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Keep Christ in Unemployment
Townhall.com ^ | December 11, 2010 | Bill O'Reilly

Posted on 12/11/2010 5:25:54 AM PST by Kaslin

Tis the season to be jolly, but you can forget about that in political circles. The current angst about the economy and taxes is so intense that even Santa's reindeers are spooked. Speaking the other day on a cable news program, liberal Congressman Jim McDermott put it this way: "This is Christmastime. We talk about Good Samaritans, the poor, the little baby Jesus in the cradle and all this stuff. And then we say to the unemployed we won't give you a check to feed your family. That's simply wrong."

As I wrote in this space a couple of weeks ago, the liberal agenda in America is expanding and now includes demands for guaranteed jobs at good wages for all who want to work. Unemployment benefits were extended again this year, and if the Obama tax compromise is passed, $150 billion more will be added to the deficit. Adding it all up, the total debt of the United States will soon exceed $14 trillion.

By invoking the baby Jesus, McDermott puts an important question in play: What does a moral society owe to the have-nots? How much public money should go to those in financial trouble?

Many liberals believe there should not be any limits. Just this week, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a state of emergency because his state is bankrupt. The liberal legislature in Sacramento has spent so much money on entitlements for the poor and state union workers that it owes an astounding $158 billion.

If the wild spending continues on the federal level, the entire country will be adversely affected. Right now, the financial future of most Americans hinges on the dollar retaining its dominant position in the world. But if our currency collapses under unpaid debts, so will personal assets.

There comes a time when compassion can cause disaster. If you open your home to scores of homeless folks, you will not have a home for long. There is a capacity problem for every noble intent.

America remains the land of opportunity, but you have to work for it. The unemployment rate for college graduates is 5 percent. For high-school dropouts, it is 16 percent. Personal responsibility is usually the driving force behind success. But there are millions of Americans who are not responsible, and the cold truth is that the rest of us cannot afford to support them.

Every fair-minded person should support government safety nets for people who need assistance through no fault of their own. But guys like McDermott don't make distinctions like that. For them, the baby Jesus wants us to "provide" no matter what the circumstance. But being a Christian, I know that while Jesus promoted charity at the highest level, he was not self-destructive.

The Lord helps those who help themselves. Does he not?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: elitistgasbag; loofahman; tedbaxter

1 posted on 12/11/2010 5:25:55 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
The Lord helps those who help themselves. Does he not?

No! He helps those who trust in Him alone.

2 posted on 12/11/2010 5:31:16 AM PST by WhatNot
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To: Kaslin

There comes a time when compassion can cause disaster. If you open your home to scores of homeless folks, you will not have a home for long. There is a capacity problem for every noble intent.
***That’s some impressive writing.

But being a Christian, I know that while Jesus promoted charity at the highest level, he was not self-destructive.
***Interesting point. In the end, He really was self-destructive, laying down His for those who didn’t deserve it. Christ did not have a capacity problem.

The Lord helps those who help themselves. Does he not?
***That is not a biblical expression. It’s unfortunate that such good writing ends on a wrong note.


3 posted on 12/11/2010 5:34:02 AM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kaslin

“America remains the land of opportunity, but you have to work for it”

There are now at least 3 generations that say you don’t have to work for it and now it is even offensive to some to ask them to work.


4 posted on 12/11/2010 5:42:51 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: WhatNot

Right on!


5 posted on 12/11/2010 5:43:38 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Kaslin

This monster supports partial birth abortion, supports cloning for medical research, and supports embryonic stem cell research.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 5:44:37 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be ustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Kaslin

The bible does say that we (the church are to take care of the widows and the orphans. it also says that those who dont work (but are able to) should not eat either.

No where does the bible say that we are to steal other people’s money in order to take care of the poor.

Theft, even by taxation, is still a sin.


7 posted on 12/11/2010 5:51:11 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Kaslin

It is CHARITY if I willingly give of my OWN money. If the govt takes My money to pay someone else, that’s just (legalized) STEALING!


8 posted on 12/11/2010 5:53:35 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: Kaslin

I thought Christmas was outlawed in every public place because the birth of Jesus is offensive to liberals. Can’t have it both ways.


9 posted on 12/11/2010 5:55:28 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: NewCenturions
The Democrat Party is rooted in covetousness, one of the big sins, that is proscribed in the Ten Commandments.
10 posted on 12/11/2010 5:56:56 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Fear God and Government - especially when one tries to become the other!)
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To: Kaslin
Every fair-minded person should support government safety nets for people who need assistance through no fault of their own.

Nonsense. That's one option, certainly, but another fair-minded person might reasonably observe that the government lacks the capacity to determine who needs assistance "through no fault of their own."

11 posted on 12/11/2010 5:58:14 AM PST by Tax-chick (He will be Peace.)
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To: John O

Actually taxation is robbery because the government takes with the implied threat of the application of deadly force should one resist haveing their property taken.

In the Bible Government was established for two reasons: 1. To protect against enemies. 2. To keep order.[Punish wrong doers].


12 posted on 12/11/2010 6:00:18 AM PST by sport
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To: Kaslin

Foreclose and stamp out the unemployed.

It’s their fault the jobs moved offshore anyway.


13 posted on 12/11/2010 6:04:42 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Kaslin
Just like the ‘Race’ card and the ‘Children's’ card, Leftists will use the ‘Christmas’ card to play on emotions to get whatever they want. In the series ‘V’ the head of the Visitors says ‘we will use their emotions against them’. We need to toughen up and do what's right. And no, Jesus was not a community organizer and did not believe in endless benefits for those who couldn't be bothered to work.
14 posted on 12/11/2010 6:05:51 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: NewCenturions

I once got into an argument with an LATimes columnist (a guest on Michael Medved’s radio show)who kept referring to my charitable contributions as his money. He said I might not do the right thing with my contributions (give money to charities that the Left doesn’t support)and the Government was better able to determine where the money should go. Consider this.......in Socialist countries there aren’t many domestic charities. You don’t need domestic charities when the Government takes care of everyone at the expense of the higher wage earners. The jealousy, from the lower income earners, of high wage earners in those countries is tangible. I am so sad that the class warfare of Socialism is now rampant in our country.


17 posted on 12/11/2010 6:12:40 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Kaslin
This reminds me quite a bit of the natural denouement of Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol. It must be obvious to anyone who stops to consider the prospect that Scrooge must have gone bankrupt in the years immediately following his conversion, throwing Bob Cratchit out of work and losing the financial means by which any good arising out of his change of heart could be effected.
18 posted on 12/11/2010 6:14:17 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Tolsti2

Isn’t it a bit early to be drinking?


19 posted on 12/11/2010 6:14:46 AM PST by Former War Criminal (My senior Senator [who served in Vietnam and Rhode Island] said so.)
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To: Tolsti2

Depression is treatable. You should see your doctor.


20 posted on 12/11/2010 6:14:52 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: originalbuckeye

Class warfare in this country is a 2-way road. IMO it’s the social securety entitlement class on here that complains the most about UI benefits.


21 posted on 12/11/2010 6:15:54 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: icwhatudo
This monster supports partial birth abortion, supports cloning for medical research, and supports embryonic stem cell research.

In that case, I agree with McDermott.

22 posted on 12/11/2010 6:17:05 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Kaslin

The number of poor and wretched will ALWAYS exceed the ability to care for them, especially when assistance is simply handed to them. We’ve lost the War on Poverty, badly, and here we are opening up another front in that war. Huh?

And there might be an upside to cutting off these unemployment extensions. If a few hundred thousand people start missing meals, they might resort to some creative solutions such as under-the-table businesses and other civil disobedience. Let’s let the market do what it does best! Baby birds won’t fly until momma kicks them out of the nest.

For further enlightenment, please read about Senator Davy Crockett — yes, THAT Davy Crockett — and the lecture he got from some farmer because he voted to help the unfortunate. Helping the downtrodden is NOT a legitimate government function!


23 posted on 12/11/2010 6:17:27 AM PST by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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To: Tolsti2

The Democrats enacted one. it is called obamacare. it will effectively take care of [kill] their voting base once all the provisions in it become effective. This is why they will need the illegal voting bloc. Another advantage of having the illegals vote is that they will never run out of bodies. How will this work? After each election, they will quitely have deportations of thosewho voted for them and begin filtering in another bunch for the next election cycle.


24 posted on 12/11/2010 6:17:50 AM PST by sport
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To: sport

I’m not for obamacare for illegals. Next??


26 posted on 12/11/2010 6:19:26 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: usual suspect

I once heard Michael Moore say we should refer to govt healthcare as “Christianized healthcare”! They won’t mention Christ unless he fits THEIR needs. They have no concept of giving of their own money. Why doesn’t every fatazz democrat, hollywood nut, and bleeding heart offer their OWN FORTUNE to the poor as example?!


27 posted on 12/11/2010 6:21:36 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions

This is turning into a really nasty conflict. It shouldn’t be ‘obamacaa vs vs UI benefits’

That’s a stupid damn move they’re doing and some are falling for it here.

You can be for UI benefits for 99 weeks and against obamacare. Like me. Stop the accurations, morons. And that’s to anyone that thought I was saying anything different.


28 posted on 12/11/2010 6:24:36 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

I paraphrase a freeper who said - first 6 months, it’s unemployment, after that, it’s welfare. I work for an employment agencies. Yes, jobs are scarce, but we still get people TURNING DOWN JOBS because they are waiting for unemployment checks to run out!


29 posted on 12/11/2010 6:28:38 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: Tolsti2
Stop the accurations, morons

Let's see, on this thread, you've accused those who disagree with you of wanting to kill those on the unemployment roles. Then you had to take it a step further and invoke Jesus in your sick little delusion.

Now you call anyone with whom you disagree a moron, while making up words (accurations?).

You've probably done more by your actions to damage your argument than support it. In fact, you haven't made an argument at all on this thread - just berated anyone with whom you perceive disagreement.

So what's your solution? Is 99 weeks the final final cutoff, or do we have to extend it out to 150 weeks. How about 300? What about lifetime?

Somewhere, there's a point that it has to be cut off. The argument, it seems, is where. Where's your cutoff, and how far away is it from 99 that those who disagree with the number want to kill off participants?
30 posted on 12/11/2010 6:42:37 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: NewCenturions

They are relying on guilt. Guilt may have worked in the past, but guilt is a lower energy form of the ego...it has been replaced with ANGER!!! Much more efficient form of emotion in dealing with an enemy.


31 posted on 12/11/2010 6:44:27 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: Tolsti2
We Freepers make a distinction between those who CAN'T WORK and those who CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO WORK. There are many who won't take available jobs because they make MORE on unemployment. Read up on Star Parker. She is a Black woman who was on welfare and found it difficult to leave the Nanny State. She was encouraged at every turn to stay on public assistance. She got housing, food and even daycare when she wasn't working. This now Conservative woman got off welfare and has made something of herself. She ran for Congress this last election cycle in the city of Long Beach. The Left is so entrenched in Southern California that she didn't win. She is a writer and her work is really inspiring. We believe that the poor and needy can be taken care of through charitable contributions. We are not greedy or insensitive. We believe that living off the Government when you don't have to takes away the incentive to do anything for yourself. And then you begin to detest the people who are supporting you because those who are working have more stuff. Go watch the youtube video of Prince Charles’ car being beaten by students who think they are entitled to free college. I used to live in Britain. The Entitlement Class is larger than the Working Class. The ‘parasites’ are about to kill the ‘host’. (and no, I am NOT referring specifically to the Royal Family as working class)
32 posted on 12/11/2010 6:48:13 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Kaslin

Keep unemployment at 99 weeks
full benefits for 33 weeks
1/2 benefits for the next 33 weeks
then halve that again for the last 33 weeks.
then....welcome to the world of the hunter gatherer, the doers, the taxpayers, the tea partiers, the providers, a person not having an incentive to vote democrat, etc..
The number one reason for going on welfare...because its there.
Apply this formula to all welfare, where there comes a point where welfare is not as lucrative as a paying job, then recipients will be weaned off the dole...kicked out of the dependent nest...”nudged” into self reliance and responsibility.


33 posted on 12/11/2010 6:56:10 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: Kaslin
Congressman Jim McDermott put it this way: "This is Christmastime. We talk about Good Samaritans, the poor, the little baby Jesus in the cradle and all this stuff. And then we say to the unemployed we won't give you a check to feed your family. That's simply wrong."

Well Congressman McDermott, since your conscience bothers you so much I'll tell ya what.

You are a Doctor, a Psychiatrist by trade. So why not resign from Congress - after all you've been there 22 years - and open a FREE Mental Health Clinic in Seattle that treats Alcoholics and Junkies and give FREE counseling to the unemployed in 'your' 7th District of WA.

By using all your medical skills you would be able to give hope to these poor, unemployed, downtrodden masses and make useful citizens again of some of those with Abuse problems. And since you're doing it for FREE they don't have to worry about not having any medical insurance.

Now that I am sure would make Jesus happy - since you're so concerned about him - and you could hold your head high for doing something noble 'again'.

So how about it 'Doctor' McDermott?

(((((( crickets ))))))

34 posted on 12/11/2010 7:20:41 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Tolsti2

Me either. But I was not asked my opinion.


35 posted on 12/11/2010 8:18:13 AM PST by sport
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To: chrisser

The cutoff, which this is all about, is 99 weeks.

The attacks on those getting 26-99 weeks on here are sick.

Period.

If people are unable to recover in that time due to this economy they may need to move up the stage.

You’re bringing up strawmen with that 150/300/lifetime, bad bad BAD form.


36 posted on 12/11/2010 9:19:21 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Kaslin
The Lord helps those who help themselves. Does he not?

Uh what verse is that from? So many selfish people think that all that they have they earned on their own.

They're mistaken.

37 posted on 12/11/2010 9:29:54 AM PST by Tempest (I give up)
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To: Kaslin
It really pisses me off how a bunch of insincere, low-life, greedy jerks try to feign piety when their pocket books are threatened.

Christianity is not conservatism and if you really put God first you'll place righteousness before politics.

38 posted on 12/11/2010 9:34:07 AM PST by Tempest (I give up)
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To: NewCenturions

That’s why it’s called taxation and not charity.


39 posted on 12/11/2010 9:34:59 AM PST by Tempest (I give up)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

And the republican party isn’t?!


40 posted on 12/11/2010 9:35:48 AM PST by Tempest (I give up)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
In the Republican party, it is still a sin; Democrat Party, it's a sacrament.
41 posted on 12/11/2010 11:38:46 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Fear God and Government - especially when one tries to become the other!)
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To: Tolsti2
The cutoff, which this is all about, is 99 weeks.

For now. Then they will be extended and the same arguments will apply, just like the same arguments existed as each tier was passed and increased.

The attacks on those getting 26-99 weeks on here are sick.

Period.


The closest to an "attack" on this thread came from you.

Imagine, the people who are paying for these programs are questioning their efficacy. The nerve!

If people are unable to recover in that time due to this economy they may need to move up the stage.

You’re bringing up strawmen with that 150/300/lifetime, bad bad BAD form.


You can whine about my form when you don't get your posts pulled.

Your last sentence is essentially an admission that 99 weeks may not be enough. Well what number is enough? My "strawmen" are going to be real questions in pretty short order. And you're going to call into question the motives of anyone who draws the line at 110 weeks, or 150 weeks or 300 weeks, just like you're doing now at 99?

You are apparently the expert. So, again, at what number of weeks will taxpayers funding it be be justified at questioning your holy program?
42 posted on 12/11/2010 1:53:49 PM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: chrisser

When the economy is this terrible, 99 weeks seems proper to me.


43 posted on 12/11/2010 3:54:25 PM PST by Tolsti2
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