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Not made in the USA
NY Post ^ | December 12, 2010 | MAUREEN CALLAHAN

Posted on 12/12/2010 3:55:10 AM PST by Scanian

Edited on 12/12/2010 4:06:21 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Among the number of plant closings announced in the United States this week: A printing plant in Greenburg, Ind., costing 220 jobs; a tomato processing plant in Westover, Md., with 103 people fired; an office-supply facility in Mattoon, Ill., with 129 jobs lost.


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KEYWORDS: outsourcing; plantclosings; robots; underclass
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1 posted on 12/12/2010 3:55:15 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian
We, as a country, should be doing high value-added work versus low value-added work. We don’t want to be making shoes — we’re making pharmaceuticals, software, high-tech cars. That’s how you become a rich country.”

We, as a nation, insanely and artificially depress wages of professionals with the importation of H1-bs. The lower end is supplant by the illegal slave market. Free traitors need to chime in here and tell me where I am going wrong.

Tariff is not a four letter word. Any country that outsources production and then re-imports to the US should have the hell tariffed out of them. Where are the Tariff loving Yankees of yore when you need them?

2 posted on 12/12/2010 4:01:48 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Scanian

****It’s astonishing to realize that the most iconic American totems — such as the baseball, Levi’s jeans, the actual American flag — are no longer made in the USA,****

Like the POTUS!!!!!


3 posted on 12/12/2010 4:03:31 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: Scanian
The left wing is calling evil good and good evil as this idiot of a fool professor spouts this gibberish, only a dumbocrat would believe this blarney.

[...number of plant closings announced in the United States this week: A printing plant in Greenburg, Ind., costing 220 jobs; a tomato processing plant in Westover, Md., with 103 people fired; an office-supply facility in Mattoon, Ill., with 129 jobs lost. (and then)
It is unqualifiedly positive,” says Aneel Karnani, assistant professor at the Ross School of Business at the University of Michigan.]

5 posted on 12/12/2010 4:05:55 AM PST by kindred (Come, Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies from Zion, the chosen nation.)
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To: Scanian
And yet, most economists will tell you that this is a good thing

Uh, both "economists" quoted here are from Third World countries that will do anything to loot the United States of jobs and affirmative action freebies.

I'm sure they have no problem with wage slave labor factories opening up back home where their cousins can get rich running disgusting sweat shops.

6 posted on 12/12/2010 4:06:01 AM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Scanian
Government has been strangling industries, acting as a catalyst for outsourcing jobs.

The “Globalist Ideology” of the United States becoming a service economy has failed.

7 posted on 12/12/2010 4:06:04 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Ev Reeman
America is in deep, deep trouble folks. It is time to wake up

That's right, America, wake up and take notice that the Liberal/Progressives are driving Industries out of our country during a recession instead of providing an environment to CREATE INDUSTRIES. Wake up America!

8 posted on 12/12/2010 4:07:31 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402

The answer to the problem remains cheap energy.

If the Government would allow oil exploration and refinement right here at home, breaking OPEC, our economy would boom.


9 posted on 12/12/2010 4:16:40 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

There is no such thing as a “service” economy. Once the people in the countries that now manufacture everything start managing their own business (as China is starting to), then we will no longer be able to service much.


10 posted on 12/12/2010 4:20:13 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Rational Thought

The “Globalist Ideology” of the United States becoming a service economy has failed.......

You’ve got that right.
Call almost any large company and see who answers the phone to give you ‘service’.
You’re lucky if you can understand them.
Exactly what is holding this economy together?

Go to the store, pick up an item, Made in China.
I went to the store yesterday, bought some flannel sheets. Got all excited when I read the label. They were made in one of the ‘..stans. One I’ve never heard of BTW.


11 posted on 12/12/2010 4:27:32 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Scanian
“We, as a country, should be doing high value-added work versus low value-added work. We don’t want to be making shoes — we’re making pharmaceuticals, software, high-tech cars. That’s how you become a rich country.”

Well, actually, there have been many scandals about offshored pharmaceuticals, such as the heparin scandal. Do an internet search for most vitamins like Niacin or Citric Acid and you will see many ads for "Trustful source for your needs: The Red Dragon Noodle & Chemical pty, Ltd."

Software? AVG? Avast!? Czech republic.

Hi-Tech cars? Mine is made in Coventry.

Not being an economist,and therefore stupid, I do not understand how one makes a rich country by eliminating its middle class.

I have posted many times the story about what automation did to a two-shift assembly line at one of my company's divisions: I saw this. As a stockholder, it warmed my heart. As a citizen, it scared me. All the people we sent home may have gone onto other assembly jobs, somewhere. Maybe. For a while. They used to have health insurance and they used to be able to live. Not richly, but they payed for their rent, groceries, and taxes.

Every 70 seconds, another PC Board comes off the pick&Place machine, through the reflow solderer, and into a pile, while the assemblers give up looking for jobs.

The Bottom Line is great. The machines rarely get sick and when they do, they are fixed. They come in Mondays and Fridays, and do not have hangovers. They do not run Union Campaigns.

Nevertheless, this is not going to end well.

12 posted on 12/12/2010 4:29:30 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Mother...My Couric itches.")
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To: Gorzaloon

From this piece it sounds like the nobama/biden recovery is going along well. Merry Christmas!


13 posted on 12/12/2010 4:30:57 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Scanian
Technology is polarizing society, dividing the educated and the less educated.”

The lost generation of American workers — low-educated, low-skilled, too old to be retrained, too young to retire — has led to the fear of a permanent underclass, the idea that the US will eventually become like much of Europe, subsidizing 10% of the under- or unemployed population.

“I would hate for a permanent underclass,” Karnani says. “The child of a janitor should be able to go to college.”

**************

Important in all this is that -—

The elite have no *** fear *** at all of a “permanent underclass”. They are drooling in anticipation and glee of there being a permanent underclass. They do not fear for those with lower education (intelligence) or worry about them at all. They are eugenicist who are using this all to thin the herd so they are just left with the cream of the crop intellectually. There are books written about this stuff, they eat it us, salivate over the words in the book, wait in anticipation for the great society of super men and women who will have the best of minds. They anticipate the day they have finally rid the world of average and low IQ folks that are such a pain in their book to deal with. Hitler alive and well, all by design. They were able to convince folks for the last 100 to abort the children they didn't want - the physical and mental deficient in their minds, or certain races that they don't want more of. Now they are using what is going on presently to get rid of the average to low IQ folks. They are in superman mode the elite.

15 posted on 12/12/2010 4:31:20 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: central_va

So we get high taxes, big government and with the half, or less of the money/time we modern sharecroppers are allowed to keep, we get high prices too?

Do the other nations get to put on tariffs too? Like on our Jet engines, chemicals, aircraft, wheat, corn, cotton?


16 posted on 12/12/2010 4:32:56 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: sodpoodle

Heard a preacher take his text from the Old Testament, when the Israelites had to go to their enemy neighbors to get their plows sharpened and made. I got ANGRY when I went to a major dept. store and told the clerk. FIND ME ANYTHING ON YOUR FACK MADE IN THE USA AND I´LL BUY IT. Couldn´t find anything.


17 posted on 12/12/2010 4:34:19 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: Gorzaloon

The cotton gin destroyed the south and it never recovered. Ditto the steam shovel to Irish pick and shovel gangs.


18 posted on 12/12/2010 4:35:37 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: central_va
We, as a country, should be doing high value-added work versus low value-added work. We don’t want to be making shoes — we’re making pharmaceuticals, software, high-tech cars. That’s how you become a rich country.”

Can't wait for the free-traders on FR to find that quote. They will all be wetting their pants and bowing to Karmani...

19 posted on 12/12/2010 4:38:54 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Scanian

My company is burdened with a Federal, state, county and city EPA. When my company wanted to add employees the county planning and permitting made getting a permit to build on our property ruinously expensive. When we wanted to add parking per the original permits and environmental study, the county insisted on a new environmental impact study, which cost as much as the parking lot. (The property is a former cattle ranch, just acres of grass and the trees and bushes planted by the company.) When the company tried to build a mezzanine inside our three-story tall, but one story building to house 50 new employees, the county insisted on two wheelchair ramps, two sets of stairs and two elevators. Those cost more than the entire mezzanine and ate up 51% of the available space.

There was another company nearby in the Universities’ “Industrial” park. The university didn’t like an immoral defense company in “their” industrial park and offered the company the pre-real-estate-crash price for the land. (Our tax money.) The company grabbed it and ran, taking with them 350 jobs. BTW, both companies regularly hired graduates of the local two universities, not only as engineers, but as co-ops before they graduated.

The county has a tax on real property. So, the company has to pay a percentage of the value of any peice of equipment for as long as they own it. So, if we lose a contract and idle a piece of equipment, it goes into the dumpster. Then, we can no longer bid on work that machine would have done unless it’s clearly profitable enough to buy another machine.

My company builds spare parts for Army vehicles. Obama has scrapped half of the Army’s vehicles to provide spares for those fielded. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that in a few short years we won’t have any working Army vehicles. In the meantime, my company will fold much of it’s operations here next year.


20 posted on 12/12/2010 4:52:18 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Regulator

De-development of America is their vision and a positive thing and to them.


21 posted on 12/12/2010 4:56:25 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: Vinnie

Also sad, I saw cowboy boots are made in China.


22 posted on 12/12/2010 4:57:47 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: guerito1; Gorzaloon

Car made in Coventry? That’ll be a rare commodity in the future.

It’s all a bit odd, isn’t it? In the UK, we looked at the French way of doing things, thought, “bunch of left wing idiots”, and let Thatcher emulate America.

Within a decade our steel industry had been decimated, our coal mining industry had been decimated, car manufacturing had been decimated, clothing manufacturing had been offshored.

In the 90s we had the Tiger economies invest heavily in the UK. Fujitsu built an £800 million DRAM manufacturing plant in the North. No union, but excellent working conditions, and productivity was off the charts and another plant was going to be built next to it, so good was the output.

Plant was mothballed within ten years.

Same happened with LG Semicon in Wales, and another company up in Newcastle.

So, up sprang low pay, “dead mans shoes” call centers, to fill the labor market. Which didn’t last long once Mumbai and Bangalore offered the same service for a tenth of the price.

Our tradesmen have been priced out of the work market, by (admittedly far more dedicated and no less qualified) tradesmen from Eastern Europe who can earn in a day here, what they’d earn in a week back home. Can’t stop them coming; they’re from EU member states. It’d be like stopping people from Alabama seeking work in California...

The main product I work with is American and I’ve recently found out that WiPro (one of the biggest Indian outsourcers) is training up a whole team of guys to compete on consultancy for that product. With the blessing of the company HQ in the States.

(Of course, as soon as those trained consultants are offering to take on work from the continental USA as well as Asia and Europe, and are undercutting the VENDOR, the management in that company will cry foul and whine - but it’ll be too late; they’ll have sacrificed their own profit margin in the name of promoting the “global channel” model. Been there, done that, seen it time and time again).

Let’s get this straight: the free market works as long as it’s a level playing field.

When you have a situation like we have in the UK where ten non-unionized workers in the UK are more expensive to hire than fifty unionized workers in Bangalore, then the Thatcherite/Reaganite model falls flat on its ass.

“If we sack those five consultants, we’ll make another hundred thousand dollars over the next financial year.” We’ve all heard it.

Trouble is, this isn’t the 1980s.

Do that TODAY, and your five ex-workers will be competing against you on your own product, from the ranks of a rival in three months, they’ll be running a team of consultants in Bangalore who can undercut you on supporting your own product within a year (so you lose contracted renewals), and you’ll be out of business in five years... you short-sighted doofuses.

Free trade isn’t the problem. Priorities are the issue. It pains me to say this but the French have got one thing right: there are things that are far more important to the survival of a business, than the Quarterly Sales Target and the P&L.

Making sure you don’t go bust because a services company in Bangalore can deliver the same service with your product, TO YOUR OWN CUSTOMERS, at a fifth of the price, is just one example.


23 posted on 12/12/2010 4:59:26 AM PST by MalPearce
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama
According to BusinessInsider.com (via the New York Post, above):

American Philo Farnsworth invented the first fully functional television in 1927, transmitting his first image from his lab in San Francisco. A television hasn’t been made in America since 2004.

According to PCWorld, December 10, 2008:

Sony has named its Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, plant as the second factory of a planned 5 or 6 that will be shut down as part of a global restructuring. The factory is Sony's last remaining TV manufacturing facility in the U.S. and the closure will see 560 people lose their jobs.

Now, I think Sony's plant was the last to close in the United States, but I don't keep that sort of information at my fingertips. But I will say it took me longer to compose this reply than to prove the bozos at BusinessInsider incorrect. I'm still outraged, but not like one would expect a protectionist to be outraged. They are the ones who can't see straight.
24 posted on 12/12/2010 5:04:30 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: MalPearce
How much of the wrecked coal mining came from politicians, and how much came from Global Warmists? Obama promised he would destroy our coal mining.

How much of the "Service Industry" hype came from politicians, and how much from MBAs?

My company decided if we eliminated New Product Development, we could save (make) Millions.

Of course, in five years, we had nothing to sell. But many quarters looked really good, so the bonuses flowed for the Chosen.

25 posted on 12/12/2010 5:07:06 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Mother...My Couric itches.")
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To: Leisler
So we get high taxes, big government and with the half,

What we have now unsustainable. Tariffs would reduce the individual tax burden, maybe even eliminate it.

Do the other nations get to put on tariffs too? Like on our Jet engines, chemicals, aircraft, wheat, corn, cotton?

They do anyway, that's the point, less demand overseas creates opportunity here.

26 posted on 12/12/2010 5:22:33 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Scanian

My New Balance Running shoes are made in the USA....but it’s tough finding socks or good running shorts made in the USA.

I do what I can to buy USA products..


27 posted on 12/12/2010 5:26:01 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Scanian
Let's all race to the bottom, eh?
28 posted on 12/12/2010 5:26:53 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I found some Gold Toe socks not too long ago that were Made in the U.S.A.


29 posted on 12/12/2010 5:27:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: central_va
They do anyway, that's the point, less demand overseas creates opportunity here.

How many aircraft engines are you good for, a month? How about bulldozers?

30 posted on 12/12/2010 5:28:40 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I’d by products that said “Made in the USA - by non-union workers”


31 posted on 12/12/2010 5:29:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Incredible story.
We tie our own hands, over regulate, then bitch about a level playing field.

If we’d dump half the EPA regs and become energy independent much of our trouble from economic to security would go away.


33 posted on 12/12/2010 5:37:48 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: 1rudeboy
How many aircraft engines are you good for, a month? How about bulldozers?

Look if we are going to retrench, we have to stop the bleeding. The union workers are the blame for the high costs. If we are going to kill industry, lets kill it right. Sustaining the status quo is a slow death. Maybe Caterpillars business model is wrong. Maybe they should move their factory to a right to work state? But due to corruption in government that can't happen. The country ran on tariffs for over 80 years before the income tax. So get over it.

As for as heavy machinery goes, if tariff cause more caterpillars to be sold domestically I'm for it. I am tired of seeing Hitachi and other foreign brands on construction sites anyway.

34 posted on 12/12/2010 5:42:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Scanian
Technology and productivity has destroyed jobs. Throw in Republicans and Democrats who favor communist countries in trade deals.


35 posted on 12/12/2010 5:54:56 AM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Palter

I had a nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach when I saw Nixon drinking with the Chicoms in ‘72. I just knew we’d end up getting screwed.


36 posted on 12/12/2010 5:59:39 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Gen.Blather

that’s fascinating and i appreciate the details. thanks for taking the time to relate this.


37 posted on 12/12/2010 5:59:45 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: Rational Thought
If the Government would allow oil exploration and refinement right here at home, breaking OPEC, our economy would boom.

Exactly. That is why Obama reneged on allowing oil exploration in the Gulf and throwing Louisiana, Texas and the surrounding states into further recession. He cares not at all for American businesses, but wants to eliminate "American Colonialism" (Think "Dreams of My Father").

38 posted on 12/12/2010 6:01:46 AM PST by sr4402
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To: central_va
The country ran on tariffs for over 80 years before the income tax. So get over it.

I have nothing to "get over," but note that advocates of tariffs as industrial policy tend to shift back and forth between that and advocating tariffs as revenue policy. Yet when advocating tariffs as revenue (or tax) policy, those proponents never take the next step--as if to claim, "let's just raise tariffs now, and deal with all the other taxes later." How retarded is that?

39 posted on 12/12/2010 6:05:12 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Not all of the New Balance shoes are made in the USA - check the labels, many are being made elsewhere, especially their sub-lines. Also, some of the labeled USA shoes are just over 70% made in USA...there’s been lawsuits.

http://classactionblog.mdpcelaw.com/articles/deceptive-marketing/


40 posted on 12/12/2010 6:05:56 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: 1rudeboy
let's just raise tariffs now, and deal with all the other taxes later." How retarded is that?

Retarded yes, but the bleeding has to stop. A consumption based tax is years off.

41 posted on 12/12/2010 6:07:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

You are stopping the bleeding by opening the wound.


42 posted on 12/12/2010 6:08:08 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

At least the blood flows in, not out.


43 posted on 12/12/2010 6:09:02 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Scanian
We, as a country, should be doing high value-added work versus low value-added work. We don’t want to be making shoes — we’re making pharmaceuticals, software, high-tech cars. That’s how you become a rich country.”

Nitwit econ professors and so-called free traders have been peddling that same lie, almost word-for-word, for at least thirty years.

Based on what was being said in the early eighties, by now all Americans should be trained and retrained for the "high tech, high paying jobs of the future". Well, the future they lied about thirty years ago is here and they have nothing to offer by the same lies all over again.

“It is unqualifiedly positive,” says Aneel Karnani, assistant professor at the Ross School of Business at the University of Michigan.

An "unqualified positive" for whom? The citizens of this guy's ancestral homeland?

It's been obvious to any with the tiniest amount of common sense, for years, that all these one-sided trade agreements, and the export and outsourcing of US factories and jobs, would lower the US standard of living and create a new underclass. That is the only possible result of the policies that have been followed, really, since the 1950s.

This will become a major political issue in the near future, as it should.

44 posted on 12/12/2010 6:14:01 AM PST by Will88
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To: Will88

We, as a country, should be doing high value-added work versus low value-added work. We don’t want to be making shoes — we’re making pharmaceuticals, software, high-tech cars. That’s how you become a rich country.”

Tell that one to the Chicoms.


45 posted on 12/12/2010 6:15:44 AM PST by Scanian
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To: central_va

You are operating on a dead patient, then. Small wonder you don’t see any problem with raising his taxes.


46 posted on 12/12/2010 6:16:23 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I think I read that if you remove oil imports from the mix, we still export more than we import.

We need to start drilling our own oil and use coal and nukes for elec power generation. The economy would be booming if we could get gas prices back to $1 gal.

47 posted on 12/12/2010 6:17:32 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: central_va

“We, as a country, should be doing high value-added work versus low value-added work. We don’t want to be making shoes — we’re making pharmaceuticals, software, high-tech cars. That’s how you become a rich country.”


Obviously, the guy who said this doesn’t work for a living. If you can make $$ at something, why not do it here? The fact is that we have chased many of our factory jobs away. So what happens to the people that used to fill them? They become clients of the state.


48 posted on 12/12/2010 6:19:21 AM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Will88

How much lower is our standard of living now, than it was in the 1950’s? I have yet to see a “nitwit” econ professor claim as much . . . and I’ve seen my share of nitwits.


49 posted on 12/12/2010 6:19:59 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

If the “patient” is dead then it was kill by “Free Trade”. Benedict Arnold MBA’s.....


50 posted on 12/12/2010 6:22:24 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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