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Report: Brown may put Calif. budget on the ballot
MSNBC ^ | December 9, 2010 | MSNBC

Posted on 12/09/2010 5:52:47 PM PST by americanophile

California Gov.-elect Jerry Brown, who in 25 days will inherit a state in a decade-long economic crisis, is hinting that he will ask voters to make the choice of approving higher taxes or living with big cuts in government services.

In a meeting with Republican senators this week, Brown said he wants to "rip the Band-Aid off next year," referring to the state's budget woes, and hinted that a special election this summer was part of the plan, the Los Angeles Times reported.

California has furloughed state workers and cut some services, but is still in a deep economic well.

"He intimated strongly that he wanted to go to the ballot but did not say so explicitly," Republican Senate minority leader Bob Dutton told the Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: brown; budget; california; vote
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I have to hand it to them, this is truly Machiavellian. Put it to a vote, and let your union thugs and welfare recipients who just railroaded every Republican on the ballot deliver the win for you. You can raise taxes, continue to pay off your public employee union base with the revenue, and blame 'the people' for the pain of a tax hike.
1 posted on 12/09/2010 5:52:57 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

It isn’t going to be as easy as he thinks. Did you see this?

http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2010/12/07/rolling-blue-state-bailout-ended-in-tax-agreement/


2 posted on 12/09/2010 5:55:35 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

California is too important to the Dems, they’ll find a way around it. They will bankrupt everyone in the state before they allow the precious public employee unions to feel the pain.


3 posted on 12/09/2010 5:58:40 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

one idea would be to manage the state services under him.

my wife and i renewed our drivers’ licenses and had to return

twice because of clerical errors.


4 posted on 12/09/2010 5:59:40 PM PST by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: americanophile
I have to hand it to them, this is truly Machiavellian. Put it to a vote, and let your union thugs and welfare recipients who just railroaded every Republican on the ballot deliver the win for you. You can raise taxes, continue to pay off your public employee union base with the revenue, and blame 'the people' for the pain of a tax hike.

And as unemployment goes up and more tax paying people leave the state, revenue will continue to fall.
Then they can vote again to raise the tax rate to cover the short fall.......rinse and repeat.

Pretty soon the only ones to pay for the fat pensions are the pensioners.

Hopefully, our House of Reps won't be foolish enough to bail these idiots out with our tax money.

5 posted on 12/09/2010 5:59:56 PM PST by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: americanophile

You got that right...this is beyond stupid. I’m all for it if they make the stipulation that only people that add to the tax base are allowed to vote.


6 posted on 12/09/2010 6:00:14 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: americanophile

Brown is going to be interesting.

He has no ideology, no morality, and does not consider himself beholden to the ‘left’ who elected him.
Far more dangerous and unpredictable than any politician we’ve seen in a long time. he is very smart and ruthless. there is no person or constituency, right or left, who would not get shanked if is in his interest.


7 posted on 12/09/2010 6:00:50 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Sergio

I would treat this like the left treated executive salaries and benefits.

Unions cannot get retirement funding, raises, or medical benefits as long as the state is in the red.

Put it up for a vote. When the unions scream, turn it into a campaign ad.


8 posted on 12/09/2010 6:02:54 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: americanophile

“he will ask voters to make the choice of approving higher taxes or living with big cuts in government services.”

I vote for “big cuts in government services”


9 posted on 12/09/2010 6:03:44 PM PST by blkmontecarlo
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To: La Lydia

Everyone has been screaming...no bailout for California. I have told everyone that it is/already is happening.
They are sly because no one understands bonds.


10 posted on 12/09/2010 6:08:13 PM PST by sheana
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To: americanophile

He’s a whimp. He causes a mess, then puts it on the ballot so he won’t need to take the heat for undoing his mess.


11 posted on 12/09/2010 6:08:27 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Sergio

While he’s at it, he might as well let the Mexicans vote as well. The voters aren’t going to vote to tighten the belt. They could care less whether the state goes bust. It’s a gimmee mentality.


12 posted on 12/09/2010 6:10:00 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: americanophile

As long as other states are not required to anti-up for their stupidity.


13 posted on 12/09/2010 6:10:10 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Swordmaker; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ..

14 posted on 12/09/2010 6:10:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: americanophile

Brown knows that at least 2/3 of the population in Cali gets some kind of assistance and it would pass.


15 posted on 12/09/2010 6:10:41 PM PST by sheana
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To: RedStateRocker

I think it’s going to be interesting, but I disagree with your view of Brown. He remains a leftwinger with a leftist ideology, a warped sense of morality, and he’s entirely beholden to the left who elected him - the whole Democratic structure in California rests upon the unions - he won’t buck that system. He’s smart and ruthless alright, but his wife and the Dem machine will keep him in line - the left won’t get shanked, only the right. He’ll just do it in a way that makes people think he’s ‘matured and changed’ since his younger days as moonbeam. People will hear his leftists BS and call it ‘nuance,’ but the result will be the same.


16 posted on 12/09/2010 6:13:06 PM PST by americanophile
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To: blkmontecarlo

Ya, me too. Another election we’ll lose.


17 posted on 12/09/2010 6:13:32 PM PST by americanophile
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To: blkmontecarlo

Yes, but the ones who elected this skank will vote for higher taxes...for everyone except themselves, that is.


18 posted on 12/09/2010 6:13:57 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: sheana

Yep!


19 posted on 12/09/2010 6:14:43 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Conservatives should start packing up right now, small business owners, any that are left, can find a better place to set up shop.


20 posted on 12/09/2010 6:15:22 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: americanophile
I want more taxes....Please tax me more government!!!

Take my used furniture and used dog....

We want more taxes! Help us government! We want more taxes!

21 posted on 12/09/2010 6:16:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: Politically Correct

The federal government will bail them out, just as they wll Michigan and whatever other states hit bankruptcy


22 posted on 12/09/2010 6:17:12 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: americanophile
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.
Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler

23 posted on 12/09/2010 6:23:26 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: americanophile
Raising taxes will do absolutely no good.

It will actually reduce revenues to California's treasury.

24 posted on 12/09/2010 6:24:28 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: americanophile

You may well be right, but I see the man as being the sort to *use* the left more than being part of the left.
Power and fame are the drug, the policies, the letter after the name, matter for nought,


25 posted on 12/09/2010 6:24:57 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: americanophile

Oh this should be good. :)


26 posted on 12/09/2010 6:26:01 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: americanophile
Moonbeam is like the rest of the 60’s boneheads in Calif. He will feel every ones pain and ask all to work together. NO ILLEGAL FIX, NO BUDGET FIX AND NO TAX FIX (as in creating a better business atmosphere).
27 posted on 12/09/2010 6:30:08 PM PST by jetson
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To: americanophile

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/chicken.wav


28 posted on 12/09/2010 6:37:09 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Amerigomag

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money...Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.””

- Alexis de Tocqueville


29 posted on 12/09/2010 6:46:06 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
California has a balanced budget amendment...

I'm just sayin'.

30 posted on 12/09/2010 6:46:12 PM PST by GVnana (I'm a Mama Grizzly)
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To: americanophile

Turn out the lights,
The party is over.

-Dandy Don Meredith-


31 posted on 12/09/2010 6:56:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: americanophile

Remember that Arrrhnold put many anti-union propositions on the ballot in 2005 and all those leftists in Ca. voted it all down. Good luck with the ballot thang for fiscal sanity and expecting the majority Kookifornians to vote the right way this time. Nyet!


33 posted on 12/09/2010 7:00:46 PM PST by tflabo
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The unions put MILLIONS of dollars into ads against the Arnold initiatives. How can you compete when your opponents outspend you 100-1?


34 posted on 12/09/2010 7:23:34 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: americanophile

Last time California voted whether to raise taxes the answer was a resounding NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


35 posted on 12/09/2010 7:40:24 PM PST by BAW (Joy to the World.)
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To: boop
"The unions put MILLIONS of dollars into ads against the Arnold initiatives. How can you compete when your opponents outspend you 100-1?"

Education and truth. Unfortunately, both are all but extinct thanks to the nea and msm.
36 posted on 12/09/2010 7:52:59 PM PST by JoSixChip (A nation of sheep will be led by pigs!)
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To: americanophile

If we’re going to do that, why exactly do we need a legislature?


37 posted on 12/09/2010 7:56:06 PM PST by RichInOC ("I am Governor Jerry Brown, my aura smiles and never frowns, soon I will be President....")
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To: americanophile

I fear there are not enough taxpayers in CA to win such an election.


38 posted on 12/09/2010 8:14:06 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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If you have to prove you pay CA Income Taxes before you are able to Vote, I'm all for it.

One other thing, that would be after you proved you were a Citizen of course.

39 posted on 12/09/2010 8:18:16 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: RichInOC
We don't have a Legislature in CA, we have a room full of teenagers with a no limit American Express Black Card.
40 posted on 12/09/2010 8:26:20 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: americanophile

Why put it on the ballot just do it, I live in CA we can vote for something with 78% of the people saying NO they don’t want a certain thing and it goes to the courts I don’t need to go into detail what I am talking about. We voted many years ago to stopping illegals and that went to court, the list goes on and on.
Let’s see CA run by dems, the bay area has the mass of people to vote for increased taxes just do it we are expecting it, I give up living in CA frankly the CA legislature doesn’t care about the people.


41 posted on 12/09/2010 8:38:35 PM PST by proudCArepublican
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Why put it on the ballot just do it, I live in CA we can vote for something with 78% of the people saying NO they don’t want a certain thing and it goes to the courts I don’t need to go into detail what I am talking about. We voted many years ago to stopping illegals and that went to court, the list goes on and on.
Let’s see CA run by dems, the bay area has the mass of people to vote for increased taxes just do it we are expecting it, I give up living in CA frankly the CA legislature doesn’t care about the people.


42 posted on 12/09/2010 8:43:00 PM PST by proudCArepublican
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To: Politically Correct
And as unemployment goes up and more tax paying people leave the state, revenue will continue to fall. Then they can vote again to raise the tax rate to cover the short fall.......rinse and repeat.

Yep. It's going to come down to, "Who will be the last white farmer in Zimbabwe?"
Get out. Run, don't walk.

43 posted on 12/09/2010 8:57:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: americanophile

aaaahhhh...Governor Moonbeam...the med fly...the extreme damage to agriculture before Moonbeam finally allowed pesticide spraying...after things were so bad that even CITIES had to be sprayed. Whadda’ governor that was!


44 posted on 12/09/2010 9:01:41 PM PST by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

True dat. Alcoholic teenagers.


45 posted on 12/09/2010 9:23:50 PM PST by RichInOC ("I am Governor Jerry Brown, my aura smiles and never frowns, soon I will be President....")
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To: americanophile

Mob Rule at last. California finally arrives at the meltdown point.


46 posted on 12/09/2010 9:56:23 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: americanophile

I hope we put his recall on the same ballot!


47 posted on 12/10/2010 3:23:34 AM PST by Always Independent
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Eh, if enough Californians vote for it, then they are getting what they voted for. IE - what they wanted to have happen.

And if it’s the typical soak-the-’rich’ scheme, the ‘rich’ will leave. Which leaves a higher percentage of Californians as the parasites that vote themselves the largess of the non-parasites. But there won’t be many non-parasites left, so they’ll then turn on each other until it all collapses.


48 posted on 12/10/2010 7:09:15 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: GeronL

Farmers and other agriculturists could have a tough time moving.

It's not impossible to sell farmland, but it can be difficult to get a good price, and one that will buy suitable "replacement" land, which is the cases of some row crops & orchards, can be very much next to impossible to adequately replace.

There are climatic reasons why California is the nation's salad bowl. Lettuce, celery, broccoli, cauliflower, tomatoes (South Florida alone can't grow enough winter tomatoes, or particularly grow enough roma's for ketchup).

Avocados, anyone?
The avocados on the Coast near Morro Bay are getting ripe and being picked --- about now.

They may not be as quite good as some the best which come from the San Diego area (which also ripen sooner) but they easily beat the Chilean ones I've seen, in every category --- size, texture, taste, overall quality in general.

Then there are the honeybees, and the almonds. Pistachios & walnuts, Navel & Valencia oranges, lemons, limes and other assorted citrus. Some rice, a little cotton... and that is only the beginning.

A California crab license won't do a guy much good elsewhere. A California salmon troll permit doesn't do anyone much of any good, anywhere. Swordfish drift net permits, ain't worth what they used to be (due to increasing regulations, as much as anything) but the State will not allow longline for much of anything other than blackcod (sablefish), and that and many other fisheries are all done in Federal waters, anyway, though California regulates anything that is landed through their ports unless one declares intent to fish high seas (outside of 200 miles).

Some businesses are very much area specific.

49 posted on 12/10/2010 3:55:40 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: ncalburt

I have assumed that the assault on Prop 13 would come, but haven’t seen any articles on it yet. Do you know of one, or the nature of the scheme Sussman was talking about?


50 posted on 12/10/2010 4:04:36 PM PST by americanophile
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