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Jerry Brown, California politicians lay out grim realities
Contra Costa Times ^ | 12/8/10 | Steven Harmon - Contra Costa Times

Posted on 12/08/2010 8:14:27 PM PST by SmithL

SACRAMENTO -- Gov.-elect Jerry Brown and some of the state's leading politicians laid out a panorama of grim realities as California seeks a way out of its unrelenting economic crisis, emphasizing that gimmicks can no longer be used.

Brown, 25 days away from assuming the governorship, took the extraordinary step of calling hundreds of lawmakers and local officials together to confront what will likely be the defining issue of his term.

One-time solutions such as federal stimulus funds and temporary tax hikes are not options to fill in gaps left by the state's plummeting revenues, Brown said during the two-hour summit.

And, he said, lawmakers must step out of their ideological comfort zones to deliver results to Californians.

"The crisis, I think, will open the way to solutions because our backs are against the wall," he said. "I believe this breakdown will, of necessity, pave the way to a breakthrough because we can't keep going on the way we have. It's getting worse. Beneath the differences there is a zone of potential common agreement. That's where I'll focus in the coming months."

Joining Brown on stage at the venerated Memorial Auditorium blocks away from the Capitol were state Treasurer Bill Lockyer, state Controller John Chiang, Brown's newly named finance director, Ana Matosantos, legislative analyst Mac Taylor, Senate leader Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, Assembly Speaker John Perez, D-Los Angeles, and Assembly Republican leader Connie Conway, R-Visalia.

The meeting took place as lawmakers are ostensibly in a special session after current Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a fiscal emergency to tackle a $6.1 billion budget deficit for the current fiscal year. Though they will begin hearings on Schwarzenegger's proposal today, Democrats have said it's all but certain that they will not take action until Brown takes office Jan. 3.

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: deficit; goldenstate; insolvency; moonbeam; sacramento; taxandspend

1 posted on 12/08/2010 8:14:33 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Didn’t Moonbeam run in order to fix his past problems?


2 posted on 12/08/2010 8:20:14 PM PST by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: SmithL

LOckyer??? Does this kook just go from state office to state office. His name makes my hair curl.


3 posted on 12/08/2010 8:21:13 PM PST by therut
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To: SmithL

There is a simple solution: Increase taxes.

They are always complaining that taxes are too low. Now is the time to fix it.


4 posted on 12/08/2010 8:21:32 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: SmithL

We will probably want to get rid of Proposition 13


5 posted on 12/08/2010 8:21:54 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: SmithL

And even better — chew on this Governor Moonbeam:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2639118/posts


6 posted on 12/08/2010 8:23:17 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: SmithL

How many Union puppets reside in Sacto gyrating to the whims of their master puppeteer string pullers? Have fun with all that Gov. MoonBeam. I’m thinking Jim Beam would have a better chance of success with those bought for cretins in the Sacto asylum.


7 posted on 12/08/2010 8:26:13 PM PST by tflabo
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To: SmithL

All gimmicks have already been exhausted. All easy cuts have already been made. And while we can now pass a budget with a simple majority vote, we still need a 2/3rds majority vote to raise taxes, fees and levies.


8 posted on 12/08/2010 8:26:23 PM PST by umgud
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To: Libloather

Maybe Linda Rondstadt can sing for a “CAlifornia AID” concert. Didn’t she date Gov Moonbeam during his first term in the 70s?

I know some very wealthy Beverly hills/Palms Springs ueber liberals. I hope they lose their shirts, their homes, their wealth and then some in the coming CA chaos. They voted for this BS for 40 years and still vote for it.


9 posted on 12/08/2010 8:28:20 PM PST by Gapplega
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To: SmithL

Simple. Cut the spending.


10 posted on 12/08/2010 8:30:55 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SmithL

I think I read that property taxes have increased by 700% since prop 13 passed. I wish I had bookmarked the site...


11 posted on 12/08/2010 8:33:55 PM PST by tubebender (If you can not read, this thread will tell you how to get help)
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To: SmithL
A California Democrat Speaks the Truth! (May 30, 2009)

Nearly all of the billions of dollars in cuts the administration has proposed would affect programs for poor Californians...

“Government doesn’t provide services to rich people,” Mike Genest, the state’s finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. “It doesn’t even really provide services to the middle class.” He added: “You have to cut where the money is.”

12 posted on 12/08/2010 8:42:21 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: tubebender

Since Prop 13 passed, our property taxes have increased at 2% per year. I suspect that the 700% figure means that as newer property is built, and older property is sold, that the property tax revenue goes up accordingly.


13 posted on 12/08/2010 8:50:12 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: Lancey Howard

Yup. But thanks to the demscum creating generations of dependency to buy votes, a lot of those “poor people” know no other way of life and have no marketable skills. Think they’ll quietly starve to death when the free ride ends? Not likely.

There will be blood in the streets.

That’s inevitable now. The sooner the problem is faced, the less there will be. The later, the more.

It’s also inevitable that the left-wing politicians in charge in CA and elsewhere will NOT face the problem, so when the free ride ends because there just isn’t any more money, the bloodletting will be huge.

Will that happen in 1 year? 2? 10? Who knows. My bet is closer to 1 year than 10, though.


14 posted on 12/08/2010 8:52:58 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: Libloather

No. He just wants stuff.


15 posted on 12/08/2010 8:59:54 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Stimulus ~ Response / "...and that's why the color yellow makes me sad, I think.")
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To: SmithL

Let me guess, instead of cutting social programs that pay people not to work and asking the teachers and state workers to contribute to their own pensions and health insurance and cutting the HUNDREDS of unnecessary government agencies that do nothing except cost money and make up expensive regulations for other people, they will cut fire departments, police departments, and school buses.

When the state should be liposuctioning excess fat, they want to amputate the patient’s legs.


16 posted on 12/08/2010 9:01:54 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: piytar

The funny part is that when the poop hits the fan it will be the concentrated Democrat parasite nests (”cities”) that burn. Haha! If the animals come near my rural residence looking to loot they will be repelled, I can assure you.

FRegards
LH


17 posted on 12/08/2010 9:16:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Libloather

He’s emphatic that none of California problems are his fault. I believe that was the first thing he said after he was re-elected.


18 posted on 12/08/2010 9:18:27 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Let me guess, instead of cutting social programs that pay people not to work and asking the teachers and state workers to contribute to their own pensions and health insurance and cutting the HUNDREDS of unnecessary government agencies that do nothing except cost money and make up expensive regulations for other people, they will cut fire departments, police departments, and school buses.

Of course. It's the oldest Democrat scare tactic in the book.
(By the way, parks and libraries, too. Don't forget the parks and libraries.)

19 posted on 12/08/2010 9:20:13 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SmithL

20 posted on 12/08/2010 9:23:31 PM PST by garjog
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To: umgud

This discrepancy will cause chaos in the legislative process. The rats can pass any budget desired but they will not know if the tax increases will be enacted. Republicans are perilously close to oblivion because the rats have 2/3 control in one branch and almost 2/3 in the other branch.


21 posted on 12/08/2010 9:27:24 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: piytar

One of the poorest communities in the state, Mendota in the Central Valley of CA, was made poorer by Boxer and her ilk voting for a 6 inch fish over farmers. I hope they can tax the heck out of the delta smelt. Cause when you have 45% unemployment in ONE community, I can guarantee you, there is nothing to squeeze out of them. It is absurdities such as this which is killing this state. Tax the damn trees and owls and delta smelt cause they own this state.


22 posted on 12/08/2010 9:36:50 PM PST by Semperfiwife (How Ba-roke can you go??)
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To: Lancey Howard

Mike Genest is a republican, but it was a refreshing statement nonetheless..


23 posted on 12/08/2010 9:38:24 PM PST by ExPFC
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To: SmithL

First thing CA needs to do is to turn their legislature from full-time to part-time. It’s obvious these idiots have too much time on their hands.

Thirty days a year in-session should be enough for this bunch.


24 posted on 12/08/2010 9:49:11 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What's black and white and red all over? HINT: Think White House)
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To: Brilliant

Actually in terms of percentage of GDP, the California budget deficit is not that large. CA is about one eight of the US GDP, so a $25 billion deficit would be only the equivalent of a $200 billion federal deficit. But the big mistakes liberals have made in Sacramento and Washington is that they never figured out how difficult it is for high-tax states like CA to raise taxes by even a few hundred dollars per taxpayer and they forgot that states can’t run continuous deficits and have the Fed print money to pay for it all. It’s very difficult for a high-tax state like CA to raise taxes substantially because, for example, if they raise income taxes by 10% the result would be that something like 4% of residents with the highest incomes will leave the state. The end result of the intended 10% revenue increase would be only something like 3% because of migration of high income residents out of the state. That happened the last time they raised income taxes significantly in CA.

This is the big state fiscal trap that liberals and union bosses have never understood. It’s easier for Greece or Ireland to raise revenue than for California to raise revenue because it’s much more difficult for Greeks or the Irish to leave those countries. To leave California for good, all you have to do is find I-10 on the map, fill up your gas tank and drive east until you cross the Colorado river into Arizona. (...and no cops will be waiting there to check your immigration status). From there you can continue on I-10 into several low-tax states such as Texas and Florida. It’s going to be extremely difficult to raise revenue substantially in CA, but the liberal politicos in Sacramento will also go into childish fits of rage over the large budget cuts that will inevitably have to be made, either proactively or when the state simply runs out of cash. This will be quite a show to watch as the big fight over money erupts in the once golden state. (Note: I worked in CA for 14 years and left permanently early in the previous decade because of high taxes, high housing prices, and “cultural decay” in CA).


25 posted on 12/08/2010 10:17:21 PM PST by socialism_stinX (Why did California go bankrupt?...because of unfunded federal mandates and illegal immigration.)
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To: SmithL
The voters of California have spoken.

Their choice is to have Jerry Brown as the "Titanic" Captain.

We salute you Captain Moonbeam McGoon.

May the sinking of California be a peaceful event for the rest of America.

26 posted on 12/08/2010 10:24:50 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: SmithL

Power points from today’s briefing:

http://www.jerrybrown.org/sites/default/files/GovElectBudgetBrief_1.pdf

http://www.jerrybrown.org/sites/default/files/TreasurerBudgetBrief.pdf

http://www.jerrybrown.org/sites/default/files/ControllerBudgetBrief.pdf


27 posted on 12/08/2010 10:26:43 PM PST by marsh2
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To: tubebender
I think I read that property taxes have increased by 700% since prop 13 passed. I wish I had bookmarked the site...

I think you mean this article:

"...Despite Prop. 13 that capped property taxes at 1%, property taxes expanded from $6.36 billion from 1980-1981 to $43.16 billion in 2006-2007, an increase of 579%. For point of reference the CPI index increased just 133%, from 88 in 1980-1981 to 202.4 in 2006-2007."

As "Enterprise" said above, Prop. 13 caps the yearly increase at 2%...most of the gain was from the housing bubble, and property tax revenue has dropped back down by 30-40% (re-assesments).



28 posted on 12/08/2010 10:56:10 PM PST by Drago
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To: Brilliant

Too low on some folks and not high enough on others.

Changing the income tax from the multiple-brackets as high as 10% down to a flat 4% on all compensation (including the value of benefits like employer provided health insurance) with no deductions or credits would raise more money and be more attractive to the productive people instead of the deadbeats. Changing the sales tax from 8% down to 4% while applying to all retail goods and services would increase that revenue stream while decreasing the advantage online sales have over brick and mortar; it would also give a huge boost to county and city finances unless they cut their rates correspondingly.

Then, by turning retired state and local public employees into Soylent Green pig chow, we can reduce much of the pension shortfalls. Decertify public employee unions like Mitch Daniels did in Indiana, and save all future pension benefit growth. Give public schoolchildren vouchers for $5K each and we can cut school spending in half, saving $25B/yr.


29 posted on 12/08/2010 11:00:10 PM PST by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Lancey Howard

True, and it pays off twice — you no longer spend the money, and you stop attracting people who were coming for the gravy train.

Discouraging gravy-train followers can also be done on the tax side. Extend the sales tax to all goods and services instead of basically making it free for those that spend all their money on groceries, rent, and services. Eliminate the deductions and exemptions from the income tax so the rates are true tax rates and then lower them to a single 4% rate. These steps would increase revenue while making CA less of a draw for low achievers.


30 posted on 12/08/2010 11:16:11 PM PST by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

More importantly, they want to use the threat of cutting off essential or popular services to get tax hikes that will pay for the BS programs nobody would vote for if given that direct choice.


31 posted on 12/08/2010 11:19:51 PM PST by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: socialism_stinX

I’m wondering how many high-income Californians would be easily able to leave the state this time, if taxes were raised. I am thinking about the industries in which they are concentrated — tech, entertainment, what am I missing? My husband is in tech, and while it would be relatively easy for us to move between LA and Silicon Valley, there are lots of problems posed by working remotely out-of-state.

What do you think?


32 posted on 12/08/2010 11:26:18 PM PST by TexNewMex
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To: socialism_stinX

“It’s going to be extremely difficult to raise revenue substantially in CA”

Only if you try to increase the taxes on the high end.

Lowering tax rates on the high end including eliminating the corporate income tax entirely, while increasing on the low end by eliminating deductions and exemptions, would raise revenue significantly. It would also make CA “more expensive” for poor people to live, which would encourage them to move away and thereby reduce the spending in those programs.


33 posted on 12/08/2010 11:41:16 PM PST by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: socialism_stinX
To leave California for good, all you have to do is find I-10 on the map, fill up your gas tank and drive east until you cross the Colorado river into Arizona.

Hopefully, we can get a few million people to do this...I'm kinda selfish, and I'd like to see 10 million leave California and head to your state or wherever..

We simply have too many people...

Let the greedy corrupt developers that hire tens of millions of low wage illegal aliens, pave over Arizona, Texas Colorado, Kansas etc......

Good luck!

34 posted on 12/08/2010 11:44:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: dragnet2

“Hopefully, we can get a few million people to do this”

Yes, and we could hope it would be the lowlifes that leave if the tax rates at the top were lowered to retain the productive people but the deductions and exemptions that favor the lowlifes were eliminated to take away their “free ride”.


35 posted on 12/09/2010 12:01:55 AM PST by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Kellis91789
Extend the sales tax to all goods and services...

You lost me there. I cannot advocate raising taxes for anybody, even if those same animals vote for Democrat politicians to confiscate more from me. ...On the other hand, screw them. Yeah, raise the "gimme gimme" crowd's taxes. Why not?

36 posted on 12/09/2010 1:00:33 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: dragnet2

Heh, you sound like you are destined to be “the last white farmer in Zimbabwe”.
Good luck with that!

FRegards,
LH


37 posted on 12/09/2010 1:03:06 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I like broader tax bases where everybody pays the tax at a *lower* rate. In the case of CA sales tax, the underachievers benefit much more than the high achievers when groceries and rents are excluded from the sales tax, because they spend a much larger portion of their income on those items. Taxation should be indiscriminate, not targeting specific items or persons. Justice is supposed to be blind, right ? Otherwise it is just too easy for politicians to carve out groups of voters that they “protect” from the tax and thereby buy their votes. Taxes that are not applied evenly breed corruption.

I found it sadly comical that the Bush tax rate extensions were characterized as the “GOP holding the middle class hostage to benefit millionaires”. I see it more as the “Dems wanting to perform human sacrifices to the tax monster to protect the low achievers”.


38 posted on 12/09/2010 1:26:58 AM PST by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Kellis91789

It’s funny - - you use the phrase “low achievers” while I prefer the good old, “Losers, bums, deadbeats, and parasites”. Hey, whatever! Same thing, I guess. The phrase, “Democrat party base” covers it just fine.

FRegards,
LH


39 posted on 12/09/2010 2:26:22 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Good luck in PA friend...You’ll need it.


40 posted on 12/09/2010 9:22:37 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: TexNewMex

Yes, only a small percentage of high income people would be willing and able to leave California. But if just 3-5% of the high income taxpayers leave the state in response to a tax increase, that could wipe out most of the revenue gains from any increase in income taxes or sales taxes.


41 posted on 12/10/2010 9:25:41 PM PST by socialism_stinX (Why did California go bankrupt?...because of unfunded federal mandates and illegal immigration.)
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