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Democrats to draw line at estate tax after Obama’s deal with Republicans
The Hill ^ | 12/7/2010 | Russell Berman and Mike Lillis

Posted on 12/08/2010 7:52:40 AM PST by Qbert

House Democratic leaders unhappy with the tax-cut deal President Obama struck with Republicans are signaling they will try to draw the line at a GOP-favored proposal for the estate tax.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Tuesday escalated the Democratic criticism of the agreement and said the estate-tax provision was “a bridge too far.”

The comments by Pelosi and other party leaders reflected widespread anger among House Democrats at the president for caving too early, by their characterization, and essentially leaving them out of final negotiations with Republicans.

While Pelosi retains the Speaker’s gavel for nearly another month, the tax-cut endgame offered a sobering glimpse at life in the House minority, and House Democrats entered a Tuesday night caucus meeting unsure of their leverage in the tax debate.

With Republican support and a few dozen conservative Democrats already on the record supporting a temporary extension of all the Bush-era tax cuts, the deal conceivably could pass without a majority of the House Democratic Caucus. Democrats are most strongly opposed to the extension of tax cuts for the wealthy, but their focus on the estate tax could provide a more realistic opportunity to tweak the proposal.

Pelosi, speaking to reporters for the first time since Obama announced the tentative agreement on Monday, acknowledged there was “unease” within the Democratic ranks about the deal.

“We are listening to what our caucus has to say, but so far, the response has not been very good,” the Speaker said after a leadership meeting in her office.

The Obama-GOP agreement sets the inheritance tax at 35 percent for individuals bequeathing more than $5 million to their heirs. The Democratic-controlled House passed a bill in 2009 that would set the estate tax at 45 percent and start the exemption at $3.5 million. There is no estate tax in 2010.

“We believe the estate tax in the bill is a bridge too far,” the Speaker said. That provision shifts the balance in the agreement to Republicans and “ends any kind of symmetry between the two sides.”

Two other House Democratic leaders — Reps. George Miller (Calif.) and Chris Van Hollen (Md.) — denounced the inheritance provision.

“The estate tax is just gratuitous,” said Miller, a close Pelosi ally.

Van Hollen, the assistant to the Speaker and the House Democratic negotiator on taxes, noted the estate-tax provision would cost $68 billion over the next two years.

“I have very, very serious reservations with this deal,” he said. “I’m certainly not in a position to recommend this to my colleagues, I’ll tell you that.”

Van Hollen warned that the tax package is not final until the lower chamber endorses it.

“The House never signed off on this, so it’s certainly not a done deal,” Van Hollen told The Hill.

The chairwoman of the House Rules Committee, Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.), also excoriated the agreement with Republicans.

“I don’t agree with this. I think the president’s wrong,” Slaughter said. “I’m sorry that we couldn’t have held on there for a little while until we all got to talk about it, but obviously he couldn’t.”

As she did in a written statement earlier Tuesday, Pelosi strongly defended the Democratic proposals in Obama’s compromise and denounced the GOP-favored provisions, principally a temporary extension of tax cuts for high earners.

“On the Democratic side, you have stimulus, you have job creation, you have growth for the economy,” Pelosi said. “On the Republican side, you have no creation of jobs and an increase in the deficit. So we have some unease with the proposal.”

Democratic leaders acknowledged they were not involved in the negotiations Obama conducted with Republicans over the weekend. Asked if the House was adequately included in the talks, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) replied: “I don’t think House Democrats think so.”

Hoyer said earlier Tuesday that the House wants the Senate to act first on the tax-cut proposal. In what amounted to a symbolic vote, the House last week approved an extension of tax cuts only for middle-income Americans, but Senate Democrats were unable to overcome a Republican filibuster. Hoyer defended the House vote, saying the move “wasn’t specious at all.”

“That bill reflected the priorities of the Democratic Caucus,” he said. “That was our priority. We sent that bill to the Senate.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: death; estate; estatetax; greed; pelosi; tax; taxes

1 posted on 12/08/2010 7:52:47 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

How about all estates paying the same rate as Ted Kennedy’s estate pays? I remember the YouTube video of someone cornering him and asking about all his family trusts. Classic.


2 posted on 12/08/2010 7:55:02 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: All

The estate tax provision was never on anyone’s radar screen. It was thrown in SOLELY to provide something to negotiate away and get votes.

This is all silliness. Just refuse any and all DEBT CEILING INCREASES and the problems explode short term and are solved long term.


3 posted on 12/08/2010 7:58:14 AM PST by Owen
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To: Owen

However, if the House Dems balk at it..it give the House GOP the excuse to walk away fromt he deal..which they will do..


4 posted on 12/08/2010 8:00:20 AM PST by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: Qbert

Proving yet again that “bipartsanship” to Democrats is a 70/30 deal in their favor.

Maybe it’s time to say “screw it” and pull R support and let Obama carry his own water with his own party. I don know...keeping the Bush tax rates is the right thing for American families, but not at ANY cost.

We should be getting MORE not less out of this deal.


5 posted on 12/08/2010 8:00:24 AM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: Qbert

what makes Government think it is so entitled?


6 posted on 12/08/2010 8:00:39 AM PST by dalebert
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To: Qbert

I really believe the republicans just threw OZERO a life line....There was to be NO compromise, and they failed to heed the voice of the people. If the pubs would have kept their promise, OFOOL and the RATS would have sunk quicker than the titanic in the ocean of public approval! The snake grew another head and this one is going to be extremely dangerous with the help of the mediaWHORES of course! I for one am very disappointed! Forget men for they shall fail you, BUT God will always be there...”KEEP YOUR EYES SOLELY FOCUSED ON THE LORD AT ALL TIMES”!


7 posted on 12/08/2010 8:00:46 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: cvq3842
The republicans need to answer every time tax cuts for the rich is brought up with “We think the rich democrats should stop whining about tax cuts and just pay their taxes”, i.e. Geitner, Rangel, and all of those other tax cheating clowns.
8 posted on 12/08/2010 8:02:23 AM PST by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: Qbert

No deal if any changes.

Wait to January when we have power.


9 posted on 12/08/2010 8:02:53 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: dalebert

Plank #3 of the Communist Manifesto.

Elimination of all rights of inheritance.


10 posted on 12/08/2010 8:04:00 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: cvq3842

Classic. This is simply a ‘jobs’ bill for estate attorneys/planners and life insurance salesman.

Buffett/Gates crowd will not pay ANY inheritance taxes I bet.


11 posted on 12/08/2010 8:07:15 AM PST by griswold3 (Employment is off-shored, away from govt. regulations, price pressure groups, and liabilities.)
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To: Qbert

UMGRELLAGATE


12 posted on 12/08/2010 8:07:42 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

“No deal if any changes.
Wait to January when we have power.”

Agree.

Plus, that way, it would be the GOP that tried to be “bi-partisan” (for those who are concerned with that word- whatever it really means...), and work with the president on the original compromise proposal, but the hyper-partisan Dems in Congress ruined it.


13 posted on 12/08/2010 8:09:50 AM PST by Qbert
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To: cvq3842
Kennedys...

I still think it was “magical” that when the mother, Rose, died, she was a full-time Florida resident, even though she didn't leave the state of Massholechusetts for at least the last 10 years of her life.

I know snowbirds who make damn sure they aren't in this state more than 182 days a year just so they don't “qualify” as MA residents: that means a slew of taxes, RomneyCare requirements, etc. kick in.

But then, laws and taxes are for the little people.

14 posted on 12/08/2010 8:10:03 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Qbert
Van Hollen, the assistant to the Speaker and the House Democratic negotiator on taxes, noted the estate-tax provision would cost $68 billion over the next two years.

Yeah, because not confiscating assets from dead people would cost the government money.

15 posted on 12/08/2010 8:12:04 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree ( Obama joined the Tea Party. His favorite brand: Constant Commie.)
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To: Qbert

Democrats: Not happy until they get the quarters off the dead man’s eyes.


16 posted on 12/08/2010 8:12:32 AM PST by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: RoseofTexas

Well, whatever they’re going to do..or not do, they have on or about the 15th to get it done before the market biggies and even little people start selling off assets ahead of tax season.

I’m inclined to say the Hell with it and go home for the holidays if Dems don’t take this deal as is. This is a take it or leave it. If Pelosi and her crowd want to pull a scorced Earth trick, let them. And let them hang in the next session.

And absolutely NO negotiating on DREAM, START or any othe package until the next Congress is in session.


17 posted on 12/08/2010 8:14:05 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Qbert
A lady called the Don and Roma radio show yesterday morning re the estate tax, which she faced after a death years ago when the tax was full force. Apparently, they had nine months to pony it up. Think how long lots of homes or other properties remain unsold, even after listing. And the survivors don't have all the information about each and every possession right at hand in many, if not most cases. Lord, when my MIL passed, we didn't touch a thing for well over a year, except to check that the place was still standing and secure. It is creepy to deal with such things when still in fresh mourning.
18 posted on 12/08/2010 8:19:12 AM PST by gloryblaze (No tag yet)
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To: keepitreal
Watching Fox this Am, this is a feign by the Dems, they just like Bambi know their t*t is in a wringer. They kibosh the deal and in January the Republicans can hammer the President with a worse deal that makes the rates permanent. Funny when you are too cute by 1/2 and rely on polls and political strategies instead of common sense and doing what is right. Obama will twist some arms to get The Witch to sign on. The bill will pass with just enough Dems and Harry aka Barry's Butt Boy will sail it through the Senate. He hung them out to dry. Pelosi wants to get stupid, her party and president will be looking at an even more moribund economy in 2012 and be completely voted out. There is only one play, pass the bill Nancy and shut your piehole.
19 posted on 12/08/2010 8:21:01 AM PST by pburgh01
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To: Qbert

I have never won anything but peanut money from a lottery. However it has always bugged me as to by what rights does the government have to take someones winnings which the government had no part in except by the wildest of social stretching? The point being that government should never extract from persons that for which the person did not get government services.


20 posted on 12/08/2010 8:22:55 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

A high estate tax is more damaging to small business, and hence employment, than a high income tax. But then the Dims WANT to destroy family farms and businesses.


21 posted on 12/08/2010 8:22:58 AM PST by Poincare
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To: ken5050
However, if the House Dems balk at it..it give the House GOP the excuse to walk away fromt he deal..which they will do..

That would be a good outcome, IMO. Let rates go up for everyone and we'll have the next Congress deal with it.

22 posted on 12/08/2010 8:25:09 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Qbert
Keep drawin’ the lines you Communists in Democrat clothing.
You’ll have to keep drawing lines that I hope Republicans ignore!

We should not be negotiating with the enemies within that promote Marxism

23 posted on 12/08/2010 8:27:32 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Qbert
Meanwhile.....

Members of US Congress Get Richer Despite Sour Economy

24 posted on 12/08/2010 8:29:14 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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To: cvq3842
Republicans should fire back at libdems and their estate-tax advocates by suggesting they disallow donations of fortunes into tax free foundations (as done by Gates and Buffett) without first paying the estate-tax equivalent on the value of the gift. This should be retroactive by the way.

It's only fair.

25 posted on 12/08/2010 8:36:12 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Qbert; dixiechick2000; Yudan; stephenjohnbanker

Let me tell anyone here how it feels to have just got slammed with this:

My dad died and left our family business in 1997. There were almost no estate exemptions then and we had to sell the businesses eventually to pay the then 50 or 55% tax...

Flash forward to 2008. My mom dies. She had some exemptions. and had gifted some college money to her grandkids.

Her tax bill was 1.4 million over the exemption. She left a life insurance policy of 850,000. I had to leverage my business to satisfy the taxes or the government would have simply seized and auctioned some properties which we had to sell anyhow.

All this was valued at time of death when values were still fairly high. All those assets ..land, vacation home, bank stock are worth about 50% today what they were then.

Long story short. Death taxes cost her heirs around 2M net versus 2010 or today’s deal which would have put us near or under the exemption ...

and I’m still left owing some death tax a little....

it’s a good thing I have several of my own ventures too but I’ve milked them to pay Uncle Sam..

it’s a damn racket...and we fell right on the line ...just above total exemption levels to get pinched...someoene with 10-20 million or truly rich could still be rich

you get taxed like this and you are just above the line and you basically get your family wealth snuffed

now I better figure out how to protect my family better and I’m not a fraction the success my dad is....you know how....put all you can in your kids names and don’t get a fancy CPA looking to cover his ass first....just do things slow and careful...in 20 years...nobody will know the difference

rant off/...it’s been a nightmare....God bless my folks ..my dad did not work hard all his life to leave most of it to an entitlement society but sadly that is about what happened

it chaps me to see billionaires claim it’s just fine to strip my family’s fortune to pay for a bloated government which is killing America when they can clip off 50% and still have more money than God.

2 million for them is yearly jet charter change, for us it was a cornerstone for a jumpstart for grandkids


26 posted on 12/08/2010 8:38:30 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: Qbert

Will just one Liberal explain the need to tax someone upon death? After all, taxes have been paid for years on that earned income and capital gains, why is there a need to tax even more on the same money? Could it be Liberal greed and simply the transfer of wealth?


27 posted on 12/08/2010 8:41:47 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: cvq3842
Here's your video.
28 posted on 12/08/2010 8:44:06 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Qbert
Little communists witch Pelosieeeee still at it. Damn this hag is pure insane garbage.
29 posted on 12/08/2010 8:50:00 AM PST by Logical me
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To: wardaddy

I’m really sorry to hear this, wardaddy.

There’s absolutely no justification for breaking up successful small family businesses, especially with our unemployment woes. Even looking at things from a tax-revenues standpoint alone, the amount of revenues that could be generated in the future by keeping businesses going will far exceed the one-time tax hit under the estate tax.

I really hope the GOP starts to change the way it talks about these issues, and shows the real suffering that these ridiculous estate tax policies cause, instead of getting caught in the class-warfare “tax cuts for the wealthy” trap.


30 posted on 12/08/2010 9:01:31 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert
The "Democrats" all quoted in this article are straight up marxists and members of the marxist "Congressional Progressive Caucus"

The right needs to institute a policy of ZERO TOLERANCE FOR MARXISTS IN CONGRESS.

CPC members need to be hunted down like the degenerate communist animals they are and jailed for subversion and grand theft.

Letting these people walk around as if they are ordinary Americans is a serious mistake.

31 posted on 12/08/2010 9:24:39 AM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Poincare

Go back to the 70’s when family farm after family farm had to be broke up or sold outright to pay the death tax.


32 posted on 12/08/2010 9:25:55 AM PST by lakeman (Semper Fi)
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To: GOPsterinMA

No level of ANY gov’t should be allowed to tax a dead mans estate, let the Buffets, Gates etal write a check to the gov’t if they so desire.


33 posted on 12/08/2010 11:20:05 AM PST by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: Waco

Amen to that!!!


34 posted on 12/08/2010 11:21:37 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Sgt_Schultze

thanks


35 posted on 12/08/2010 12:00:47 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: MrB

ya ... weiner said today that its all unearned income. heirs not worthy but he is. dead people should not care if politicians take it all.


36 posted on 12/08/2010 7:41:08 PM PST by dalebert
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To: wardaddy; Qbert

Bumping both of your posts.

Did either of you hear the Weiner’s interview on this subject with Megyn Kelly? There was a time when she would have reached through the camera lens, and ripped his heart out.

She’s going soft...


37 posted on 12/10/2010 12:11:41 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: pburgh01
They kibosh the deal and in January the Republicans can hammer the President with a worse deal that makes the rates permanent.

Making the rates permanent would require not only passage in the House but 60 votes in the Senate, plus the President's signature.

How is the GOP House going to accomplish all of that?

38 posted on 12/10/2010 12:31:21 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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