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One nation, under too many laws (I never read a better OpEd.)
Washington Post ^ | December 12, 2010 | Philip K. Howard

Posted on 12/12/2010 11:50:05 AM PST by neverdem

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To: gogogodzilla

I like it.

61 posted on 12/13/2010 8:22:41 AM PST by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: Noumenon; neverdem

Excellent op-ed and an excellent quote from Atlas Shrugged. I would have liked to see lawyer author embrace at least the spirit of Paul Ryan’s Roadmap. This guy’s idea of sunsetting combined with Ryan’s Roadmap are both required for getting this country back on a path to sanity, liberty and growth.

62 posted on 12/13/2010 10:07:54 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: YankeeReb

Maybe its time to stop being fearful of where we are heading and look at it as a necessary pothole in the ground that we all have to pitch in to fill it...

I’m going to start looking at our future with more concern and do what I can to encourage a little bit more than just civic duty at the polls...

We need to ALL be on our elected officials arses telling them what we think of some of the actions (bills) they are proposing and debating at the time...Don’t let up for a second...Now is not the time to be resting on our laurels thinking we are going to be smooth sailing till 2012...That attitude is what got us the results starting in 2004, ‘06 and the coup de grau in ‘08...

If anyone thinks their job is over and done with at the polls, I have no use for you, and neither does the rest of the country...

The people who started this Representative Republic weren’t just sitting around talking about it and writing some pretty good stuff on paper...While some were doing that, others were molding musket balls...And that is a figure of speech (from a certain point of view)...

While we have in place some folks who are yammering up the issues now on our side of the political pendulum swing...What we need to be doing is keeping the pressure on those we know who will waiver and not be doing the things within the confines of the Constitution...

If they need to be branded for not doing so...Well, so be it...That opportunity comes around every two years...There are a lot more of us than them...


63 posted on 12/13/2010 10:17:08 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Here's anotehr outstandign Rand quote. It is in fact on the front page of my website

The greatest guilt today is that of people who accept collectivism by moral default; the people who seek protection from the necessity of taking a stand, by refusing to admit to themselves the nature of that which they are accepting; the people who support plans specifically designed to achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that they are lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the word; the people who believe that the content of ideas need not be examined, that principles need not be defined, and that facts can be eliminated by keeping one’s eyes shut. They expect, when they find themselves in a world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape moral responsibility by wailing: “But I didn’t mean this!”

Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condemning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead.
–Ayn Rand

This is what me must say to those who make excuses for and support the collectivist monsters who now control the White House. 0bama challenged his followers to get in our faces. We must in turn get in their faces with this sentiment and these ideas.

The judgement of history has been exceedingly harsh upon those whose bland acceptance of the collectivist path that those behind 0bama are orchestrating for this nation have voted and applauded into power. They mean to destroy this nation, and they have proceeded almost unchecked upon this path.

Obama supporters - and the Ruling Class Republicans - have accepted collectivism and the premises of the ideas that support it. Like it or not (and perhaps they do), know it or not (and perhaps they don’t care), they have opted for slavery of the most insidious sort. Those choices have consequences. Regardless of what they may think, they are exempt from none of them.

There are those who believe that they have a Get Out of History Free card. Nothing could be further from the truth. And no one will be more surprised than the ruling class elites and their supporters when they discover that no, they are manifestly NOT exempt from the consequences of their very bad ideas...

THAT's the message that we must get across. And that the Ruling Class writ doesn't run here. Defiance, non-compliance and ultimately armed resistance to their dictat will follow. Because the alternative is unthinkable.

64 posted on 12/13/2010 10:31:52 AM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: neverdem

You know, we can even weigh our laws now.

The printed enumerated ordnances as could be used as weights, we got so many.

There ought to be a law against lawmakers.

And when required, For every new one they pass, deepsix a hundred.

The only sunset is on our dangerous liberties.

65 posted on 12/13/2010 11:33:58 AM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: neverdem

Amazing that Carter proposed sunset clauses in laws, since his CRA is the basis for the mnelt-down in the mortgage industry.

66 posted on 12/13/2010 2:10:52 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Bryan24

I figured that. Juvenile attempt at humor on my part. An amazing number of people make similar errors and I just find them funny. I seem to be about the only person who does.

That said, I seriously doubt 8% would run even the government most conservatives would want to see.

67 posted on 12/13/2010 3:24:06 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Noumenon
Re the Rand quote:

Thomas Jefferson put a similar question as follows:

"It is not only vain, but wicked in a legislator to frame laws in opposition to the laws of nature, and to arm them with the terrors of death. This is truly creating crimes in order to punish them." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Crimes Bill, 1779. Papers 2:502

68 posted on 12/13/2010 5:52:25 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Noumenon

Three Felonies a Day:

The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have exploded in number but also become impossibly broad and vague. In Three Felonies a Day, Harvey A. Silverglate reveals how federal criminal laws have become dangerously disconnected from the English common law tradition and how prosecutors can pin arguable federal crimes on any one of us, for even the most seemingly innocuous behavior. The volume of federal crimes in recent decades has increased well beyond the statute books and into the morass of the Code of Federal Regulations, handing federal prosecutors an additional trove of vague and exceedingly complex and technical prohibitions to stick on their hapless targets. The dangers spelled out in Three Felonies a Day do not apply solely to “white collar criminals,” state and local politicians, and professionals. No social class or profession is safe from this troubling form of social control by the executive branch, and nothing less than the integrity of our constitutional democracy hangs in the balance.

69 posted on 12/13/2010 5:59:26 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: screaminsunshine; neverdem; Noumenon

“The we need to get something done syndrome. No, they need to get a lot Undone.”

There’s nothing worse than a hard working legislator.

70 posted on 12/13/2010 9:38:51 PM PST by aquila48
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