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Dropout rate for Calif. black students hits 37%
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | December 8, 2010 | Jill Tucker,

Posted on 12/09/2010 10:51:40 AM PST by Amerikan_Samurai

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1 posted on 12/09/2010 10:51:43 AM PST by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

We’re not spending enouch on education. sarc/


2 posted on 12/09/2010 10:54:30 AM PST by sappy (criminalibs)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Hmmm, maybe they’re dropping out to leave California? Maybe they’re a lot smarter than we give them credit for!


3 posted on 12/09/2010 10:57:09 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

It’s white people’s fault.


4 posted on 12/09/2010 10:57:18 AM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Fewer art and music classes, cuts to sports.Oh that takes state funding? Can’t they do that at home?How about sticking to education and not play time?.


5 posted on 12/09/2010 10:58:07 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Amerikan_Samurai
O'Connell blamed the increase on state budget cuts, which have resulted in larger class sizes, fewer art and music classes, cuts to sports, fewer counselors and less access to career/technical courses - all programs that can help keep struggling or at-risk students in school.

Yeah, it had nothing to do with unions protecting bad teachers who collect huge salaries/benefits for failing these kids, then more so after they get tenure.

6 posted on 12/09/2010 10:58:26 AM PST by apoxonu
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

The “War on Poverty” needs to be cranked up to the quadrillion dollar level.

Trillions over the past 40 + years just ain’t enough....


7 posted on 12/09/2010 10:59:03 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Stop all benefits, 5 generations is enough, people have to stand on their own and decide whether to sink or swim. All this money that has been given over the decades haven’t done a thing.


8 posted on 12/09/2010 10:59:15 AM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Amerikan_Samurai
O'Connell blamed the increase on state budget cuts, which have resulted in larger class sizes, fewer art and music classes, cuts to sports, fewer counselors and less access to career/technical courses - all programs that can help keep struggling or at-risk students in school.

Sounds to me like most of the cuts were on the teacher/program side of things. How many administrators were cut?

9 posted on 12/09/2010 10:59:40 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai
We should send them to Shanghai for their education.

...or they should learn how to operate one of these:


10 posted on 12/09/2010 11:00:01 AM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Sure don’ wanna be “actin’ white” an’ all n’ be gettin’ no schoolin’


11 posted on 12/09/2010 11:00:30 AM PST by Mr. K ('Profiling' is much worse than grabbing your balls)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai
More than a third of California's African American public high school students dropped out before graduation day, a startling number and one that's on the rise, according to 2009 data released Tuesday.

The operative phrase in the article is "public high school". Translate that to government-run and the meaning becomes self-evident.

As long as the government runs educational facilities, the system will remain broken. Add the corrupting influence of union teachers to that fetid recipe and the result is disaster.

The business of education is best handled by private enterprise in the free-market with the profit motive as the incentive to drive results.

12 posted on 12/09/2010 11:00:55 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai
O'Connell blamed the increase on state budget cuts, which have resulted in larger class sizes, fewer art and music classes, cuts to sports, fewer counselors and less access to career/technical courses - all programs that can help keep struggling or at-risk students in school.

Pfft... the problem is a lack of decent parenting, children out of wed-lock and overall massive ignorance.

When one is both lazy and stuck on stupid don't expect different results.

NO amount of tax dollars will change that.

13 posted on 12/09/2010 11:03:07 AM PST by A message
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

That’s nothing. How many made it to graduation without knowing their multiplication tables or knowing the parts of a sentence? Scratch another 50 percent.


14 posted on 12/09/2010 11:03:10 AM PST by pallis
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Last week you will recall California dropped to 50th in education - dead last.

They are not missing much.


15 posted on 12/09/2010 11:04:24 AM PST by edcoil
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To: Rich21IE

No. Not to leave California — just moving residence to collect their handouts in communities with what used 90% HS conmpletion rates.


16 posted on 12/09/2010 11:04:37 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: EyeGuy
The “War on Poverty” needs to be cranked up to the quadrillion dollar level.

Interesting that a recent study shows that poverty is worse now than ever. I used to tell my college freshmen econ students I could end poverty overnight. (At the time, a family of 4 living on less than $9600/yr were considered poor.) The students wanted to hear my solution, which is actually quite simple: Get every family who make less than $9600, line them up, and shoot them. The student eyes would go the size of pie plates. After they settled down, I asked them: How long will it take before the guy making $9601 starts bitching that he's the poorest person in the land?

The point was that, unless everyone has exactly the same income, someone is going to feel poor. It's a battle you can't win unless you have a perfectly even distribution of income, and even a pure communistic state would have a hard time pulling that off. The discussion usually ended with me showing that free markets lead to higher standard of living for all members of society than the alternatives, even though it isn't perfect. Too bad the lesson is missed on Obama...

17 posted on 12/09/2010 11:08:44 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Dropout rates are not a problem as long as unemployment compensation keeps being extended.

I say we should extend unemployment payment duration to infinity, and shut down the school systems. After all, there is no need for an education if your needs are paid for by others.


18 posted on 12/09/2010 11:09:18 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: re_nortex

“The business of education is best handled by private enterprise in the free-market with the profit motive as the incentive to drive results. “

Only if the parents and kids actually want the best education. Otherwise, you’ll just end up with schools with the best basketball programs.


19 posted on 12/09/2010 11:10:47 AM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Chanuka!)
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To: Mr. K

LOL. I wonder if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have addressed this “crises” yet.


20 posted on 12/09/2010 11:10:57 AM PST by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

California is operating as designed by the wise majority of California voters.


21 posted on 12/09/2010 11:11:27 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Perhaps we should consider that black drop out rates are not reflective of environmental factors?


22 posted on 12/09/2010 11:13:05 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Navy Patriot

Mexico to California: All of your monies belonging to us!


23 posted on 12/09/2010 11:13:37 AM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai
Hispanic students had the second highest rate at 27 percent.

I don't think I believe these figures.

How do we know whether CA is doctoring the figures to get federal funding for students counts?

24 posted on 12/09/2010 11:14:13 AM PST by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Islamism, Darwinism)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

NO HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA/GED
NO CLEAN DRUG TEST
NO WELFARE!


25 posted on 12/09/2010 11:15:44 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Headline: “Blacks Drop Out Whites Hit Hardest”


26 posted on 12/09/2010 11:15:57 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Ballygrl

End the public Dole Now!!!!


27 posted on 12/09/2010 11:16:34 AM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: donna

Trust me, if you ever get out and around our population you would realize they are not fudging these numbers.


28 posted on 12/09/2010 11:18:52 AM PST by sheana
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To: Amerikan_Samurai
We don't need no education - we're all going to be rap/hip hop stars, or make millions in the NFL or NBA. Fo shizzle.
29 posted on 12/09/2010 11:18:52 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (Looking forward to kicking Chicago out of Washington.)
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To: donna
How do we know whether CA is doctoring the figures to get federal funding for students counts?

All CA school districts have done this for years, it's taken for granted.

Government schools are a disaster and there never will be any improvement.

30 posted on 12/09/2010 11:21:10 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

big deal...........check the dropout rate for detroit...I believe it is at 75% or greater....go pound sand, california, you did this to yourselfs, like detroit did ( and continues to do ) the only good thing in detroit schools is bob bob..(robert bobb) and if this guy ran for president, he would get my vote...


31 posted on 12/09/2010 11:23:29 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: econjack

“The discussion usually ended with me showing that free markets lead to higher standard of living for all members of society than the alternatives, even though it isn’t perfect.”

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Yes. I suppose a “perfect” system would result in 100% congruence between one’s efforts and talents, and the resulting rewards.

But as far as overall fairness and improving standards of living, free markets coupled with rule of law, property rights and Christian morality, is by far, the best system that has ever been developed.

The vast majority of the “problem” with free markets can be summarized in the 10th Commandment.


32 posted on 12/09/2010 11:26:16 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: Ballygrl
Stop all benefits, 5 generations is enough, people have to stand on their own and decide whether to sink or swim. All this money that has been given over the decades haven’t done a thing.

Yes, this is the real reason for high dropouts! Stop the welfare gravy train, and kids will stay in school knowing they need a diploma to get good-paying work. Too many kids drop out knowing there's free money in welfare without having to work.

33 posted on 12/09/2010 11:31:00 AM PST by roadcat
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

If they want to close the achievement gap, they need to focus on getting white and asian test scores lower.


34 posted on 12/09/2010 11:34:06 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

They’re not dropping out - they’ve just made a different career choice ... WELFARE.


35 posted on 12/09/2010 11:37:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Navy Patriot
I worked briefly in California's inner city public schools. It’ worse than you can imagine.

These kids come from “families” that have n fathers, are third or fourth generation welfare, major parent neglect if not abuse, have substance abuse and gang/crime issues.

Many of the children have fetal alcohol and/or fetal drug syndrome which leads to lack of cognitive ability, attention deficit, innate hyperactivity and self control/violence that are amplified by exposure to gangs and violent crime.

The small select few number children who can function at a normal level and try to buck the system get dragged down by the ghetto mentality for being an oreo.

Our failed social policies have destroyed several generations of poor black children

36 posted on 12/09/2010 11:38:11 AM PST by rdcbn
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Our failed social policies have destroyed several generations of poor black children

A tragedy so unspeakably awful. And the combined forces of the KKK, American Nazi Party and George Wallace could not have pulled it off if they all gave 110% effort.


37 posted on 12/09/2010 11:44:42 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Bon mots

Is that a spade?

Man, you are so racist!

/sarc.

Seriously, I’m surprised it’s only 37 percent. When you factor in the black illegitimacy rates.... It ought to be even HIGHER.


38 posted on 12/09/2010 11:45:07 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Proving once again that the democrap party doesn’t care a fig about individual black people, they just institute social engineering designed to create depenedncy and therefore democrap votes for continuing the welfare doles of various sorts. Affirmative action turned into one of the most racist denigrations of black people ever devised by the minds of men. But it serve the DNC purpose of maintaining the dependency class democrats depend upon for votes.


39 posted on 12/09/2010 11:47:56 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: A message
the problem is a lack of decent parenting, children out of wed-lock and overall massive ignorance.
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So private or government?

Which school ( private or government) is in a better legal position to dish out heaping doses of moral instruction ( to both kids and their parents) needed to reverse the trends in parenting, illegitimacy, and ignorance?

40 posted on 12/09/2010 11:48:38 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

And of those who graduate, how many can read, write a complete sentence, and figure percentages?


41 posted on 12/09/2010 11:50:04 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: wintertime

Prov 16:26
2 Thess 3:10

Let ‘em go hungry for a while, and they’ll quickly figure out that whole “work ethic” thing.


42 posted on 12/09/2010 11:50:55 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

Well, someone has to clean the toilets.


43 posted on 12/09/2010 11:52:14 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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It’s worse than you can imagine.

No,... it's not, but sadly, the rest of your points are exactly accurate.

44 posted on 12/09/2010 11:53:55 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: brownsfan

“It’s white people’s fault.”

Nah, bro. It’s the Jews. They control everything and stole our music! They be keepin us down!

. . .oh, wait.


45 posted on 12/09/2010 11:54:56 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Ballygrl

On a related note please join us July 21 through July 24, 2011 to commemorate the 150th Sesquicentennial of the American Civil War and the Battle of First Manassas.

150 years on the dole is indeed enough.


46 posted on 12/09/2010 11:55:03 AM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

no midnight basketball???


47 posted on 12/09/2010 11:56:07 AM PST by bikerman (Impeachment ! Has a nice ring to it don't you think?)
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To: Junior_G
"If they want to close the achievement gap, they need to focus on getting white and asian test scores lower."

The solution is to stop testing...everyone will be graded the same.

48 posted on 12/09/2010 11:57:36 AM PST by blam
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To: EyeGuy

I am no expert on this. I do know in the early 1960’s we had a mandatory high school education for all males in VA. If you were not in the military at age 17, which required parental approval/signature, your fanny best be in class.I recall two 21 plus year olds in my senior class. One was a real disgrace to his father as his father was an Air Force O-6. Yet, at age 22 he graduated. I think mandatory graduation is the answer, as the military will not even take GED types now unless the person really scores high on the ASVAB. Good luck finding those critical MOS’s in this economy-” dropouts.” The Army does not want you. Neither do any of the other services.

Glen Beck reported last night that college students were told to get financial aid “food stamps.” Then we had the Obama education lady say all students should have free laptops and Internet. Surprising to this lady this has been tried. The result was the laptops were trashed, used by other family members,and; you tube videos were what the teens watched. Even the teachers failed to become PC literate. I am told each year to give more to our schools. They,the students and teachers do worse each year. The military would relieve any commander whose company or whatever failed. We must do the same with our teachers.

Now, I want to be positive despite the obvious negativity.I believe we-”YES WE” must demand that our federal, state, and local officials mandate that all must obtain a high school diploma as a minimum. No pass or fail. No multi language BS. No excuses. If you are 18 and have not graduated, you stay in high school until you do. If it takes wearing a “Dunce” hat-so be it.


49 posted on 12/09/2010 12:02:33 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

The world needs ditchdiggers too.

50 posted on 12/09/2010 12:04:11 PM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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