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Signs Suggest that N.Korean Regime Is Cracking
Chosun Ilbo ^

Posted on 12/12/2010 8:09:57 PM PST by jhpigott

South Korean, U.S. and Japanese foreign ministry officials talked about the possibility that the North Korean regime has lost control and gone off the rails since the artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island, it emerged Friday. On Thursday, President Lee Myung-bak said North Koreans are now much aware of the outside world. "I feel reunification is now not far off."

A senior government official said, "Having watched the North launch a series of provocations such as the torpedo attack on the Navy corvette Cheonan, its uranium enrichment program and the shelling of Yeonpyeong Island, officials in Seoul, Washington and Tokyo recently discussed the need to look at the North's latest movements from a completely new viewpoint."

He said some officials saw the Yeonpyeong attack as merely another round in a familiar pattern of provocations, "but others said that it shows that the situation on the Korean Peninsula has entered a new phase." This may mean the regime "has lost control internally," he added.

A North Korean source said, "There are some unusual signs now that it's difficult for Kim Jong-il to make all the decisions alone as before." He speculated that the process of transferring power to Kim Jong-un is going badly.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.chosun.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chiahead; chiapet; dprk; kimjongil; kimjongun; korea; nkorea; northkorea; pyongyang
Not good. Not good at all.

A collapsing DPRK may very well end up reunifying the peninsula - - but probably not peaceably.

1 posted on 12/12/2010 8:09:58 PM PST by jhpigott
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Uncle Ike; maquiladora; AU72

ping


2 posted on 12/12/2010 8:10:38 PM PST by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott
Signs signs everywhere signs.

How many decades is this?
3 posted on 12/12/2010 8:13:35 PM PST by allmost
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To: jhpigott; TigerLikesRooster

South Korea can keep China neutral I think, by promising not to militarize the northern part of the country at all and to boot out the US within a few years of reunification.


4 posted on 12/12/2010 8:17:48 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: allmost

I’m sure the 5 Man Electrical Band thanks you for the plug.


5 posted on 12/12/2010 8:21:46 PM PST by JPG (Sarah dedicated her new book to Trig: "I'm glad you're here.")
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To: GeronL
If I were China I'd take that deal.

As an American, I'd like to bring our people home and leave Korea to the Koreans. Conversely, I also like having the bases and hardware near China.

North Korea is, and has been, in a downward spiral for a long time. The only real questions left are how far it will go before something breaks, and when (not if) it breaks up, will it go peacefully or not. Personally, my opinion is it will continue downward for another 3 to 5 years, and when it goes, it will not be peaceful.

6 posted on 12/12/2010 8:24:23 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: JPG

I wish that you thank them on my behalf then. :)


7 posted on 12/12/2010 8:24:51 PM PST by allmost
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To: ThunderSleeps; TigerLikesRooster

SK may not be able to absorb NK but they could keep it as a “puppet state” as Tigerlikesrooster says, and raise the standard of living enough for them to be able to merge. It could take a decade, but at least North Koreans wouldn’t be STARVING in the meantime.


8 posted on 12/12/2010 8:31:35 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: jhpigott

Castro was about to die a couple years ago. Iran’s government was about to be overthrown. Hugo Chavez actually was overthrown for a couple of days and then regained power. The world will end in 2011 or 2012, depending on who you believe. I would put “North Korea is on the brink of collapse” along with these other headlines.


9 posted on 12/12/2010 8:33:37 PM PST by decisis
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To: jhpigott

“I feel reunification is now not far off.”

Asian culture and history has a different perspective on the passage of time than we do.

I’m reminded of a passge from George HW Bush’s book “Looking Forward”. In this book, he describes a meeting that he and Henry Kissinger had with Mao Tse-Tung.

Mao and Kissinger were talking about the rift between the PRC and Taiwan. Mao told Kissinger that the issue would be settled in time, probably a hundred years or so. Bush said that Mao’s comment was more or less saying “We’ve been around for a very long time and we can be patient”.

I wonder if the comment made by South Korea’s PM could be interpreted in the same manner?


10 posted on 12/12/2010 8:36:40 PM PST by MplsSteve (Governor Mark Dayton? That's so incredibly alarming, don't you think?)
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To: GeronL

You may be right. What are the parallels with say, the German reunification? I honestly don’t know if East Germany was in as dire straights as NK is. SK has a powerful economy, but rebuilding a trashed NK will take a long time as you say. Covering the basics, no problem. Equalizing across the peninsula? Yeah, long-term project.


11 posted on 12/12/2010 8:38:06 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ThunderSleeps
They do not have to be totally equalized of course. I can imagine the north would have a bit lower wages and that will help bring in private sector employment. I say it'd be at least a decade before the border can be totally erased. Meanwhile the government would make sure that nobody in the north is starving to death. Did you know there is little to no recognition of the homeless? They are non-persons in the north. .... Kotjebi or kotchebi (꽃제비) is a Korean term denoting North Korean homeless children. The term literally means "fluttering swallows", given because of the kotjebi's constant search for food and shelter.[1] The kotjebi are not officially recog...nized in North Korea, with any mention of the term being prohibited in state publications and documents. The kotjebi are constantly forced to seek food and thus gather in groups to beg and pickpocket.[2] Most of the kotjebi eat only once a day. The diet of the kotjebi, along with the food they obtain from begging, consists mainly of grass soup, wild vegetable porridge, and grass roots."
12 posted on 12/12/2010 8:47:30 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: ThunderSleeps
They do not have to be totally equalized of course. I can imagine the north would have a bit lower wages and that will help bring in private sector employment. I say it'd be at least a decade before the border can be totally erased. Meanwhile the government would make sure that nobody in the north is starving to death. Did you know there is little to no recognition of the homeless? They are non-persons in the north. .... Kotjebi or kotchebi (꽃제비) is a Korean term denoting North Korean homeless children. The term literally means "fluttering swallows", given because of the kotjebi's constant search for food and shelter.[1] The kotjebi are not officially recog...nized in North Korea, with any mention of the term being prohibited in state publications and documents. The kotjebi are constantly forced to seek food and thus gather in groups to beg and pickpocket.[2] Most of the kotjebi eat only once a day. The diet of the kotjebi, along with the food they obtain from begging, consists mainly of grass soup, wild vegetable porridge, and grass roots."
13 posted on 12/12/2010 8:47:30 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: jhpigott
Signs Suggest that N.Korean Obama Regime Is Cracking
14 posted on 12/12/2010 8:52:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: JPG

You’re Absolutely Right.

I’ve often wondered if the N. Korean regime is ON crack, which would make them “cracking” I reckon...


15 posted on 12/12/2010 8:53:00 PM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: jhpigott

On Thursday, President Lee Myung-bak said North Koreans are now much aware of the outside world.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It may sound a bit crazy, but isn’t there a way to airdrop (or by some other means) like a million iPods, then beam in Internet access - even if it was large WiFi’s on the border?

Something to give them internet access, where they could learn the truth of their situation.


16 posted on 12/12/2010 9:23:51 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: bigbob

The first sign as to any cracks will be how susceptible, on a 1-to-10 scale, with 5 as the norm, that the DPRK Foreign Ministry diplomats are that are currently overseas, to be “befriended” for a price—or maybe even without a price. It is easy access, one need not enter the prohibitively difficult DPRK territory itself, and, “every man has his price” as they say particularly when they know the “jig is up” and it is time to deal themselves a good deal, get out while the gettin’s good. As elite KWP members, oath to Kim Jong Un or no oath, one assumes they will be well-enough connected to the Kim regime, even if loyal in the here and now, to know if things are collapsing there or not. Those that want to deal, will, well, deal. I think this is one soft underbelly that should well be probed in Vienna, Paris, Phnom Penh, even in New York City (UN mission) and other places. A trickle could become a stream if conditions were just right. Calling all diplomats back to DPRK if things got way out of control would be another sign; if they just up and vacated all diplomatic posts overseas.


17 posted on 12/12/2010 9:45:34 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**George W Bush** bears as much responsibility as CARTER, CLINTON and OBAMA over N. Korean nukes)
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To: jhpigott

I found this link interesting. A little off-topic:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/06/24/2009062400273.html


18 posted on 12/12/2010 10:34:44 PM PST by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: jhpigott

The people in NK are starving. The young girl at the beginning of this video was later found dead after she starved. She was destitute after the deaths of her father and mother.

It’s stuck in my head for the last few days.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8113817/Inside-North-Korea-exclusive-footage.html


19 posted on 12/12/2010 11:12:56 PM PST by zipper
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To: jhpigott
may very well end up reunifying the peninsula

Not gonna happen. China will never give up territory they've bled for.

They'll find another puppet and attach tighter strings.

20 posted on 12/12/2010 11:22:28 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: zipper

DPRK to DPRK
Got to say I ain’t gonna play Pyongyang City

Chorus:
I ain’t gonna play Pyongyang City
I ain’t gonna play Pyongyang City
(Everybody Say)
I ain’t gonna play Pyongyang City
(No baby)
I ain’t gonna play Pyongyang City

Relocation to education camps
Separation of families I can’t understand
Twenty three million can’t breath ‘cause they’re not free
We’re stabbing our brothers and sisters in the back I’m gonna say

Obama tell us “we’re doing all we can”
“Constructive engagement”, too, was Bush and Clinton’s plan
Meanwhile people are dying and giving up hope
This quiet diplomacy ain’t nothing but a joke

Chorus:

It’s time to accept resposibility
Freedom is a priviledge nobody rides for free
Look around the world baby it cannot be denied
Why we’re always on the wrong side

Chorus:

Yodok Prison is far away
But we know it’s in North Korea no matter what they say
You can’t buy me I don’t care what you pay
Don’t ask me Pyongyang City ‘cause I ain’t gonna play

Chorus:

Relocation to education camps
Separation of families I can’t understand
Twenty three million can’t breathe ‘cause they’re not free
We’re stabbing our brothers and sisters in the back I’m gonna say


21 posted on 12/13/2010 12:43:58 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**George W Bush** bears as much responsibility as CARTER, CLINTON and OBAMA over N. Korean nukes)
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To: DWar

Squeeze the north now. Press the north. Stand up. Upon the next provocation, retaliate in force. Let’s solve the problem.

The north’s military is crap. North Korea will cave and we can reunify the pennisula. Solve the problem.

Reunification will kill nuclear programs in several third world countrys.


22 posted on 12/13/2010 1:18:21 AM PST by Walvoord
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To: Walvoord; jhpigott
“The north’s military is crap. North Korea will cave and we can reunify the pennisula. Solve the problem.”
~~~

You mite want to check the size of the NK army and what

they are armed with,,,

They have the largest arty force on earth,,,IIRC,,,
(6,000 guns + rocket forces)

75% of it is dug into the ridges along the DMZ,,,

I have read that they can put 10,000 rounds per min. on

Seoul for three days,,,

That said,,,I think this latest is a “poke in the eye”,,,

Something to watch close...

23 posted on 12/13/2010 2:18:20 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: JPG
"I’m sure the 5 Man Electrical Band thanks you for the plug"

And Tesla; they did a good unplugged cover of it, and even named their album "5 Man Acoustical Jam" as an homage.

That's pronounced "Ahhhh-Mahhhjjj".

24 posted on 12/13/2010 6:19:38 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Totalitarian systems are extremely brittle. They look solid and impenetrable right up until they collapse. There's YouTube video of Ceaucescu's last speech from a balcony in Bucharest. The crowd laughed at him. He and the Mrs. were executed soon there after.

Remember the last press conference of the Politburo during the self-coup attempt? They were literally shaking with fear up there. The Soviet Union collapsed within days.

The NorK's could collapse faster than anyone thinks. All that needs to happen is for people in the Army to decide not to follow orders. Lose the fear, bring down the regime.

25 posted on 12/13/2010 8:47:01 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: allmost

I’ve often fantasized about finding where Les Emmerson (he wrote the song) lives now and squatting on his property with a few dozen friends. When he calls the police, I shout “Hey! what gives you the right?”


26 posted on 12/17/2010 7:46:24 AM PST by yooling ( FUBO)
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