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Noose Closes Around Pro-Wikileaks Vigilantes
Gawker ^ | 12/08 | Gawker

Posted on 12/08/2010 7:13:01 PM PST by RummyChick

Some sites have received federal court orders to cease any further online documentation of the attacks, which targeted Visa, Mastercard and other financial companies who froze Wikileaks accounts, a source close to the situation tells us.

(Excerpt) Read more at gawker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: jemimakhan; khan; wikileaks
Hacking is illegal. Is talking about the hack now illegal?????

Rumor going around that credit card numbers are getting hacked, too, by some Russians.

That's nothing new.

1 posted on 12/08/2010 7:13:03 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

unless the leaks include obamanation’s birth records, I am not interested.

If this guy REALLY can get secrets, he should have that!


2 posted on 12/08/2010 7:15:39 PM PST by bareford101 (For me, there is no difference in a tolerant, open mind and a cess pool. Both are open to filth.)
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To: RummyChick

Remarkable...Welcome to the 21st century.


3 posted on 12/08/2010 7:17:03 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: RummyChick
Vigilantes go after criminals — not businesses!
4 posted on 12/08/2010 7:18:56 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Dallas59

It is just another step on the road to internet shut down.

Here is another leak about pimping children.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

“But according to the leaked document, Atmar, the Afghani interior minister, was terrified this story would catch a reporter’s ear.

He urged the US State Department to shut down a reporter he heard was snooping around, and was horrified that a rumored videotape of the party might surface.:


5 posted on 12/08/2010 7:20:43 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

English Socialite offers bail money
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8187586/Julian-Assange-Jemima-Khan-comes-to-aid-of-Wikileaks-founder-in-Swedish-extradition-fight.html


6 posted on 12/08/2010 7:24:13 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
"Is talking about the hack now illegal????? "

Talking about it in the abstract? No. Talking about it to further coordinate future attacks? Yep, that's illegal - prosecutors use words like "conspiracy" and "incitement".

7 posted on 12/08/2010 7:26:17 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Documenting the attack is not coordinating future attacks.

What’s the line between first amendment and incitement????

I guess we would have to know what was on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

It is interesting to me how this has suddenly come to a head after Assange said he would leak documents related to a major bank..or did he actually name Bank of America.


8 posted on 12/08/2010 7:32:02 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
"What’s the line between first amendment and incitement????"

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), the landmark case in this regard, said that the speech had to directly incite the "imminent lawless act" (violence in the statute that was at bar), and it had to have a likelihood that it would actually incite the criminal act, and it had to have some immediacy of inciting the criminal act.

I'm not commenting with respect to the merits of the Government's actions in this particular case - the source is Gawker after all, so who knows what the real story is - I'm just trying to describe the conditions where speech stops being free. Those are some of the conditions in the relevant case law.

If the government can demonstrate that people were using the shuttered site to actually plan specific hacks, then the law is on their side.

9 posted on 12/08/2010 7:40:39 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: RummyChick
"Documenting the attack is not coordinating future attacks."

Oh, I should add that an enterprising prosecutor might be able to make such a case. In this instance, potential hackers might be discussing "best practices" with respect to what hacking techniques worked and which didn't. While that conversation alone wouldn't necessarily be criminal, it could go to demonstrating planning, which of course is part of a conspiracy charge.

Again, I have no idea if that actually happened in this particular case, I'm just trying to explain the possibilities.

10 posted on 12/08/2010 7:44:57 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: RummyChick

Anarchists/socialists cause problem with help from govt, govt steps in to quash freedom in the name of saving us from A/s. This is a “false flag” leak, designed to give govts the need to save us from too much info.


11 posted on 12/08/2010 7:49:23 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: RummyChick

Hacking is illegal. Is talking about the hack now illegal?????

By next week it will be illegl to talk about the illegality of talking about the hacking.


12 posted on 12/08/2010 7:54:52 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: runninglips

What about all of those sites that the jihadists go to in order to discuss their jihad???

Are they shut down?

What about the funding sources?

I wonder how many jihadists donated to Obama in his donor scam where the credit cards weren’t even verified.

I don’t have a problem with the Feds taking down a discussion between people who are actually committing a crime.

But I see this as a possible slippery slope if websites and/or posters can’t even discuss that the event has happened.


13 posted on 12/08/2010 7:58:17 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I still can’t see what the gripe is against wikileaks. They are posting documents that embarrass the wealthy, the corrupt, the powerful. So what. Saying we now can’t discuss the hacking is authoritarian.


14 posted on 12/08/2010 8:19:00 PM PST by gotribe (Time to partea)
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To: RummyChick

Khan first gained notice in the United Kingdom as a young heiress, the daughter of Lady Annabel and James Goldsmith. She converted to Islam and married the retired Pakistani cricketer Imran Khan in 1995, with whom she had two sons,


15 posted on 12/08/2010 8:24:03 PM PST by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: RummyChick

the real info is passed around by IRC on private servers. If I was on the Wiki-leaks team, I would go to full-cypto mode and assume that all commo was being monitored. I don’t think you can be too careful when you are being monitored by the FBI and NSA.


16 posted on 12/08/2010 9:10:51 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: RummyChick

Vigilante is a person who takes the law into their own hands. Vigilantism cannot happen in a civilized society. The hackers are just as much a criminal as anyone else.

Plus many lawyers are saying it would be very difficult to charge Assange with espionage. The documents he’s leaking were GIVEN to him. They landed in his lap. He had no responsibility to keep them secret. He has broken no law. Just like when the NYT published the Abu Ghraib photos and possibly cost lives of some of our soldiers and damaged American reputation. The NYT did not have a responsibility to keep those photos secret.

We do have a freedom of the press in the United States.


17 posted on 12/08/2010 9:22:59 PM PST by jerry557
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To: jerry557

‘We do have a freedom of the press in the United States.’

Yes, and if Assange was a journalist, rather than an anarchist attempting to overthrow the US government, that would protect him. But he is an illegal combatant.


18 posted on 12/08/2010 9:38:21 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Ladycalif; RummyChick
Khan is a leg-spreader / money raiser for Hamas.
19 posted on 12/08/2010 11:51:54 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Yes, and if Assange was a journalist,

Do you need a special badge and license to be a real journalist? Last I checked, the 1st Amendment didn't make a person's pre-existing political beliefs a determining factor in press freedom.

20 posted on 12/09/2010 12:00:44 AM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: runninglips
Anarchists/socialists

Is that conflation really appropriate? Socialists are all about govt. taking over, anarchists are about having No govt. I believe "anarchist" is not really meaningful as a noun but as an adjective. In that sense, WE are way way more anarchistic than the socialists since we all value small govt. Just to point out...
21 posted on 12/09/2010 12:28:08 AM PST by kroll
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To: Yehuda

And Soros is Pro-Hamas


22 posted on 12/09/2010 6:45:56 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Absotively.


23 posted on 12/09/2010 8:23:36 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: runninglips
Anarchists/socialists cause problem with help from govt, govt steps in to quash freedom in the name of saving us from A/s. This is a “false flag” leak, designed to give govts the need to save us from too much info.

Oh, you mean like a Reichstag Fire?

 

Someone please save us!

 

Anybody???

 

24 posted on 12/09/2010 8:36:03 AM PST by ResearchMonkey (Holding Conservative Country in California.)
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To: garbanzo

Anarchists trying to overthrow the government are dead meat IMHO, what else they do is irrelevant.


25 posted on 12/09/2010 2:35:08 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Anarchists trying to overthrow the government are dead meat IMHO

Unfortunately, that is something that may be said about us in the near future.

--- Think about it.

26 posted on 12/10/2010 5:29:59 AM PST by ResearchMonkey (Holding Conservative Country in California.)
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To: ResearchMonkey

I believe all of this Wikileak exposure is indeed aimed at making the sheeple think that enforcement will protect them.

That by now establishing a separate enforcement agency say evolved from the IRS would now be acceptable to the sheeple so their Visa and MasterCard accounts will be secure.

And we all know what the IRS was given permission to do, and that was to hire extra enforcers, courtesy of the Obamacare Act.

Wikileaks are also targeting Sarah Palin, so ask yourself, why would they feel compelled to hack Sarah Palins accounts?

But yet not a single peep about where Obama was born, or his use of possibly stolen social security numbers?


27 posted on 12/10/2010 5:42:35 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: kroll

The anarchists historically are linked with the Communists. They are tools designed to bring govt to the brink of chaos, so they can crack down and control the situation. Really, isn’t communism at its very base about man governing himself. We will have the perfect world as soon as communism is worldwide. There will be no need for govt, man can govern himself. These anarchists actually believe that communism means less govt, or they are patsies. You and I both know that they want to be pampered with free food, free education, free sex, drugs and rock and roll. They don’t care who provides it as long as it is not them. Both groups are working for whatever forces want to provoke a response. Why does it seem that the very rich, the unions and the anarchists work towards the same goal? The rich know they can manipulate events to make themselves more rich, with more govt control. The unions get money from the govts of the world with more members to control, anarchists are just tools of both.


28 posted on 12/10/2010 9:50:20 AM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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