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WikiLeaks releases nearly impossible to stop
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/8/10 | Andrew Ross

Posted on 12/08/2010 8:14:23 AM PST by SmithL

Sen. Dianne Feinstein wants to prosecute Julian Assange for espionage.

The founder of WikiLeaks "intentionally harmed the U.S. government," says Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee. By releasing 250,000 State Department cables, he also violated the 1917 Espionage Act by transmitting "information which the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation," Feinstein, D-Calif., charged in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece Tuesday.

To John Perry Barlow, co-founder of San Francisco's Electronic Frontier Foundation, "The first serious infowar is now engaged. The field of battle is WikiLeaks." The Mill Valley resident (according to his Facebook profile) tweeted to followers: "You are the troops."

If there's any doubt which side Barlow is on, he helpfully provides a list of "mirror" sites that carry the material originally posted on the disabled WikiLeaks official site. "Let a thousand mirrors shine," Barlow tweeted.

On the other hand, Larry Sanger, co-founder of San Francisco's Wikipedia (no relation), says Assange is "an international outlaw," and believes the New York Times and other papers that have taken feeds from WikiLeaks have "done something that could be really damaging to the United States."

And so it goes.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 12/08/2010 8:14:25 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Demopublicans against Wikileaks.


2 posted on 12/08/2010 8:14:59 AM PST by Captain Kirk (Q)
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To: SmithL

Not without siezing control of the internet.


3 posted on 12/08/2010 8:18:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SmithL

...jokers

..current policy from the white house.....

I am fearful that Obama will continue on through the Wicked Gate without impeachment....
This is all deliberate, maliciously intended and purposeful in Obamas nefarious agenda of bringing down the west. Take down America, the leader, and the rest follows. Assange is just a little player like Rosa Brooks but cumulatively they have their effect. For Asssange? Obama eased his path. Much like Obama is easing the path for the OIC based UN to come into the US to hunt “War Criminals”.
America has been thoroughly infiltrated and its natural defenses penetrated to the nth degree with Obama collaborators.
Obama , culturally never was an American as he carries many chips on his shoulder and as we see from his old culture at many levels. He feels for his Kenyan identity, he feels for his muslim identity, and he feels his angst against white and America....

On top of it, Obama is a Muslim wanabe or Wahabe, I call him a ghazi.

“One of the prettiest sounds on earth” is the Muslim call to prayer at sunset.
Barack Hussein Obama as quoted by Nicholas D. Kristof in the New York Times - March 6, 2007

• The FIRST thing Obama did as a newly elected Illinois State Senator was to attempt to declare a Muslim holiday. Obama sponsored Bill SR0110 in the 90th General Assembly to declare November 1, 1997 to be Islamic Community Center Day. It did not pass.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900SR0110.html
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/srgroups/sr/900SR0110LV.html

• His biological father was a Muslim.
http://www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/?title=Barack_Obama%2C_Sr.&src=abop&qpvt=barack+obama+seniot&q=barack+obama+senior&fwd=1

• Because his biological father was a Muslim the Islam world thinks he is a Muslim.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/08/obama_is_a_muslim_18_24_or.html?hpid=topnews
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

• His stepfather was a Muslim.
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

• As a child Barry was enrolled in school as a Muslim in Jakarta Indonesia. An Indonesian Madrasa.
• Barack Hussein Obama’s first and middle names are Arabic Muslim names.
Barack was the name for Mohammad’s horse. Husein, enough said.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700246419/Barack-Muhammads-horse.html
http://sanooaung.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/will-be-obama-with-us-muslims-as-the-meaning-of-his-name-in-persian-language/

• Obama recited the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer, which includes a vow of fidelity to Islam, in flawless Arabic on a radio program. - Nikolos Kristoff, NYTs, 3-06-07 (***this one is a gottcha moment***)
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3413/pub_detail.asp
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11679

• On that same program he said he thinks the call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on earth.”
http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/obama-muslim-call-to-prayer-one-of-the-prettiest-sounds-on-earth/
http://caosblog.com/archives/7373

• Obama belonged to Rev. Wright’s (a former Muslim) church for twenty years. Many congregants are Muslims.
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/20/rev-wright-got-his-masters-degree-in-islam-in-west-africa/
http://endtimes.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/289

• Obama’s said that the U.S. is “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9959057/Barack_Hussein_Obama_US_one_of_the_largest_Muslim_countries_in_the_world/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/obama_america_one_of_the_large_1.asp

• Obama holds Muslim celebrations in the WH but canceled the National Day of Prayer.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1724544/obama_cancels_national_day_of_prayer.html?cat=9
http://www.exposeobama.com/

• President Obama’s religious adviser, Eboo Patel, once deemed the United States “the ideal place for the renewal of Islam.”

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/-obama-tells-egyptian-foreign-minister-i-am-a-muslim-stealth-coup-on-the-white-house.html

• Obama does not give gifts on Christmas.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12035.html

• Obama doesn’t celebrate his birthday.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/a-tough-birthday-for-obama/

• Obama falsely attributes Muslim participation in the founding of America.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7041/pub_detail.asp

• Obama required that the cross be covered when he gave a speech at Notre Dame.
http://blog.acton.org/archives/9843-notre-dame-georgetown-and-president-obama.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/11/opinion/main5006203.shtml
http://dougpowers.com/2009/04/17/obamas-jesus-coverup/

• Christian symbol covered up during Obama’s Georgetown speech
http://myfaithspace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-covers-christ-and-cross
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46667

• Obama’s first major speech in office was a “Muslim outreach” speech in Cairo Egypt.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8083171.stm

• “The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV.
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/bombshell-egyptian-foreign-minister-ahmed-aboul-gheit-says-on-egyptian-tv-%e2%80%9cthe-american-president-told-me-in-confidence-that-he-is-still-a-muslim-%e2%80%9d/
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=166905

• Obama gave strong support to the Cordoba House community center and mosque to be built at the Ground Zero site of Sep. 11, 2001 at a dinner celebrating the day’s end of the first day of Ramadan at the WH.
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/president-obama-supports-ground-zero-mosque/19593492?ncid=webmail

• Obama tasked NASA with a mission of “Muslim outreach.”
http://technology.newsplurk.com/2010/07/nasa-and-islam.html

• Obama referred to his faith as “my Muslim faith” gaffe in an interview with George Stephanopolous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

• Pushes Islamic freedom of religion but not Jewish or Christian freedoms. Several weeks ago he told Israel NOT to build settlements in East Jerusalem. But OK to build that Mosque at Ground Zero.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7514285/Israel-spits-in-Obamas-eye-by-announcing-new-settlements-in-east-Jerusalem.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/24/barack-obama-israel-settlement-plan

All this brings on a interesting question... how can America have any struggle against Islam, or protect herself with the most powerful muslim in the world sitting in the White House?

Be wary, wary aware ....and wary, wary afraid...get prepared for more creeping sharia...more than what is coming out of the White House today


4 posted on 12/08/2010 8:18:59 AM PST by himno hero
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To: SmithL

“The founder of WikiLeaks “intentionally harmed the U.S. government,” says Feinstein”

Good ole John Wayne Feinstein rides again!

Of course, we will see what happens when the little twink that actually STOLE the information is prosecuted.

Me thinks SanFran Diane will suddenly go silent.


5 posted on 12/08/2010 8:21:37 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: SmithL

He can take his place in the line behind most of the congresscritters and senators.


6 posted on 12/08/2010 8:22:49 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SmithL
To John Perry Barlow, co-founder of San Francisco's Electronic Frontier Foundation, "The first serious infowar is now engaged. The field of battle is WikiLeaks." The Mill Valley resident (according to his Facebook profile) tweeted to followers: "You are the troops."

He's engaging in criminal conspiracy to propagate stolen documents.

Knock on his door today.

7 posted on 12/08/2010 8:27:19 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: cripplecreek
Not without siezing control of the internet.

Like law enforcement agencies haven't been able to successfully prosecute those who host or download other illegal content from the web... < /sarcasm >

There is no WILL to prosecute these traitors.

8 posted on 12/08/2010 8:28:47 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: a fool in paradise

If one of the wikileaks documents turns out to be a pirated copy of “Titanic”, we may be able to nail this guy!!!


9 posted on 12/08/2010 8:34:10 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: SmithL

WikiLeaks only exposed more of our corrupt Federal Government . We knew already that Washington is so rotten corrupt that they are destroying our Country. I do not agree with WikiLeaks but it has woken up the dead heads in America. Perhaps that is the catalysts that will save America. WikiLeaks is a two sided sword and both sides of the issue maybe are right. Maybe two wrongs are?????????????


10 posted on 12/08/2010 8:42:44 AM PST by Logical me
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To: SmithL

In my humble opinion, Wikileaks and any media that prints the stolen information is guilty of trafficking in stolen property. At the least they should be prosecuted for that. They should also be held responsible for any actions that result from this leak - like the deaths of US servicemen or our informants.


11 posted on 12/08/2010 8:46:13 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: SmithL

I can’t seem to locate any articles that show where Feinstein was calling for the prosecution of the New York Times for publishing leaked classified documents and CIA procedures while Bush was president.


12 posted on 12/08/2010 8:48:57 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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To: SmithL; All

I support EFF most of the time, but this is not one of those times.

Something needs done to shuck Wikileaks down.


13 posted on 12/08/2010 8:54:42 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: mbynack

[ In my humble opinion, Wikileaks and any media that prints the stolen information is guilty of trafficking in stolen property. At the least they should be prosecuted for that. They should also be held responsible for any actions that result from this leak - like the deaths of US servicemen or our informants. ]

Indeed, this like someone receiving an inside trader tip over the phone, we don’t go demanding that the phone network be regulated to oblivion. No we go after the people who commited the crime. Wanting to “control the internet” is like blaming the gun for the mass shooting incident instead of the gunman.


14 posted on 12/08/2010 9:11:52 AM PST by GraceG
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To: cripplecreek

You know I already had mixed feelings about this whole thing to begin with now that Feinstein want’s him prosecuted even more so.

Seems right after Assaunge stated 9/11 wasn’t a conspiracy the liberals started to attack him.

I am happy he exposed how the Arabs really feel about Iran.

IMHO I think most of what he is releasing makes the liberal’s and obama look bad.

As for our troops having served myself I feel strongly about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I think the person who stole the information (Manning and whomever) are more to blame. Now Manning that’s another story he was in the service of our country and should be punished to the max and anyone else in our own government who aided him.

Besides there is also the issue of the other news organizations who published the leaks like the NY Slimes will they be punished equally then? Somehow I doubt it.

Julian Assaunge...

“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud,”

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-14880073.html


15 posted on 12/08/2010 9:21:13 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: mbynack

I agree with you. The feds were only able to convict Capone on tax evasion charges, but that was effective and put him behind bars. If there was a true will within the Obama Justice Dept, they would use whatever means was necessary to stop the leaking documents. They don’t go after the NYT because they’re hiding behind the First Amendment and also the NYT is for the most part friendly to the Obama Administration (yeah, I know that is an understatement). And I don’t for a second think that it was that little twerp Manning who stole all of the documents.


16 posted on 12/08/2010 9:38:49 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: SmithL
I learned an old adage once that seems to be true most of the time, "What You Resist, Persists".

Those who are subject to embarassment by the Wikileaks cables, should justs hunker down, weather the storm, and place the emphasis of their ire on whatever is allowing these jerks to get the information to PUT on the internet.

Blocking the internet is like killing the messenger, and the only people who want to kill the messenger are the ones the messenger is exposing.

For instance, we didn't need the information gleaned so far from WL to know we have a Congress full of corruption, and that heads of state say bad things about other heads of state. The only difference here is, now everybody knows.

It may be the "control-alt-delete" we need in foreign relations, starting from here with more honesty and less phoniness. But killing the web is NOT the cure...it will just make it worse.

Someone needs to set up a peer-to-peer network as a contingency getting out the word in case the unthinkable happens and they do take down the net. A large computer/telephone bank where people would dial into to get the latest scoop. It's the sort of thing we were doing back in the 80's with a Commodore 64...primitive by today's standards, but it works...any port in a storm, I say.

Obama is NOT to be trusted because of his sudden lean to the center with the TAX bill; he had no choice, and his ratings are in the toilet. Like most con men, he will smile and do what is necessary to climb back to a position where he can more easily stab us in the back again. It's his nature and he will not change.

I have little use for someone who is nice only because they are forced to be. For all we know all the ire from the left is being staged to instill false confidence in the GOP, making them overreach.


17 posted on 12/08/2010 9:48:06 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: SmithL

After all the nuclear transfers, guidance transfers, stolen technology over the years since Clinton was CIC, the powers that be come upon this transgression as being the worst? Something is fishy my friends, me thinks that this is misdirection. Somewhere else something very important is going on.


18 posted on 12/08/2010 9:52:07 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: himno hero
America has been thoroughly infiltrated and its natural defenses penetrated to the nth degree with Obama collaborators.

It isn't just 0 and his ilk, the Republicans have their part in this kind of thing too. It cannot happen because one party turns their head, that party is complicit and shares the goal of a 0ne W0rld system.

19 posted on 12/08/2010 9:55:29 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: cripplecreek
Not without siezing control of the internet.

That was my first thought upon reading the headline.

20 posted on 12/08/2010 10:09:52 AM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: mbynack; All
In my humble opinion, Wikileaks and any media that prints the stolen information is guilty of trafficking in stolen property. At the least they should be prosecuted for that. They should also be held responsible for any actions that result from this leak - like the deaths of US servicemen or our informants.

Does that include any revelations that are posted on this site? Does your humble opinion cover commentary and tidbits of info that would not exist without the leaks? This is America, if they didn't prosecute Ellsberg, why in the heck would they prosecute this man? Isn't light supposed to illuminate? Cause the cockroaches to scurry. I think that is what all the noise is about, the cockroaches are exposed, and people are so "knee-jerk" ready to defend their country, that they forget that our government should be nearly completely open. I for one am tired of "MOMMY GOVT" protecting me from facts. These same facts that are known by every other countries govt officials, are hidden from the hoi polloi, WE B 2 STOOPID.

21 posted on 12/08/2010 10:12:21 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: GraceG

So this thing “the furor over leaked documents” happens just as the US govt is regulating the internet....just a coincidence.....yeah right. This is just like Glenn Beck is talking about on his show. Top down, bottom up...inside out. That is how the revolutionaries are working. The bottom....anarchists, commies, union thugs, left wing organizations cause a problem, the people call for the ...top...govt to fix the problem, they crack down in a pincer move coordinated with the...bottom... and America is turned inside out.


22 posted on 12/08/2010 10:16:36 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: FromLori

Someone tell me why those directly responsible for supervising a Private Manning are not mentioned? If this were just a small fubar, heads would be rolling. I think this reeks of a State dept, JCS, CIA entire govt inside move. This is a power grab that is going on here people. A convenient excuse to regulate (read completely control content) the internet. Next is communication, of course the media will howl, but enough of them (GE-NBC-MSNBC) will tow the line.


23 posted on 12/08/2010 10:20:04 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: SmithL
he helpfully provides a list of "mirror" sites that carry the material originally

Oh the traitor Barlow. Now his followers don't have to type "wilikeaks mir"(which Google autocompletes to) "wilkileaks mirror sites" and find them.

This horse is out, man.

24 posted on 12/08/2010 10:23:57 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: runninglips

To me? All the one world system hyperbole calls for the OIC driven UN to be very active WHICH I doubt the American populace would support if they knew.

The islamics just want to legitimize the raiding of western civilization. Sure there are some socialists/ marxists who are collaborators, but they will be thrown under the bus.

Aside from that ~ how many Americans want to wear a barcode?


25 posted on 12/08/2010 10:31:23 AM PST by himno hero
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To: runninglips
Does that include any revelations that are posted on this site? Does your humble opinion cover commentary and tidbits of info that would not exist without the leaks?

Yes. Anyone who knowingly transmits classified information is guilty of a crime and should be punished.

Here's part of an e-mail that I received this morning regarding this.

All employees should not access the WikiLeaks website to view or download the publicized classified information. Doing so would introduce potentially classified information, on any computers (work, home or hand held devices) to unclassified networks. There has been a rumor that the information is no longer classified since it resides in the public domain. This is NOT true. The subject information was not "declassifed" by an approriate authority and requires continued classification or reclassification.

Posting classified information is a violation of federal law and could result in criminal penalties against the owner of the site and the people who posted it.

26 posted on 12/08/2010 10:48:03 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: runninglips
Someone tell me why those directly responsible for supervising a Private Manning are not mentioned? If this were just a small fubar, heads would be rolling.

I am absolutely certain that his supervisors received some serious punishment for this. I'm sure there were some lost stripes and reassignments and ruined careers.

27 posted on 12/08/2010 10:52:44 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Clintonfatigued

FR is very divided over wikileaks.


28 posted on 12/08/2010 4:26:20 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: mbynack
lost stripes and reassignments and ruined careers.

Where are their names and ranks posted, or reported then?

29 posted on 12/08/2010 5:50:54 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: a fool in paradise

“Knock on his door today. “

Why bother? Go into his house, rifle through his papers, post it on the internet, then open his fridge and help yourself to some beer.

If he acts shocked tell him “Aren’t you for openness and sharing? Free, as in beer!”


30 posted on 12/08/2010 6:32:19 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: runninglips

Who says it is the worst? Does it have to be the worst threat ever to be a bad thing?

It’s a bit like getting mugged on the street. It’s only wallet money, not millions, but its a crime and a loss nevertheless.


31 posted on 12/08/2010 6:40:38 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: WOSG

Missile targeting software and engineering transferred to China, not a peep. This guy leaks some info, we have frickin Interpol on it.


32 posted on 12/08/2010 7:18:01 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: runninglips

I would guess that they are still under investigation. If they receive an article 15, non judicial punishment they will normally not release the names.


33 posted on 12/09/2010 5:33:43 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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