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Arms Treaty Draws More GOP Votes
Wall Street Journal ^ | 12/11/10 | J Weisman

Posted on 12/11/2010 8:49:08 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat

White House officials said Friday that they have the 67 Senate votes needed to ratify a new U.S. nuclear-arms accord with Russia, and President Barack Obama will delay his planned vacation in Hawaii until the Senate votes.

The declaration came after Maine's two Republican senators, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, declared their support for the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: Hawaii; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: capitulation; congress; hawaii; maine; obama; olympiasnowe; russia; russians; senate; start; susancollins; wimps
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"Congress won't leave before Start is done," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs. "START will get done, and START will get done with a strong, bipartisan vote."

Also from the article:

Sens. Snowe and Collins are only the second and third Republicans to publicly declare their support for New START, after Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana. But eight others have suggested they will vote for it.

Lugar, Snowe, Collins...and who are the other 8?

I tell ya what, seems to me the REPUBLICAN PARTY still hasn't learned a lesson. Hussein is NOT TO BE ALLOWED TO COMPROMISE OUR SECURITY, dammit.

How idiotic are these people? They're agreeing with Hussein MORE than the Demon-rats in the House!

1 posted on 12/11/2010 8:49:13 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The RINOs are going to vote for the treaty. But there’s no compelling argument to ratify it.


2 posted on 12/11/2010 8:52:10 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Last year Ted Kennedy seat flipped because of Obamacare and we still got Obamacare.

After last months repudiation of everything Obama we can't even stall out this Treaty for a couple of more weeks?!

3 posted on 12/11/2010 8:53:49 AM PST by AU72
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Dims didn’t even run anyone against Lugar in 2006. Why bother. He supports all their macro-agenda stuff.


4 posted on 12/11/2010 8:55:42 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

WE NEED TO MARCH ON GOP HEADQUARTERS NEXT!!!!!!!


5 posted on 12/11/2010 8:56:14 AM PST by Mr. K ('Profiling' is much worse than grabbing your balls)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

And if START does not pass as a treaty, they are ready to ram it through as a piece of standard legislation attached to the Defense Appropriations bill, the same way they are going to stick us with DADT. It will be federal law “in the spirit” of the treaty.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 8:59:29 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: AU72

Call Boehner’s office (Bonehead) and remind him of the November 5 2nd election and what the message that We The People sent was. It wasn’t this BS. How do we get someone to run against this RINO? I tried to call his office yesterday and his Mail Box was FULL! I’m sure the messages weren’t congratulations on his obvious caving and ignoring of the American people.


7 posted on 12/11/2010 9:01:54 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The declaration came after Maine's two Republican senators, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, declared their support for the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty

Let me guess, Murk'ski and Brown'ski in the mix?

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero

8 posted on 12/11/2010 9:03:30 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Before Boehner takes over from that woman, Nancy, already he looks like TOAST!


9 posted on 12/11/2010 9:05:39 AM PST by A. Morgan
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Why would you advocate calling the Speaker-elect when only the Senate votes on treaty ratification?


10 posted on 12/11/2010 9:07:03 AM PST by RightGuy
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To: ExTexasRedhead
I tried to call his office yesterday and his Mail Box was FULL! I’m sure the messages weren’t congratulations on his obvious caving and ignoring of the American people.

Same with McConnell's DC number. Busy/voicemail full. Disrespectful disregard for We the People.

11 posted on 12/11/2010 9:07:20 AM PST by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Boehner cannot really do anything about this since only the Senate approves treaties.
12 posted on 12/11/2010 9:09:55 AM PST by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: Perdogg
Boehner cannot really do anything about this since only the Senate approves treaties.

If the Senate does not ratify Start III, they will try to ram it through as a normal piece of Federal legislation, likely attached to the Defense Appropriations bill (With the repeal of DADT). Many "treaties" have been passed as federal legislation to bypass the 2/3rds Senate requirement.

Should this happen, we will need the Republicans to shoot down the appropriations bill until these things are taken off.

13 posted on 12/11/2010 9:13:39 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90

Let us cross that bridge when we come to it. However, right now, the House is powerless.


14 posted on 12/11/2010 9:15:07 AM PST by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: RightGuy

One would certainly expect that McConnell and Boehner discuss our national security. I would highly recommend that Boehner inform McConnell and the gang that We The People sent them a message on November 2nd. They’re all in this together. Apparently, RINOs didn’t get the message; any of them! Calling Boehner and McConnell about everything disastrous for our country would be prudent at this point in our slide down the toilet bowl.


15 posted on 12/11/2010 9:16:47 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: RightGuy
Why would you advocate calling the Speaker-elect when only the Senate votes on treaty ratification?

Shhhh...Germans bombing Pearl Harbor...


16 posted on 12/11/2010 9:17:37 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Perdogg

Don’t be suprised if the current version of the appropiations bill has this stuck into it.

And, Federal legislation is a much harder thing for a President to break, should we win in 2012. So, even if the treaty does pass, if a piece of legislation is passed by the House and Senate, and signed by the President, it would make it that much harder for a future President to break the treaty as it will also be Federal law. Presidents can break treaties at will, but not regular legislation. And, the Dems would include such a poison pill to hamstring a future administration.


17 posted on 12/11/2010 9:17:54 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90

Folks, it is over. We lost. Arm up, prepare to defend yourselves because counting on the criminal cartel in DC is like betting on their being no sunrise tomorrow.

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go along with this POS treaty. That wide eyed nut case in the oval office is the enemy of the state. Conspiring with foreign nations against this sovern nation is IMO treason.


18 posted on 12/11/2010 9:18:59 AM PST by Mouton
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The House doesn’t vote on or ratify treaties. Boehner will have nothing to do with this.


19 posted on 12/11/2010 9:21:50 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Boehner is in the House and they have nothing to do with this.


20 posted on 12/11/2010 9:25:10 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Thunder90

No, a Treaty is almost impossible to break without grave geopolitical consequences. Legislation is a comparative cake walk.


21 posted on 12/11/2010 9:27:25 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Mouton

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go along with this POS treaty. That wide eyed nut case in the oval office is the enemy of the state. Conspiring with foreign nations against this sovern nation is IMO treason.

Do you have any idea how vindictive and evil Obama is going to be after being humiliated by Clinton, yesterday? Like a purse fight in a gay bar!


22 posted on 12/11/2010 9:27:50 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
My guess based on RINO status:

Grahmnesty
McDemocrat
Voinovich
Mookowski
Kirk
Brown
Hatch
Hutchison

23 posted on 12/11/2010 9:33:15 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: NonValueAdded

Bush broke the ABM treaty with ease.


24 posted on 12/11/2010 9:34:20 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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25 posted on 12/11/2010 9:37:52 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: VRWC For Truth

according to the commies, they have 67 votes. Why vote this commie piece of crap in the lame duck??? the repubs are pathetic.


26 posted on 12/11/2010 9:45:03 AM PST by biggredd1
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To: NonValueAdded
No, a Treaty is almost impossible to break without grave geopolitical consequences. Legislation is a comparative cake walk.

Yep. A treaty duly ratified by a 2/3 vote of the Senate becomes a part of the law of the land.

27 posted on 12/11/2010 9:54:59 AM PST by Ole Okie (American)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

ETR, Boehner has nothing to do with this. All Senate.


28 posted on 12/11/2010 10:05:07 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Once again, McCain is selling out:

“Mr. McCain said, “I still hope we will be able to bring this up next week, and a lot of work is being done to that effect....I think we are very close.”


29 posted on 12/11/2010 10:10:02 AM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Thunder90
Bush broke the ABM treaty with ease.

Yes, but that was a calculated move and was actually within the terms of the treaty. Technically he did not "break" it.

Treaties are the law of the land (Article VI Clause 2) and actually breaking them without the support of Congress is an impeachable offense. A nation does not back out of a treaty without a careful calculation of the consequences. That doesn't mean it is never done, just that it is not done lightly.

30 posted on 12/11/2010 10:10:06 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

“Those public pronouncements suggest Republicans are willing to break with Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R., Ariz.), a skeptic of the treaty who has repeatedly said the accord can’t be voted on this year.”

Kyl is still fighting it — I bet his office would tell us who the other 8 Republicans are who are considering voting for this.


31 posted on 12/11/2010 10:11:39 AM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Hussein wants this and he wants it really bad! It’s almost like he has to get this passed, why? Why is this so important to him? What happens if he doesn’t?


32 posted on 12/11/2010 10:14:55 AM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Come on GOP...what are you thinking? This adds fuel to the fire. RINOs and democrats, and the people simply ask why. We, now, know you are not for our children, and never were, none who vote for this will be, for our children.
33 posted on 12/11/2010 10:16:22 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

1/5/2011 may come too late.


34 posted on 12/11/2010 10:17:15 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Thank you for the clarification. These amoral political hacks have made it abundantly clear that they’re all political hacks that need to go. The light of truth has never been clearer.


35 posted on 12/11/2010 10:25:10 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Thunder90
Bush broke the ABM treaty with ease.

The fact that one of the signatories ceased to exist(Soviet Union) meant the the treaty no longer did either. That's not the case here.

36 posted on 12/11/2010 10:33:12 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: ExTexasRedhead

this is about the Senate — Boehner is in the House not the Senate

treaties are submitted to the US Senate for ratification


37 posted on 12/11/2010 10:36:17 AM PST by Enchante (12/10/10: Obama just abdicated his Presidency to Bill Clinton at the Tax Policy Press Conference!)
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To: Tonytitan

The treaty was still in effect as Russia became the legal successor of the Soviet Union at the Union level.


38 posted on 12/11/2010 10:39:43 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I tell ya what, seems to me the REPUBLICAN PARTY still hasn't learned a lesson...

Some will never learn; we'll just have to continue taking out the trash every two years.

39 posted on 12/11/2010 10:46:25 AM PST by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The GOP is going to go down like the WHIG party and the Dodo bird, if they cannot learn from Nov 2. Keep this up and I will work to throw everyone of you out of office that are up in 2012. Don't care what percentage of the Senate we have in 2013 = we all know what to expect from the RAT party members, BUT RINOS ARE FAR WORSE. What part of Nov 2 did you not understand? Vote yes for this ill conceived New START treaty at your own risk.

Top 10 Reasons Why New START Is A Non-Starter
40 posted on 12/11/2010 10:59:10 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: RightGuy

The house can make it more difficult to get other important legislation passed. Especially the pork that some of the senate *ricks want to pass.


41 posted on 12/11/2010 11:00:17 AM PST by Always Independent
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Boehner is in the House. The Senate ratifies treaties. McConnell is the one to call. I thought they weren’t going to address anything until after the tax cut extension and funding of the government was settled first.


42 posted on 12/11/2010 11:00:32 AM PST by kabar
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To: Recovering_Democrat

All funding for these RINOs should be stopped. I wish they would leave the party and declare themselves for what they are, Democrats.


43 posted on 12/11/2010 11:12:25 AM PST by doc
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To: goldstategop

It’s like the GOP wants to destroy itself. On the morning after Obama gets humiliated by Bill Clinton, showing how weak he is even within his own party, our dumbass RINOs are going to give him a victory on a treaty that the Russians have no compelling reason to actually follow.


44 posted on 12/11/2010 11:47:26 AM PST by Carling (Remember November)
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To: kabar

In my opinion, all of them need to be called 24/7 until they get the message and until we get them out. Thank you for the clarification on treaties, however, the House and Senate are both filled with spineless, gutless, power-hungry Elitists.

House, Senate, all of them!


45 posted on 12/11/2010 12:24:16 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Carling

“It’s like the GOP wants to destroy itself. “

After Murkowski and most of other senate 2010 results they don’t fear us. They assume a strong anti obama turnout in 2012 and don’t feel any need to deviate from business as usual. We must put our money behind true conservatives and primary the RINOs in red states in 2012.


46 posted on 12/11/2010 1:24:26 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Recovering_Democrat

US approval a step toward Russian company control of Wyoming uranium mines

Published on November 30th, 2010

Topics : Nuclear Regulatory Commission , Uranium One , Wyoming , U.S.
CHEYENNE, Wyo. - Two uranium mines in Wyoming are on their way to control by a Russian company now that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has approved transferring the mines’ licenses.
The NRC last week approved the license transfer to a Russian company known as ARMZ which expects to obtain a controlling interest in Canadian-owned Uranium One by year’s end. Uranium One holds the licenses for a proposed uranium mine and an existing uranium mine in northeast Wyoming.
The transfer raised concern from Wyoming’s congressional delegation, who said the uranium could in theory go overseas and serve against U.S. interests.
The NRC continues to prohibit exporting the uranium.


47 posted on 12/11/2010 1:32:24 PM PST by thesellout
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To: Mouton

People in IN have a lot of clout on this liberal issue. They aren’t nearly as conservative there as their reputation may be.


48 posted on 12/11/2010 1:49:26 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Cheerio

The problem too is Republican primary voters who are so uninformed that they have no understanding of such treaty sell-outs. They have been uninformed for a generation.


49 posted on 12/11/2010 1:51:32 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

RINOs: selling you out one freedom at a time.

Thank you for your support. :)


50 posted on 12/11/2010 2:40:00 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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