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Huge Bomb Kills 6 U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan
New York Times ^ | 12-12-10 | C. J. CHIVERS

Posted on 12/12/2010 11:25:38 AM PST by Justaham

Six American soldiers were killed and more than a dozen American and Afghan soldiers were wounded on Sunday morning when a van packed with explosives detonated beside a small joint outpost in southern Afghanistan.

The soldiers were at a new strong point in a small mud-walled building near the village of Sangsar, north of the Arghandab River, when the bomber drove up to one of the building’s walls and exploded his charge at about 9 a.m.

The blast was easily audible roughly 8 miles away, and sent a dusty mushroom cloud towering over the farmland.

The explosion blasted a large hole in the thick wall, causing the roof to collapse on soldiers inside. Other soldiers quickly arrived and clawed and pulled at the waist-deep rubble to free the buried troops.

The building had been occupied by American and Afghan troops for only a few days, an American official said, and was beside a narrow road. It was not immediately clear how the vehicle managed to approach as closely as it did without being challenged or stopped.

General Abdul-Hameed, a commander in the Afghan National Army, said by telephone that his soldiers had tried to stop the van but that its driver ignored them, drove toward the building and rammed the vehicle against its exterior wall.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 0bamasfault; islam; muslims; obamasfault; rop
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1 posted on 12/12/2010 11:25:39 AM PST by Justaham
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Justaham.


2 posted on 12/12/2010 11:27:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Justaham

“his soldiers had tried to stop the van but that its driver ignored them”

Isn’t that what your guns are for?


3 posted on 12/12/2010 11:32:10 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Justaham

Damn.


4 posted on 12/12/2010 11:33:52 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The care of human life...is the first and only legitimate object of good government -- Jefferson)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Not if you have orders telling you not to shoot.


5 posted on 12/12/2010 11:33:52 AM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Justaham

They were AMERICAN, not “NATO” troops, as expected.

*spit*


6 posted on 12/12/2010 11:35:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The care of human life...is the first and only legitimate object of good government -- Jefferson)
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To: Justaham; Kathy in Alaska

Dear God,Prayers for them and their families.


7 posted on 12/12/2010 11:35:28 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Justaham

Godspeed, Soldiers...


8 posted on 12/12/2010 11:37:17 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Justaham

Very bad.

Still not clear what happened, and we may never get an honest report. But if it’s true that someone told the truck to stop, yet it just kept going, then I have to wonder what the rules of engagement were. And whose idea was it to put their strongpoint right next to a road that was open for use?

We just had a potluck reception in our local community center for three national guard troops from our neighborhood who are just back from a year in Afghanistan. Thank God they got out in one piece. And prayers for our remaining troops there.


9 posted on 12/12/2010 11:38:10 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Justaham

Why do they always report NATO troops at first? I knew it... *crying graphic* Prayers


10 posted on 12/12/2010 11:48:49 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

it really pisses me off that they always say “NATO” troops.


11 posted on 12/12/2010 11:52:30 AM PST by And2TheRepublic
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To: EternalVigilance

Good for you - if there is an obvious example of candy-ass reporting to cover the Obamanator’s ass in this war, it’s this “NATO troop” crap....


12 posted on 12/12/2010 11:53:39 AM PST by matginzac
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To: Justaham

America is being played by Obama and “Osama”.

The ROE are being used to deliberately hurt American forces.


13 posted on 12/12/2010 11:55:34 AM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Justaham
When GWB was president we were told daily how many of our troops were killed but now its NATO this & NATO that.

I'm sick of it and want to see the truth.

I say bring our troops home or take off all restrains and fight this battle to win.

14 posted on 12/12/2010 11:56:01 AM PST by mickie
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To: fatima

Amen to that!!!! This is horrible. Isn’t it time to let the troops decide when it’s a good time to shoot or not? I’m totally sick to death of the Washington elite. This is congress fault, they won’t let them fight. To many rules of engagement that end up favoring the terrorist. Innocent civis will always get caught in the middle and end up dying. It’s part of war, you want to cut that down as much as possible. But, not at the expense of our troops.


15 posted on 12/12/2010 11:57:18 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Must be Obama’s ROEs.....we should nuke every valley and mountaintop in that forsaken country and denude it of people once and for all.


16 posted on 12/12/2010 11:57:34 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Justaham
It's time to remove Obama, and come to the defense of our soldiers in Afghanistan.
17 posted on 12/12/2010 11:59:19 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: ColdOne

I hate it when they call American troops “NATO troops.” It’s all part of Obama’s campaign to make the US unimportant.

That said, why in the world are we not defending ourselves better against these attacks from local Muslims? Every week we read about an “Afghan policeman” or “Afghan interpreter” or “Afghan military recruit” blowing up or shooting numbers of our people. Why are they allowed to get this close to our forces?


18 posted on 12/12/2010 12:02:02 PM PST by livius
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To: WestwardHo

Disasters all abound.


19 posted on 12/12/2010 12:02:47 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: Justaham

libs will not care, its only bad to them if you can bash the dead over a conservative republicans presidents head. other than that... no concern


20 posted on 12/12/2010 12:11:03 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: livius
I hate it when they call American troops “NATO troops.” It’s all part of Obama’s campaign to make the US unimportant. That said, why in the world are we not defending ourselves better against these attacks from local Muslims? Every week we read about an “Afghan policeman” or “Afghan interpreter” or “Afghan military recruit” blowing up or shooting numbers of our people. Why are they allowed to get this close to our forces? I thought it had to do with 0. I am thinking these Soldiers died because of the R.O.E. orders.
21 posted on 12/12/2010 12:11:59 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Possibly. Apparently the perimeter was guarded (after a fashion) by the Afghan army, and they called to the truck to halt but it didn’t and for some reason they couldn’t fire on it. Possibly that’s the result of the ROE, which affect any place where there are American forces.


22 posted on 12/12/2010 12:15:44 PM PST by livius
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To: Justaham

I wish they would indicate which province this happened in. My son is over there.


23 posted on 12/12/2010 12:24:31 PM PST by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: Justaham

This, and all Petreas’s CSM has to worry himself with is how to $hitcan any good soldiers who object to DADT.
Prayers up.


24 posted on 12/12/2010 12:27:38 PM PST by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: ColdOne

joining you in prayers...and tears.


25 posted on 12/12/2010 12:49:14 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: Wage Slave

I can’t imagine what you are going through..
Prayers lifted for your son and for you.


26 posted on 12/12/2010 12:50:46 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: Justaham

How many is that this week, this month? Why are we not getting a count like during Bush? So far we’re on course for a record coalition death toll.
http://www.breitbart.com/image.php?id=iafpCNG.d052109abbe741b11405fd09ff2df0a9.191p2&show_article=1&catnum=0&ch=BNImagesAll


27 posted on 12/12/2010 12:50:58 PM PST by vidbizz
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To: Justaham

Lousy news. I was wondering the other day, why is it that in Iraq and ‘Stan the bad guys have no trouble getting bombs to detonate, but on our soil (and yesterday in Sweden), they fail over and over.

I guess part of the answer is availability of explosives. But in London didn’t they go 3 for 4 with successful bus bombings? In Madrid, they had success. Tim McVeigh got a homemade device to work with terrible. We could have had 4-5 OK Cities by now.

It seems odd.


28 posted on 12/12/2010 12:56:33 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

Thank You.


29 posted on 12/12/2010 12:57:06 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: Justaham

TEARS!


30 posted on 12/12/2010 12:57:35 PM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: livius
That said, why in the world are we not defending ourselves better against these attacks from local Muslims? Every week we read about an “Afghan policeman” or “Afghan interpreter” or “Afghan military recruit” blowing up or shooting numbers of our people. Why are they allowed to get this close to our forces?

Because we sent out forces ~7,000 miles around the world to be in the midst of them. Maybe you think we can build a puppet government and army by some other method, I'm all ears.

31 posted on 12/12/2010 12:57:46 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: SaxxonWoods

“...with terrible results.”


32 posted on 12/12/2010 12:58:43 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN; ExTexasRedhead

Angel Flight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpYVfHTajOg&feature=related


33 posted on 12/12/2010 1:00:24 PM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Rules Of Engagement are killing our guys.


34 posted on 12/12/2010 1:02:49 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Guilty of being White.)
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To: GailA

Beautiful and touching, thank you for sharing it.
As a member of the Patriot Guard, I have been on way too many missions for our Fallen..and it breaks my heart everytime.


35 posted on 12/12/2010 1:06:13 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: Wage Slave

I pray you hear from you son soon. My son did 3 deployments in Iraq (44 months) and I was a nervous wreck never knowing if any of the incidents involved his company.

When you hear from your son thank him for me for his service.


36 posted on 12/12/2010 1:25:56 PM PST by heylady
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To: SaxxonWoods
I was wondering the other day, why is it that in Iraq and ‘Stan the bad guys have no trouble getting bombs to detonate, but on our soil (and yesterday in Sweden), they fail over and over.

This bombing was prepared by one guy, who is an expert, and executed by another, who is just an expendable patsy. The expert lives on to make another bomb. This is because there are many people in Afghanistan, and out of that large number you can find experts and suiciders. And, of course, you need to consider that Afghanistan is in a state of war for last 20 years, and a whole new generation grew up who never saw peace, doesn't know what it is for, and is comfortable with weapons and explosives.

Terrorists within the USA are, so far, stupid. They aren't bright enough to build a working bomb. Tim McVeigh wasn't stupid, and his bomb gutted a large building. Eventually AQ will send enough instructors into the USA, and once that happens the bombs will be very deadly. Those instructors may be already in the country, since the border is open for anyone willing to hike; it's even more open for those who carry weapons. The safe houses are already here (mosques.)

37 posted on 12/12/2010 1:26:56 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Wage Slave

((((((Hugs)))))))Hope you find out soon.


38 posted on 12/12/2010 1:58:25 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Wage Slave
You and me both. My son is in S. Afghanistan, and he's in a small outpost -- but I don't think he was on a joint mission.

Hope not. Hope your son is o.k. too.

39 posted on 12/12/2010 2:04:45 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: MsLady

So true.


40 posted on 12/12/2010 2:11:23 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: vidbizz
3 times as many U.S. soldiers killed under Obama‘s 2 year watch as were under Bush's entire 8 years
41 posted on 12/12/2010 3:05:04 PM PST by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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Thank you. You are the best of us. You always will be.


42 posted on 12/12/2010 3:14:36 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah coel Jmeth. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

(((((((Hugs))))))


43 posted on 12/12/2010 3:16:17 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

DEAR GOD PLEASE BRING OUR SOLDIERS HOME! PLEASE GOD.


44 posted on 12/12/2010 3:19:05 PM PST by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: Gaffer
Must be Obama’s ROEs.....we should nuke every valley and mountaintop in that forsaken country and denude it of people once and for all.

Well, we would have to include Pakistan as well. Which I wouldn't really have a problem with. They all hide in the mountainous regions on the Afghan/ Paki border. Pakistan does nothing.

Personally, I favor cultivating a friendship with India.

45 posted on 12/12/2010 3:19:51 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Greysard

That’s a good answer, and I agree with most of what you say. I think your take will explain 30-50% of the problem. I don’t think it can cover the vast difference in competency. If an expert makes the bomb, any fool can push the detonator, it’s the construction that is failing.

If you go all the way back to Richard Reed, there has been an amazing run of failure. Hmmmm. Perhaps your idea about high quality fixers located in country explains more than I first thought.

Thanks for food for thought.


46 posted on 12/12/2010 3:32:53 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: Gunslingr3

This was a vulnerable, remote base and hardly the place for what you call “building a puppet army.” I know we’re bending over backwards trying to prove that we’re not there to disrupt their miserable way of life, but personally, I’d suspect they don’t fear us enough.


47 posted on 12/12/2010 3:45:51 PM PST by livius
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To: Wage Slave

Nephew here. I haven’t heard that he received his last package, although he is “out” a lot. Prayers.


48 posted on 12/12/2010 3:59:34 PM PST by Roses0508
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To: And2TheRepublic
...it really pisses me off that they always say “NATO” troops.

It's called "conditioning"

Soon, it won't piss you off...if you know what's good for you.

49 posted on 12/12/2010 4:14:25 PM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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To: SunkenCiv

For what ?


50 posted on 12/12/2010 4:18:03 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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