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Troops are ready for the end of 'don't ask, don't tell' [says Petraeus aid Marvin Hill]
CNN ^ | December 11, 2010 | Roland Martin

Posted on 12/11/2010 10:41:03 AM PST by ejdrapes

Troops are ready for the end of 'don't ask, don't tell'

By Roland S. Martin, CNN Senior Political Contributor

(CNN) -- One of the reasons Defense Secretary Robert Gates commissioned a study on how the military feels about gays serving openly was because it was ridiculous to listen to politicians rambling on and on, and not to those who have to do the heavy lifting.

When the results were released, they showed more than two-thirds believe their work wouldn't be harmed by changing the 17-year-old law. That was clear evidence to many that the law needed to be overturned.

But after massive flip-floppers like Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona ignored the advice of the defense secretary and the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and continued to come up with reasons why the policy needs to be kept, it's no surprise the measure failed this week to get beyond a GOP filibuster.

It was largely Republicans who blocked the measure from being debated in the Senate, with supporters only able to muster 57 of the needed 60 votes. The only Democrat to go along with the Republican opponents was Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia.

Supporters of the repeal say they have the votes to pass the measure, but who knows if moderate Republicans will come up with more reasons why they can't support the legislation? The one thing that is absolutely clear is that it is time for this law to be revoked.

In an interview on my TV One Cable Network Sunday morning news show, "Washington Watch," I talked with the top enlisted officer serving in Afghanistan, Command Sgt. Maj. Marvin Hill, who made it clear that soldiers serving on the battlefield can be led to implement the changes if Congress will act.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bravosierra; dadt; dontaskdonttell; revisionistspin
Sounds like the top brass in the military are forcing the troops to support this. Wonder if Petreaus really supports this or is just being a good soldier and doing what the COC and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs wants done.
1 posted on 12/11/2010 10:41:06 AM PST by ejdrapes
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To: ejdrapes

What are they going to do create a Special “Obama Sinclair” unit for these behavior challenged scumbags?


2 posted on 12/11/2010 10:43:43 AM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: ejdrapes

I can’t believe that our military is in such bad shape that it cannot survive without filling the ranks with flaming homosexuals and illegal aliens. America sure has gone into the toilet.


3 posted on 12/11/2010 10:45:40 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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To: ejdrapes

a majority of COMBAT troops are strongly opposed

even if their un-scientific survey is remotely accurate they are using the responses of office desk jockeys to justify pushing this on the combat troops who will really have to deal with the consequences


4 posted on 12/11/2010 10:46:02 AM PST by Enchante (12/10/10: Obama just abdicated his Presidency to Bill Clinton at the Tax Policy Press Conference!)
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To: ejdrapes

I have a idea, why don’t they just make a special branch for gays?


5 posted on 12/11/2010 10:51:07 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

And call it “The first wave”.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 11:05:02 AM PST by bigheadfred (STAND IN THE CLOSET AND SCREAM WITH ME)
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To: ejdrapes
Sounds once again like pencil pushing brass is speaking for others they haven't spoken to.

Military Chiefs Cast Doubt on Repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

Sorry, but serving in the Military isn't a right.

Once it is declared such, who else will demand their "right?"

The Military has always discriminated with sound reasoning.

but, my biggest question is why is it that gays cannot serve, should they so choose, unless they are allowed to declare their sexuality?

The problems won't be during battle, but back at base camp, as some perceive being jilted or attempts at seduction, or gawking naked bodies in the shower and such.

The Military is not a social club, especially during war.

7 posted on 12/11/2010 11:07:53 AM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Enchante
I've said for years, that our military is now dependent on technology and "special forces" to do the job a military is supposed to do. We depend on these men to do the real work while others provide support only. Also, the military has been become a "jobs program" under our liberalization since the 70's.
8 posted on 12/11/2010 11:08:55 AM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: ejdrapes
When the results were released, they showed more than two-thirds believe their work wouldn't be harmed by changing the 17-year-old law.

Revisionist spin on what the results actually say.

9 posted on 12/11/2010 11:09:17 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Enchante
I don't see why an old Fart Gaytes thinks he speaks for Men and Women that are housed in close quarters, and fight in even closer quarters.

I would love to see these so called Generals sleeping in their skivvies in a barracks, and have an amorous Homosexual climb in his bunk with him. Then we would see how fast they would keep DADT.

If there is anything worse to destroy the readiness of our Military, I do not know what it would be. What the draft dodger and the inept Commie did not do to destroy our Fighting forces, this certainly will.

10 posted on 12/11/2010 11:12:51 AM PST by samantha (Lets get back to decency and Honor, especially our Greatest Generation past present and future.)
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To: bigheadfred
And call it “The first wave”. hee hee
11 posted on 12/11/2010 11:12:51 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Be the toughest group don’tcha know. Able to lick anybody.


12 posted on 12/11/2010 11:17:32 AM PST by bigheadfred (STAND IN THE CLOSET AND SCREAM WITH ME)
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To: ejdrapes
I don't particularly care about the sympathies of the cooks, band musicians, stewards, clerks, hospital corpsmen, KP and latrine duty personnel and other military “support” people. What matters is the preferences of the combat troops. According to a recent Ann Coulter column, the combat personnel are against any change in DADT.
13 posted on 12/11/2010 11:18:14 AM PST by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: ejdrapes

I don’t mind that gays in the military will have the right to ‘flaunt’ and ‘practice’ their homosexuality, as long as the non-homosexual soldiers have the right to beat the crap out of them.


14 posted on 12/11/2010 11:20:15 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ejdrapes

Put all the queers in the same unit, send them to the fiercest fighting. Repeat as necessary.


15 posted on 12/11/2010 11:21:00 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: ejdrapes

They are forcing the Christian paradigm shift to Paganism. No Christians allowed in the military....they are homophobes.

The Marxist in Chief wants a homosexual military...one like the pederasts of pagan Rome and Greece. More examples of homosexual armies are ancient Japan and the homosexual SS troops of Hitler. Kill sexual morality codes which create respect for the body and creation of life, and you create a military who are capable of the atrocities of Hitler.

I am not saying all homosexuals are capable of extreme evil....I am saying that because of their lack of moral sensibility and their perverted lens of life, they are more likely to be able to discard all moral ethics. It is the slippery slope.

The homosexual in chief knows this by experience and wants his SS troops to destroy this country. Right now the moral military stands in his way. Destroy the ability to have a Christian paradigm—(they become evil haters when they reject advances of homosexual commanders) and you create an immoral military—void of character and honor—like the atheist Russians and godless socialist Nazis.


16 posted on 12/11/2010 11:24:01 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: ejdrapes
Perhaps those who live on generals row are ready to end DADT, but the same cannot be said for those who live in the junior enlisted barracks.
17 posted on 12/11/2010 11:34:46 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Good point. This is from
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IF10K01

The military member survey ignores important questions and has serious flaws.

•It fails to ask whether the homosexual ban should be repealed and whether the respondent is homosexual.
•It asks numerous questions about the impact perceived homosexuals have on unit performance and for a variety of undefined military concepts like readiness. The poll fails to corroborate the validity of the perceptions.
•It presents homosexuality — which is not defined — as a neutral factor and privacy questions only offer accommodation answers.
•Only one in four members randomly selected to participate in the survey actually participated.

The military spouse survey has similar flaws.

•It fails to ask whether the homosexual ban should be repealed and the impact of open homosexuality for military children.
•It does not address religious and moral objections to homosexuality nor define homosexuality.
•It does not address privacy and spousal concerns about open homosexual behavior in the military community.
•It assumes homosexual couples will receive the same benefits as married heterosexual military couples—although granting such benefits would likely violate the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

What stands out to me is the survy NEVER asked the question if the ban should be lifted!!! That alone, tells me it was faulty at the least, staged at the worst.


18 posted on 12/11/2010 11:43:24 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: ejdrapes

All the enemy will need to do to distract and divide our troops on the battlefield is............. show up naked and carrying a rubber chicken.

Just having this conversation is insane.

Our military leaders spending time trying to accommodate a bunch of guys whose perverted behavior includes ramming their penis up the anal cavity of another male is absolutely crazy.

The way things are going, I can see myself trying to convince my grandsons to find some other way to serve their country, other than enlisting into what may become the Gag & Fag Corps.

Like I said, this conversation is insane.


19 posted on 12/11/2010 11:44:42 AM PST by Gator113 (Sarah Palin can win, and she will win.)
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To: ejdrapes

NEXT; “Don’t Lisp, Don’t Swish”.. AND its not who you salute its Who you Blow that counts..


20 posted on 12/11/2010 12:13:35 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: ejdrapes

” In nine years of covering every theater of this global war for Fox News and in writing American Heroes in Special Operations, I have never met a single senior non-commissioned officer in any service who said to me anything like: “We need some homosexuals and lesbians out here to help us accomplish our mission.”
*Oliver North*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u17MpJTJ3o


21 posted on 12/11/2010 12:17:40 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: ejdrapes
What organization isn't improved by having fagots at all levels?

Boy scouts, teachers, Catholic Church, the US Congress. All are sooooo much better off with openly gay membership. /sarc

22 posted on 12/11/2010 12:20:05 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Gator113
Just having this conversation is insane.

The Navy it's not just a job, it's a blow job.

23 posted on 12/11/2010 12:21:47 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ejdrapes

LIARS!

It is sickening to see how they are doing this. The ranks of soldiers, sailors and airmen and marines clearly do NOT want it changed. They know full well they anonymous survey they were told they took was rigged. nameless means whatever outcome you want can be the result and this is what the leadership was INSTRUCTED to do. That bastard Sec Def has led on this. I resent the living heck out of Gates and wish for his political demise and destruction.

There is not one state in our country that gay marriage has won. On the contrary, when left to the people (Not like the police states of Massachusetts, Vermont and California) it never wins. In the aforementioned three states the people were circumvented as was the law and constitution of our nation and those states.

IF the people of this nation stand against gay marriage, if even in the gayest friendly of states where those who choose this lifestyle do NOT approve of their marriage then how in the hell do you expect me to believe that the military, which is very much RIGHT of the general population is all of a sudden rolling over and saying yes to Gay Pride week int he military and more.

Gays want this for LEGITIMACY only...nothing else. They see the destruction of our military as a means to an end.

Dam them all for doings this and dam us all for allowing it. I am fighting it openly and with no apology.

24 posted on 12/11/2010 1:03:04 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ejdrapes

Mr. Martin is either a liar, or he didn’t read the Pentagon survey. I’ll opt for both.

I did a four part evaluation of the report. According to the Admin Mod it should have been one, but I thought it was too long and was trying to be helpful. Oh well. But it does cover how the press is slanting what the troops really did say:
Prt1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2638468/posts

Prt 2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2638470/posts

Prt 3
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2638473/posts

Prt 4
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2638474/posts


25 posted on 12/11/2010 2:06:13 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: ejdrapes

This whole thing is nonsense. I don’t necessarily believe that gays in the military want to be out. They just don’t want to get kicked out if someone finds out without credible evidence that they are really doing wrong. For instance, there was an chief who was kicked out because of his e-mail address. Does that really have to be necessary? However in the last 10 years only about a thousand troops have been shown the door due to homosexuality and guess what? Most of them were due to their own acknowledgement that they were gay. They went purposefully to their CO and told him or her and they were forced to administratively separate. There is ZERO need to change this rule especially as long as they are not investigating people’s lives. It would be interesting to see what a percentage of gays serving in the military really would be if asked if the ban should be lifted? I bet the number is small. I truly believe it is the civilian population that wants this more than the military. The Joint Chief and CNO and SECDEF is a mystery to why they are insistent on this.


26 posted on 12/11/2010 2:19:22 PM PST by napscoordinator
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