Skip to comments.New Yorkers Squabble Over Christmas Decorations in Their Buildings
Posted on 12/11/2010 9:03:53 AM PST by van_erwin
Holiday decorations can easily become controversial because Christmas is both a national and a religious holiday, and anything that refers to Christmas can feel like an alien symbol being forced upon a non-Christian population, said Jack Santino, a professor in the department of popular culture at Bowling Green State University.
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I’m sorry, but if seeing a Christmas tree makes you feel “alienated,” perhaps the United States of America is not the country you want to be living in.
Gee, isn’t that just too damn bad?
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Imagine moving to Saudi Arabia and complaining that observation of Ramadan and people praying on rugs five times a day make you uncomfortable.
I love how more and more the Christmas tree is (properly IMHO) seen as a Christian symbol. There is nothing sadder than someone (like the one mentioned in the article) saying that a Christmas tree is a secular symbol.
Perhaps, tolerance should also be extended to religions. I am tired of leftists who are intolerant.
I was raised a heathen in a half-Jewish/half-humanist household, and I have NO problem with Christmas. I especially like protestant white people. They make the best neighbors, imo.
Jack Santino has not yet quite grasped what it is to be an American. We are tolerent of religious symbols. Christmas is so secularized that one wonders how any religious significance is visible in a department store display.
The Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol.
Alienated? Then go back to where you came from. Assimilate or get out!!
**The militant secularists don’t like Christmas decorations on public buildings,...**
But same said idiots are accepting militant islam Without Question...
Hypocrisy, thy name is LIBERAL!!
OK. I'm complaining. You should have done one that is 100 ft. high. So I could see it from my house. :-)
**The Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol.**
It is however ...a CHRISTMAS Symbol.
Now we have people on BOTH SIDES who want to Piss on a person’s Good TIme.
Feel free to celebrate the season in your own heathen way and make sure you invite me to the party. If this is not an acceptable deal for you, spend the holiday season somewhere else, where the western Christian methods of celebration will cause you no perceived discomfort.
Permit me to wish all Worthy Oriental Gentlemen a very happy (?) Ramadan, and a joyous Eid.
"Having abandoned its sombre dress for a scintillating splendour, it is transfigured and becomes the messenger of a light that is not its own but bears witness to the true Light that comes into this world. This tree's destiny is comparable to that of the shepherds: while they were watching in the shadows of the night, here they are illumined by the Angels' message. This tree's destiny is also comparable to our own, for we are called to bear good fruits to show that the world has truly been visited and redeemed by the Lord. Standing beside the crib, this fir, in its own way, demonstrates the great mystery that was present in the simple, poor place of Bethlehem. To the inhabitants of Rome, to all the pilgrims and to all who will visit St Peter's Square through the television images broadcast across the world, it proclaims the coming of the Son of God."
Is professor Jack Santino really stupid enough to think that Christmas is not about Christ?
Its all about offending Islam.
Since nobody can fight against Islam and win since we elected one as POTUS then most of America would rather not be possibly targeted by Islamic terrorists.
Its too bad that love it or leave it will not work.
I fear Christmas will soon be outlawed on the streets and on the tell a vision as well.
Great job on the Cross! Thanks for being such a witness for Christ.
>>It is however ...a CHRISTMAS Symbol.
Yes it is. I should have said that. I’m sorry for the omission. I have a Christmas tree in my house, but I recognize that it isn’t a symbol of Jesus’ birth and has no scriptural significance. That makes it an important part of the secular side of Christmas, and the secular side of Christmas is an important part of western civilization.
I’m not trying to piss on your Good Time. I just try to keep it in perspective.
Not far from Fort Wayne Indiana there's a cluster of Scandinavian Lutheran farmers who don't do Christmas no way no how ~ their published church schedules don't show anything at all happening after December 12 to the second Sunday in January.
They can be that bad.
There are other Christians who celebrate Christmas and also are tolerant of Christmas trees even to the extent of setting them up inside their homes.
So, the Christmas Tree is not Christian? And who taught you that? And what do you think the heavily decorated tree is all about? Could it be the substitute sacrifice that took the place of human beings about the time the people of the North German plain gave up human sacrifice (barely over 1000 years ago).
I think of it as representing an amnesty from oblivion ~ that doesn't make it Christian but it does make it Godly.
I'm not in the habit of kicking Godly things or Godly people. Are you?
We have a beautiful seven-foot tall CHRISTMAS tree in the lobby, lovingly decorated by several Jewish women. We wrap and place gifts for donation to a nearby church underneath it.
At the building's annual HOLIDAY party, the kids play dreidel literally in the shadow of the tree, as the adults sip eggnog and listen to Christmas carols.
I think it is an attempt to reach the people that are that stupid. And that is getting to be a pretty big crowd..
The sky is not blue therefore I get my way. /s
Thank you. We are actually humbled to be under that Cross every night when we plug in the lights.
Can that many people really be that stupid? It’s gotta be a gag. We’re gonna wake up one day and say, “that was the stupidest dream ever.”
Amen. Most normal people have 0 problems with any type of holiday (be it secular or religious) display, even if it is something they do not celebrate. I am getting so sick of a small group of people, even one person, getting their way when they want to ruin holiday celebrations for other people. Seriously... they need to move to a different country.
The fact that there IS sometimes heated squabbling over the issue is heartening. For decades our side just grumbled and bent over. Finally, we’ve learned that turning the other cheek only gives the enemy another shot with the branding iron.
Previously, only one ACLU type had to complain and the authorities or landlords rolled over. Not anymore.
In the younger people I think, yeah, there are a lot. They can tell all about Lady Gaga (gag-gag) but nothing about Jesus Christ.
Personally, I think the people that are offend by Christmas decorations and carols are being petty and peevish.
it’s New York, they have to BI**H about something
I feel privileged as an American of Jewish background to live in this greatest of all countries, allowed to practice my religion free of fear. While all of these complainers are not Jewish, allow me to apologize for the ones who are and have not a clue.
As far as I'm concerned, they have chutzpah to the nth degree. Democrats all...I know all of my conservative Jewish friends feel the same way I do.
What a bunch of hate filled pieces of garbage!
Whereas the simple Latin Cross was planted by Columbus when
he discovered this New world;
As the simple Latin Cross was planted by the Crew that brought Rev.Hunt to Cape Henry,1607: As the First legal document drafted in American Waters-The Mayflower Compact was a Christian Covenant: and as John Jay— and other New Yorkers of the Founding era were unashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ— IF Christmas decorations are offensive to unbelievers ?Muslims and the like if they feel these are being forced on them I suggest they STAY home until sometime after the New Year.
Well just leave if you do not like it.
...and if walking by something makes it feel "forced upon" you, then I have bad news for various forms of Islamonuttiness...and burkas are definitely our of here.
In my office, we have a ceramic Christmas tree (rescued from a random storage room). Snowflakes hanging from the ceiling, tinsel with little green and red ornaments hanging in the windows.
On Monday, next to the tree, I will set up a Nativity scene.
On the table with the tree and Nativity will be a card, which says: “These Christmas decorations represent my feelings about Christmas. They help me to “be of good cheer” during this busy, stressful time of year. They are in no way meant to influence you, your religion or lack thereof. Any attempt on your part to portray this display as a violation of the separation of church and state clause of the Constitution will be met with the following:
1. I will school you on the constitution.
2. I will say “Dude, seriously? You really wanna sue the Prosecuting Attorney’s office?! Bring it!”
(Oh, did I forget to mention that I work in a totally government building, and at some level, actually work for the State? LOL! And, to top it all, our entire office is either Christian or Catholic (not that I consider there a difference, but some do) and we frequently talk about biblical issues. I love my job...where I am allowed to express my beliefs. Hey, wow, that kinda sounds like the America we all want, doesn’t it?)
What I found interesting from the article is that Lefrak City is now known as LeFrak City.
Kinda like building a mosque near Ground Zero.
I am an art teacher in the state of Texas. I am also a committed Christian who has been instructed that I may not introduce ANY art project that has any reference to Christmas. As all public schools in Texas, we have a mid-winter break to celebrate what used to be Christmas. How long will God tarry in His judgement of this outrageous hypocracy? How sad it makes me to be part of it for a lousy paycheck.
And that’s from Basement Cat!
I so totally agree!
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