for those are common and I hope I find with with the 2.5 liter "Iron Duke."

I feel sorry for the poor kid that got run over, but his old man (and woman) is an oaf for not watching him. We had a 1968 Buick Wildcat when I was little, my parents always minded me around the car.
20 posted on 12/07/2010 10:27:12 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Nachum

Just another dictate from our alphabet soup overlords.


21 posted on 12/07/2010 10:30:17 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Nachum

I’m wondering what companies stand to gain from selling these cameras.


22 posted on 12/07/2010 10:35:39 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: elpinta

What happens to otherwise sane individuals when they win an election, get to Washington, and are installed in Congress? Is there something in the water? I mean, how do bills like these ever get majority votes for passage in both houses? Clearly lack of parental oversight, and careless driving habits, are to blame for accidents such as these, not the absence or presence of video cameras! No amount of mandated hardware is ever going to mitigate parental bad habits, laziness, haste, absent-mindedness and just plain carelessness .


23 posted on 12/07/2010 11:03:39 PM PST by 4Runner
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To: Nachum

The next rule should make every car a Porche 911.


24 posted on 12/07/2010 11:05:40 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bama thought he'd find "common ground" on 0bamaCare because of ROMNEYCARE!)
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To: AAABEST
I’m wondering what companies stand to gain from selling these cameras.

Five letters. Sounds like honey.
25 posted on 12/07/2010 11:06:34 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Uncle Miltie

PORSCHE! PORSCHE!

... please.


26 posted on 12/07/2010 11:23:42 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dhs12345

Well I will always be buying used anyway.


27 posted on 12/07/2010 11:42:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Nachum

Individual responsibility is omitted. Good drivers check to see if a kid is in the back before they back out of a driveway. A bumper camera will lead people to have a false sense of security. They don’t work all the time - especially at night. But try telling that to DOT bureaucrats.


28 posted on 12/07/2010 11:45:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nachum

Very few people are killed in backover accidents. The cost of equipping a car to prevent something that will likely never happen is crazy. Just now much do we want to spend to prevent every conceivable auto accident?


29 posted on 12/07/2010 11:48:20 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I’m a free market guy and don’t like the idea of government dictating what should be made and the regulatory democracy nauseates me. But these cameras, when combined with sensors are really fabulous. They definitely increase safety. But the industry is well on its way to adopting this technology and didn’t need to be told to do it. You find them on most mini-vans, crossovers and suv’s. This is clearly a case of the government getting ahead of the curve and trying to look like its leading.


30 posted on 12/08/2010 3:12:21 AM PST by appeal2 (Don't steal, the government hates competition.)
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To: Nachum

Par for the course. 1 idiot does something stupid, and everyone is to blame. It’s yet another sign of stinking liberalism.


31 posted on 12/08/2010 3:34:29 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Nowhere Man
Yup. I have a 93 4Runner with the 22R engine. I expect to get 300K miles. My other car, a Neon, will probably fall apart but it is cheap to repair.
32 posted on 12/08/2010 7:01:46 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: A message

A new trend and it doesn’t bode well for car companies. For years they have come up with creative ways to make cars affordable. Cars are just too expensive.


33 posted on 12/08/2010 7:07:37 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Secret Agent Man

Very wise.


34 posted on 12/08/2010 7:09:25 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: goldstategop
Very few people are killed in backover accidents. The cost of equipping a car to prevent something that will likely never happen is crazy. Just now much do we want to spend to prevent every conceivable auto accident?

KLBJ in Austin had this on last week. They quoted a total of 292 people are killed in the US by drivers backing up. I wanted to call in and ask if anyone in this area ever goes to defensive driving schools any more. I do it for a 10% reduction on insurance.

One of the things they teach in EVERY class, is to back into parking spaces and driveways, since you know it is empty. Then you can safely pull forward when leaving. Also, pull through one parking space into the front one, if there are no curbs or parking blocks. Believe me, I HUNT for those, even if they are a long way from the store entrance.

35 posted on 12/08/2010 7:31:13 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Whether corruption is in politics, science, education, research, etc., always follow the money.)
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To: AAABEST

Probably companies owned by some buddies of Zero the Magnificent.


36 posted on 12/08/2010 9:02:35 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: dhs12345
Yup. I have a 93 4Runner with the 22R engine. I expect to get 300K miles. My other car, a Neon, will probably fall apart but it is cheap to repair.

Good. Yeah, I have a 1994 Ford Explorer, it has issues with it, lots of them. If I had to come down to a car, I would consider something older but more popular (for parts) and cheaper to maintain since I only have limited means. I should have kept Mom's 1989 Buick Skylark for me, basically it was a Cavalier with a Buick body and it had the Iron Duke engine.
37 posted on 12/08/2010 1:07:31 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: dhs12345
A new trend and it doesn’t bode well for car companies. For years they have come up with creative ways to make cars affordable. Cars are just too expensive.

On Facebook, Subaru had an ad campaign featuring a car called the "2011 Mediocrity." When you look at it, it isn't such a bad idea to make a basic car line and only that for people who are of limited means and/or just want basic transportation, like the certain sects of the Amish that do drive cars. Basically, it should have automatic transmission, AM/FM radio and A/C and not much beyond that.

2011 Mediocrity on Facebook

I'd buy one.
38 posted on 12/08/2010 1:12:58 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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LOL. And only $25,000 (starting). What a steal. Unfortunately, there aren't any dealers near me. Darn.

Like the quiz. Lol.

Which would you prefer to visit?

* Iceland
* Las Vegas

A few of my favorite things are:

* Folding envelopes
* Rock and roll music

I like to sleep in:

* Flannel pajamas
* The nude

......

Is this where I admit that I owned a “K” car? :)

*******

Seriously, lol, if I can be at this point...

Who really needs electric locks and windows. And a standard transmission is just fine for me. And airconditioning may be optional in some more northern states. I live in Colorado.

Just don't compromise on quality. I am tired of a car wearing out shortly after 100K miles. I expect a car to last well above 200K miles if I maintain it properly. But that defeats the purpose, doesn't it. Means they can sell fewer cars.

BTW, I own a Model A. About as basic as you can get.

39 posted on 12/08/2010 1:47:16 PM PST by dhs12345
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