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Mom faces felony charges for gun discharge after being restrained by daughter’s boyfriend
kansas.watchdog.org ^ | 6 December, 2010 | Earl Glynn

Posted on 12/12/2010 5:15:51 AM PST by marktwain

COUNCIL GROVE – She nailed her 16-year-old daughter’s bedroom window shut.

That didn’t work.

She struggled with the girl and her 21-year-old boyfriend to keep her from leaving with him.

That didn’t work either.

So she grabbed her varmint rifle, chambered a round and took aim at the right rear tire as he sped out of their driveway.

Now, high school physics and chemistry teacher and mom Karen Vondemkamp faces two felony counts for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and one felony count for aggravated battery in January trial even though, she said she fired into the ground.

“As I aimed at his tire … I just decided not to go ahead and fire at the tire. I thought ‘what if I missed’ … I thought this probably isn’t the right thing to do, so I lowered the gun, and my finger still pulled on the trigger more out of frustration than anything.”

She could spend a year in prison and pay a $100,000 fine and lose her teaching license.

She was trying to stop her daughter, Hannah, from leaving with boyfriend, Justin Allenbaugh April 20. Their home is in rural Morris County just outside Council Grove city limits.

For months Vondemkamp said she told Hannah she could date Allenbaugh only if they were supervised.

She said she told the girl he could hang out that evening at home, and even offered to order pizza.

Apparently upset with those restrictions, Allenbaugh dropped Hannah off.

Vondemkamp confronted her. She said she grabbed Hannah’s arm to turn her around to talk to her, and Hannah flipped her onto the bed. They struggled.

When Vondemkamp left the room, Hannah texted Allenbaugh to call 911. But, he returned to the home, according to court records.

Minutes later Vondemkamp returned to confiscate Hannah’s communication devices.

According to police reports Allenbaugh arrived minutes later. Mother and daughter battled at the front door. Allenbaugh used his foot and “put my weight into the door a little bit.” Vondemkamp was trying to keep the door locked and asked Allenbaugh to go away.

With a 50 lb. weight advantage, Allenbaugh restrained Vondemkamp. Hannah ran to his car.

After Vondemkamp smacked a window on Allenbaugh’s car and asked her daughter not to leave, Allenbaugh restrained Vondemkamp again, which allowed Hannah to walk away.

When he let Vondemkamp go, she ran to get her .223 caliber single-shot rifle. With Hannah perhaps a hundred yards away and the car much closer, Vondemkamp – an experienced hunter — briefly contemplated shooting out a tire.

Council Grove police and the Morris County sheriff never found the bullet.

Allenbaugh admitted in his own testimony to forcefully entering her home and restraining Vondemkamp three times, yet he was never charged.

Vondemkamp’s view is “they kind of ignored everything I said and believed everything they [Hannah and Allenbaugh] said.” She said she wonders what happened to her rights as a parent.

One police report showed Vondemkamp as a victim and Hannah as suspect but apparently was ignored when charges were filed.

The Attorney General’s office accepted the case for prosecution but did not respond to requests for comment.

For more details from police reports and interviews with Vondemkamp and Allenbaugh, read the two-part story:

* Mom’s perspective of felony charges for gun discharge * Mom faces felony charges: perspective of daughter, boyfriend, and law enforcement

Documents cited above

* Kansas Standard Offense Report showing Karen Vondemkamp victim and Hannah Vondemkamp suspect, April 20, 2010. * Partial Transcript of Preliminary Hearing, State of Kansas v. Karen Vondemkamp, June 14, 2010. * Amended Complaint, State of Kansas v. Karen Vondemkamp, June 16, 2010.


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She is responsible for the actions of the 16 year old. She should legally be able to determine the conditions of the girls visitations.
1 posted on 12/12/2010 5:15:55 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Been there. Not with the gun but been there. Sad for the mom. Where’s the dad?


2 posted on 12/12/2010 5:20:03 AM PST by Mercat
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To: marktwain

To start with, when I was a 16 year old girl I wouldn’t have been allowed to date a 21 year old MAN. When I was a teenager of dating age I was only allowed to date boys my age that were still in high school. Of course, I was a teenager in the late 60’s and early 70’s and my parents (both of them) knew my every move but I did grow up in a very conservative relious home.


3 posted on 12/12/2010 5:28:15 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: marktwain

He is 21, I’m sure statutory rape charges are pending, I will just hold my breath.


4 posted on 12/12/2010 5:28:19 AM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: Melinda in TN

Can’t type this early. Should have been “religious”. Anyway, the mother was within her rights to restrict the daughter’s time with the boyfriend but IMO the boyfriend is too old for the daughter.


5 posted on 12/12/2010 5:31:52 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: marktwain

I suspect most people who read this will find it mildly amusing and wonder why the mother didn’t just get with the program—maybe hand the kids a box of condoms and wish them a good time as they sped off. That’s the only reason I can imagine for indicting her and letting the boyfriend off the hook. (Or maybe it was the evil shotgun she used.)


6 posted on 12/12/2010 5:33:29 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: marktwain

When our two girls were 16 - a loooong time ago now - if some 21 yo guy tried to *date* them, he’d never see 22.


7 posted on 12/12/2010 5:34:37 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Condor51

Trial by Jury. You never know what will happen there; the city may drop charges.


8 posted on 12/12/2010 5:37:36 AM PST by Loud Mime (Study the Constitution, while we still have it)
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To: Loud Mime
*** Trial by Jury. You never know what will happen there; the city may drop charges. ***

True enough. They 'may'. Then again, maybe not.
I know if I was on the Jury, Mom is Not Guilty, period.

In any case when it came to my/our two daughter's welfare when they were underage, I was the Jury -- and the Judge, and the Prosecutor. After they turned 18 and then 21 things naturally changed. But you still give them 'sage advice' (even when they don't want it).

9 posted on 12/12/2010 5:48:47 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: ConservativeChris
I’m sure statutory rape charges are pending,

You are assuming that they have had sex, and that there is some kind of 'proof' it occurred.

Since the article doesn't make any mention of her being pregnant, what proof do you have?

10 posted on 12/12/2010 5:52:10 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: marktwain

I would like to be on her jury. In my humble opinion,the prosecutor is the onr who needs to be on trial. For stupidity.


11 posted on 12/12/2010 5:55:27 AM PST by sport
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To: marktwain

The county prosecutor needs to be thrown out of office and then run out of town. I’d bet a box of doughnuts that he’s a big, fat anti-gun liberal.

A warning shot into a pervert’s truck tire is perfectly reasonable to me.


12 posted on 12/12/2010 5:55:49 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: madprof98
From the article: She grabbed her varmint rifle.......

she ran to get her .223 caliber single-shot rifle.

madprof98: Or maybe it was the evil shotgun she used

RIF

13 posted on 12/12/2010 5:56:19 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: marktwain
"Allenbaugh used his foot and 'put my weight into the door a little bit.'

That was the time to have chambered a round and pointed the weapon with intent to discharge.

14 posted on 12/12/2010 5:57:28 AM PST by azhenfud (The government is not best which secures life and property-there is a more valuable thing-manhood.)
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To: ConservativeChris

I would not advise that. Unless you don’t want to breathe anymore.


15 posted on 12/12/2010 5:57:31 AM PST by sport
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To: marktwain

Precisely.

Had he been a ‘stranger’ she would have been applauded as preventing a home invasion with possible rape & murder.

Monitoring ‘boy friends’ used to be the responsibility of fathers. Today, for whatever the reason, mothers are required to be providers and protectors.


16 posted on 12/12/2010 5:59:51 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: madprof98

I thought that one requirement of membership in FR was that one must know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun. Guess I was wrong.


17 posted on 12/12/2010 6:00:56 AM PST by RipSawyer (I wanna help Sarah cook some caribou steaks!)
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To: madprof98

My uncle would show the guys that dated his daughter his gun collection on their first date. They were few second dates.


18 posted on 12/12/2010 6:01:21 AM PST by sport
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To: Mercat

The dad will be in deep trouble if he tries to help. The “law” isn’t his friend. One scratch on the girl could send him to jail. It is a brave new world we live in.


19 posted on 12/12/2010 6:05:33 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: marktwain

Any opportunity to “take down” a law-abiding gun owner who happens to fire a weapon for a damned good reason and the leo’s are right on top of them to lock them up. Kids have all the rights now. Why isn’t the 21-year-old being prosecuted for breaking and entering and assaulting the mom—what is using your 50-pound weight advantage to force open a door and overpower an adult woman if it isn’t assault?


20 posted on 12/12/2010 6:08:45 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: sport

“My uncle would show the guys that dated his daughter his gun collection on their first date. They were few second dates.”

I thought some sort of display of firearms was Standard Operating Procedure for a first date. I know I always let the young men that dated my daughter know that I was a concealed carry firearms instructor. If the occasion arose, I would also let them observe that I always carried a pocket knife (Cold Steel Voyager 5 1/2 inch) and was reasonably well practiced in opening it one handed.


21 posted on 12/12/2010 6:10:21 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Look, let the little twit go. She’ll be knocked up in a week and then she’s on her own. Get rid of her. Bad spawn. It happens. When she’s forty, and a hag, and living on the streets with fifteen diseases she may reflect on what a moron she was. Probably not!


22 posted on 12/12/2010 6:10:41 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: seemoAR

It’s Kansas. California of the Plains.


23 posted on 12/12/2010 6:12:43 AM PST by steve8714 (Never again should free men be asked to fight for those without the courage to turn them loose.)
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To: 4Runner

Mark for later


24 posted on 12/12/2010 6:13:53 AM PST by sport
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To: RipSawyer

Or at least the ability to read. :-)


25 posted on 12/12/2010 6:14:13 AM PST by Rannug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-qH02g4DLI)
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To: marktwain

16-21? Nope, too old.


26 posted on 12/12/2010 6:22:07 AM PST by jocon307
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To: 4Runner

I know the answer to one of your questions. The 21 year old was invited in by one of the occupants of the home - the daughter. It is virtually impossible to restrain anyone from your home when your teenage child is out of control. I know, we tried. It is something of a miracle that neither my husband nor I was arrested. Probably most of the time the perp(s) had active warrants and so didn’t call 911. The good news is that we are now have adult children who are doing well. We survived. I’m finally able to go back and look at the photos without crying.


27 posted on 12/12/2010 6:22:11 AM PST by Mercat
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To: marktwain

One other comment.... what mom should have done was to remove everything from the girl’s room except a mattress and a blanket and one change of clothes. Only food in the house - oatmeal and milk. The girl will run away and the mom will have to report that. Then just let go. At 16, too late to change her. She will probably come back. It may take ten years but she’ll probably come back.


28 posted on 12/12/2010 6:24:12 AM PST by Mercat
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To: marktwain

This isn’t “love”, this is control and possession.

This “man” sounds obsessed with this teenager and unwilling to take “NO” for an answer. If he’ll bully the Mom to get his way, it’s just a matter of time before he exerts full physical and mental control over the girl. Do you think he will ever let her go, peacefully and normally?

What a sad thing when a stalker or sicko comes into your life. I don’t know if sending the girl away to a secure boarding school or taking her and fleeing would even save her at this point. Seems like being a “normal”
16 yr old worried about book reports, passing algebra, and prom gowns, is way over.


29 posted on 12/12/2010 6:25:16 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: marktwain
I don't get why the boyfriend isn't charged with something? He admitted he forcefully entered the house. He admitted he restrained the mother 3 times. HE'S DATING A 16 YEAR OLD!

I really hope they get the girl to admit they're having sex (and you know they are or that 21 year old would be long gone!) so he can be charged with statutory rape. Too bad the mom hadn't made more of a legal paper trail before this incident with a restraining order or something.

30 posted on 12/12/2010 6:34:29 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Palin 2012...YOU BETCHA!.)
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To: ConservativeChris

Not happening. Age of consent is 16 in Kansas.


31 posted on 12/12/2010 6:34:38 AM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: marktwain
Now, high school physics and chemistry teacher and mom Karen Vondemkamp faces two felony counts for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and one felony count for aggravated battery in January trial even though, she said she fired into the ground.

Shouldn't it something more like unlawful discharge of a weapon?

Allenbaugh admitted in his own testimony to forcefully entering her home and restraining Vondemkamp three times, yet he was never charged.

Hmmm.

She said she wonders what happened to her rights as a parent.

Gone the way of a lot of other rights.

But one has to wonder. In many place parents can be charged and jailed for the behavior of their 16 YO child. But at the same time, they are legally limited to essentially no power to regulate the child's behavior.

Realistically, short of tying one up, not much can be done to force a 16 YO to comply.

32 posted on 12/12/2010 6:35:33 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: UCANSEE2
You are assuming that they have had sex, and that there is some kind of 'proof' it occurred.
Since the article doesn't make any mention of her being pregnant, what proof do you have?

So far no proof but no 21 year old guy is going to hang around a 16 year old unless they are having sex.

One of them needs to admit it, though, for charges to be filed, I'll agree.

33 posted on 12/12/2010 6:37:19 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Palin 2012...YOU BETCHA!.)
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To: marktwain

i carried a service switchblade in HS overseas as a security measure, but that was back when young men were expected to be able to protect the young ladies in their care. The MILGROUP actually encouraged it. Wore out the pocket of several sets of 501s.

Colonel, USAFR


34 posted on 12/12/2010 6:41:04 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: CAluvdubya

“So far no proof but no 21 year old guy is going to hang around a 16 year old unless they are having sex.”

Right. I’m sure the window wasn’t the only thing in that house that got nailed.


35 posted on 12/12/2010 6:42:38 AM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: RipSawyer

‘Know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun’ — well, some of us (musicians) are here because it is a top-notch place to LEARN the differences. haha


36 posted on 12/12/2010 6:43:03 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Mercat
If the dad was in the picture, this would likely be a story about a homicide.

I count my blessings that I got to raise sons instead of daughters.

37 posted on 12/12/2010 6:45:04 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: silverleaf

I think you have hit the nail on the head. I raised 3 boys. None of them (nor any of my brothers or any of the other men I know well) would have ever behaved in this manner. And if any guy I had ever dated had behaved like this I would have thrown him out of the house myself. Something is very wrong with this guy AND his relationship with this girl. And it’s not JUST the age difference.


38 posted on 12/12/2010 6:56:10 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Doc Savage
i too believe in the BadSeed... you can raise them right, but it's no guarantee against a bad seed
39 posted on 12/12/2010 7:00:26 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

Last time I checked, an unrelated adult using force to remove a child from a parent and then fleeing with said child is still considered kidnapping. I do believe as a parent I’d contact the F.B.I.


40 posted on 12/12/2010 7:02:10 AM PST by Lazarus Starr
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To: marktwain
Hhmmm... No mention of a "Dad" in this story. There will be no 21 year-olds dating my 16 year-old daughter. Period.

Easy for me to say now... She's currently only 7.

41 posted on 12/12/2010 7:05:29 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: ConservativeChris

From what I can see, the age of consent in Kansas is 16, so he did nothing illegal. No statutory rape.


42 posted on 12/12/2010 7:08:31 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: ConservativeChris

For months Vondemkamp said she told Hannah she could date Allenbaugh only if they were supervised.

She was a dumb ass for letting that happen in my opinion but under Kansas law the age of consent 16.

Kansas is one of the few states in the union that recognizes Common Law Marriages. For Common Law Marriage, the female must only be 12 years old, the male 14.


43 posted on 12/12/2010 7:11:29 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA, You can't fix stupid...)
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To: CAluvdubya

Some need to figure out that in KS, them having sex was not illegal. Undesirable perhaps, but not illegal.


44 posted on 12/12/2010 7:12:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: UCANSEE2
You are assuming that they have had sex, and that there is some kind of 'proof' it occurred.

Of course the two kids are having intercourse. You tell this by what went on.
He should be brought up on Stat Rape if the Kansas laws allow

45 posted on 12/12/2010 7:15:07 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: FreedomPoster
I didn't know the legal age until AFTER I posted my comments. Sorry I don't know all the laws in all the states.

16 is terrihly young to he of leagal age and I'd wager that it is an exception rather than the rule...

46 posted on 12/12/2010 7:15:38 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Palin 2012...YOU BETCHA!.)
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To: CAluvdubya

More common than you might think. Just do a search on “age of consent”.


47 posted on 12/12/2010 7:27:54 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Lazarus Starr

Assumimg 16 is the age of legal consent in KS, and that she gave consent to go with him, there is no kidnapping. To get to kidnapping, you’d have to show the daughter was either underage or being coereced against her will somehow, and the facts as we know them don’t seem to suggest either of those facts.


48 posted on 12/12/2010 8:07:36 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: marktwain
A 21 yr. old man taking a 16 yr. old girl somewhere against her mother's wishes is called "kidnapping".

The district prosecutor is an ass.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

49 posted on 12/12/2010 8:22:08 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: FreedomPoster
From what I can see, the age of consent in Kansas is 16, so he did nothing illegal.

What about kidnapping?

If a parent is still the legal guardian of a dependent person under 18.....

.....Then couldn't this be kidnapping when the guardian did not want the child to leave in the "perps" custody?

50 posted on 12/12/2010 8:25:45 AM PST by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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