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House Democrats defy Obama on tax cut bill
CNN ^ | December 9,2010 | Dana Bash and Deirdre Walsh

Posted on 12/09/2010 8:56:09 AM PST by BulletBobCo

(CNN) - Defying President Obama, House Democrats voted Thursday not to bring up the tax package that he negotiated with Republicans in its current form.

"This message today is very simple: That in the form that it was negotiated, it is not acceptable to the House Democratic caucus. It's as simple as that," said Democratic Congressman Chris Van Hollen.

"We will continue to try and work with the White House and our Republican colleagues to try and make sure we do something right for the economy and right for jobs, and a balanced package as we go forward," he said.

The vote comes a day after Vice President Biden made clear to House Democrats behind closed doors that the deal would unravel if any changes were made.

The vote also come less than an hour after Obama himself urged Congress to pass the compromise he struck with GOP leaders earlier this week and warned that failing to do it could cost jobs.

"There is an important debate on Capitol Hill that will determine in part whether our economy moves backward or forward," Obama said at an Export Council meeting. "The bipartisan framework we have forged on taxes will not only protect working Americans from seeing a major tax increase on January 1, it will provide businesses with incentives to invest, grow, and hire."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cut; democrats; rates; tax; taxes
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1 posted on 12/09/2010 8:56:12 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo

These people are insane.


2 posted on 12/09/2010 8:58:14 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: BulletBobCo
For all you critics who didn't like the "deal", what made you think the Democrats in the House were going to vote for it anyway.

They'd rather die than do something good for America. They are all fruit cakes, dope addicts, or mentally addled jerks.

It's good that they were voted out of power so resoundingly. Now we don't need to have anything in the mix that any Democrat would want to get this through the Senate and signed by the President in January.

So, guys on unemployment compensation, say bye-bye to that extra year.

3 posted on 12/09/2010 9:00:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SumProVita
These people are insane.

Why does the image of Cleavon Little with a gun to his head come to mind?

4 posted on 12/09/2010 9:00:26 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: SumProVita

These people want something. I’m thinking a tax credit.


5 posted on 12/09/2010 9:02:08 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: BulletBobCo

Freeze all taxes now. Give Congress one year to revise our tax system. Approx 47% of households do not pay any payroll taxes. 53% of households pay all our taxes for the other 47%. Something like that.....you know what I’m getting at.

Tell Congress to put a flat tax of 10% on everyone, within a year. It is said that our government will have more money than they would know what to do with. The only problem with this is that the government would no longer have the power over the people by taking the money from the wealthy and giving to those on welfare.


6 posted on 12/09/2010 9:02:49 AM PST by RC2
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To: SumProVita
These people are insane.

When the enemy is furiously engaged in a circular firing squad....

stay under cover.

7 posted on 12/09/2010 9:04:22 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: BulletBobCo

Maybe they’ll vote it down, let the tax rates expire, and then the new Republican congress can make them permanent in 2011.


8 posted on 12/09/2010 9:04:22 AM PST by twhitak
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To: BulletBobCo
This legislation is the only hope they had for saving their own bacon. It's baby steps could have been the slow start to a slow recovery.

Without it, our economy will continue to tank at an accelerated pace, and the Democrats will pay a steep price next election. A historically steep price.

9 posted on 12/09/2010 9:04:36 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: BulletBobCo

If the repubicans mishandle this golden PR opportunity then there is no hope whatsoever for this country’s return from the marxist hellhole it is falling into.


10 posted on 12/09/2010 9:04:42 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: paulycy

Dow down 39 and falling as we speak.


11 posted on 12/09/2010 9:06:34 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: BulletBobCo

Priceless!

Now conservatives can hold out for a better deal, while bashing libs for the tax increase.

No Estate Tax.
Minimized Unemployment extension.
Close the door on uncapping SSI limits.
Make the current tax rates “Permanent”.


12 posted on 12/09/2010 9:06:42 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: BulletBobCo

Good, adjourn the dead-duck session and fix it in January.
For all the moonbats who will scream at the take-home in Janaury, you know who to thank.


13 posted on 12/09/2010 9:06:47 AM PST by AU72
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To: BulletBobCo

For it to pass in the current House, a bunch of Dems need to vote for it, and then explain to their electorate why they voted for “tax cuts for the rich”. By kicking it down the road to January, they can retain their purity by having only Republicans vote for it.


14 posted on 12/09/2010 9:07:23 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: BulletBobCo

The Democrats on Capitol Hill have been in charge sine January 2006, giving cause to the worst recession in many years.

Why would they change their stripes and spots now?


15 posted on 12/09/2010 9:07:38 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: RC2
Tell Congress to put a flat tax of 10% on everyone, within a year.

It would be a great improvement, but not enough for my tastes.

I don't agree with the whole concept that the government should have any right to know what wealth you earn or possess. They have no right to pry into the private finances of the citizenry without a warrant.

Some variation of a sales tax would remove their justification for having unfettered access to information about our financial business.

16 posted on 12/09/2010 9:08:26 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: BulletBobCo

They used to fear Obama, and give him what he wanted.
Then came the midterm route.
Now the fact that Obama wants something seems actually to weigh against it. They may believe if they vote in this so-called ‘tax cut for the rich’ even more of them will lose in 2012.
Or else they’re just sufficiently peeved with Obama to thwart his wishes because they can.


17 posted on 12/09/2010 9:08:26 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: BulletBobCo

Good news


18 posted on 12/09/2010 9:08:39 AM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: SumProVita
Leaving aside the merits of the tax-compromise between Obama and the Republican leadership, this decision by the House Dems holds huge promise of handing a sheleighly to any Republican challenger to a Democract up for re-election. If running against Pelosi gave such good results this past election, just imagine how effective it will be to campaign against a Democratic tax increase in the midst of a recession!

You see, it's one thing to argue tax policy in the abstract. THAT debate seems to be slowly tipping toward the conservative side anyway.

But, when a particular tax policy (e.g. the Dems') gets applied to EVERYONE's pocketbooks, diminishing not only jobs and government revenues but also reducing every working man's and woman's paycheck ... well, then the debate is no longer abstract.

People vote their pocketbooks (which is why welfare dependents vote for Democrats so faithfully!). The Democratic insistence on raising taxes is about as potent a pocketbook issue for working voters as you can possibly manufacture.

19 posted on 12/09/2010 9:09:09 AM PST by Brandybux (Oportet ministros manus lavare antequam latrinam relinquent.)
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To: Fantasywriter

route = rout


20 posted on 12/09/2010 9:09:17 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: AU72
For all the moonbats who will scream at the take-home in Janaury, you know who to thank.

And it will just be a temporary increase in January, as long as it eventually passes then. Once it passes, withholding will be reduced to compensate.

21 posted on 12/09/2010 9:11:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: BulletBobCo

Mad dogs the lot of them.


22 posted on 12/09/2010 9:13:52 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Brandybux

Ohhhh...you are so correct!

And, to be honest, I’m thinking that people NEED to FEEL the impact of the Democrat policy...in order to truly and completely reject it.


23 posted on 12/09/2010 9:15:44 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: BulletBobCo

Good. No deal with Rats who have been thrown out of the House.

We get power on Jan. 2 and can do what is right for the American people. We have much stronger bargaining power on Jan. 2.


24 posted on 12/09/2010 9:17:05 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: BulletBobCo
Three Words

Tax

Re

Volt

25 posted on 12/09/2010 9:17:36 AM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: BulletBobCo

Good. No deal with Rats who have been thrown out of the House.

We get power on Jan. 2 and can do what is right for the American people. We have much stronger bargaining power on Jan. 2.


26 posted on 12/09/2010 9:18:16 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: BulletBobCo
Although I really thought this would go through, this is good news. Now Paul Ryan will write the new tax cut bill (he will head that committee, correct).

This also means that if the Senate dems filibuster that new bill, they will carry the label of "raised taxes the highest amount in history on the middle class", and they won't be able to deny it!

27 posted on 12/09/2010 9:21:06 AM PST by codercpc
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To: BulletBobCo

We got a pool going yet for how much the Dow drops today? I’ll take 200.


28 posted on 12/09/2010 9:21:18 AM PST by nina0113
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To: swain_forkbeard
These people want something. I’m thinking a tax credit.

They want the inheritance tax raised to 55% as per anthony weener. I heard a blip from Lord dog nuts (d) Austin, just as I got back into the office. He basically said "No way, jose".

29 posted on 12/09/2010 9:22:21 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Whether corruption is in politics, science, education, research, etc., always follow the money.)
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To: RC2

“Tell Congress to put a flat tax of 10% on everyone, within a year.”

from your lips to Boehner’s ears


30 posted on 12/09/2010 9:23:11 AM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: SumProVita

I was near to concluding yesterday that the democrat rejection of the plan was part of the real plan that Obama has with his minions.


31 posted on 12/09/2010 9:23:29 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: SumProVita

Yes! We have a winner.

The current mess must be completely burned to the ground and the people that vote for these nimrods need to feel the impact of the disastrous policies.

That happening is the only possible way to open people’s eyes and have them change their ways.


32 posted on 12/09/2010 9:23:33 AM PST by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: BulletBobCo

My take is that this is more kabuki theater. After the far left extremists in the democrat party are done with their tantrum, enough of them will cave and vote for the compromise.

It hasn’t been defeated in a floor vote, they just blocked it from coming to the floor. That barrier will be removed once enough of them defect to follow their party leadership, which is now dancing the tune played by Republicans.


33 posted on 12/09/2010 9:31:02 AM PST by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: All

After the 2010 tsunami, do you really think there are any Democrats left in any districts that are remotely winnable?

They risk nothing. Left wing positions can’t lose those districts and anything but a left wing position WILL lose them.

None of this matters. Just refuse all Debt Ceiling Increases and the earthquake begins.


34 posted on 12/09/2010 9:32:03 AM PST by Owen
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

It would be good for all Americans to see their taxes go up if the Bush tax cuts expire since the media has been feeding the public the wrong info....that only those making over $250K will see an increase. Wait until the little guy sees his increase and then it will hit the fan. Then the Republicans can come in and save the day, again.


35 posted on 12/09/2010 9:32:32 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: BulletBobCo
House Democrats just voted for a 50% tax increase on those whose earnings fall in the 10% bracket range. I am sticking to that synopsis in informing my pesky collectivists family members ASAP.
36 posted on 12/09/2010 9:33:03 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Gawd doggett, Lloyd!


37 posted on 12/09/2010 9:36:33 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: twhitak

Last time I checked the Senate would still be under Rat control. Do you seriously believe that we could get enough defectors to make the cuts permanent?


38 posted on 12/09/2010 9:48:12 AM PST by Smogger
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To: muawiyah

The Dems are basically raising taxes on every American with a job.

Even I didn’t think they were this stupid.


39 posted on 12/09/2010 9:48:26 AM PST by Carling (Remember November)
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To: Carling

Well, most of the people who vote for the Dems have no jobs.


40 posted on 12/09/2010 9:53:28 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: SumProVita
The Dems are infected with a class-warfare virus which makes it impossible for them to consider basic economic realities.

This “tax breaks for the wealthy” jargon is so...communist manifesto, and so obsolete.
The country's economy is collapsing, jobs are vanishing, and they're fixated on rich people.

41 posted on 12/09/2010 9:59:57 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: BulletBobCo
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
I say, trouble right here in River City.


42 posted on 12/09/2010 10:02:39 AM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: SumProVita

Republicans should start talking about a REAL tax cut in 2011 when the take over the House. The new deal will be no unemployment extension, no death tax, and an additional 2% tax break for everyone from today’s rates.


43 posted on 12/09/2010 10:28:33 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Deo volente

This is exactly why I refer so often to leftists as UNINTELLIGENT, because they make it so obvious that they have learned nothing from history or philosophy...and yet they continually spout off regarding *the errors of the past* and the need to *help* society...

....and then they have the gall to refer to those who disagree with them as being *uneducated.*

I have become firmly convinced that their intellects have become clouded.


44 posted on 12/09/2010 10:30:04 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Smogger

Yep because by then ALL their constituients (who actually work) will see their paychecks shrink.

There’s no way they’d vote against it!


45 posted on 12/09/2010 10:35:04 AM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: nina0113
We got a pool going yet for how much the Dow drops today? I’ll take 200.

That was my first reaction....

But if this is punted to the next Congress....look for a better deal...

Thus a better for businesses and stocks.

46 posted on 12/09/2010 11:12:52 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: paulycy

It’s funny I haven’t heard a word from the usual leftist bed wetters that the Dems are ruining Christmas for all the unemployed.


47 posted on 12/09/2010 11:19:11 AM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: dead

A sales tax would also force every liberal, including the illegal ones, to pay for their own entitlements.


48 posted on 12/09/2010 12:04:59 PM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

That is all they have been talking about on MSNBC is how the GOP is the grinch that took Christmas away from the feeeloaders. The 99 weekers are mad as hell and they are not going to get a Job because of it.


49 posted on 12/09/2010 12:48:47 PM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world or Obamaville USSA.)
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To: ncfool

Exactly, so why aren’t we hearing about Dem’s being grinches? (not that I liked the bill I’m glad it got voted down)


50 posted on 12/09/2010 1:12:08 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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