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Scarborough On Tax Cut Deal: 'George Bush Has Won'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 12/13/2010 6:20:50 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Somewhere, George Bush is laughing . . .

That was the image in Joe Scarborough's mind this morning. The Morning Joe host repeatedly made the point that whereas Dems continue to control the White House and massive congressional majorities, they now are looking at the Bush tax cuts, which for years they vilified, as their last best hope.

When it comes to Republican and Dem support for the tax cut deal, Joe--concerned about the $1 trillion being added to the deficit--has been in pox-on-both-their-houses mode. He seems to side with opponents of the bill including Jim DeMint, Rand Paul. . . and even Bernie Sanders. But Joe took particular delight today in skewering the Dems. As he put it, they are still in charge, and thus "own" the bill. Summed up Scarborough: "George Bush has won."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; georgebush; joescarborough; taxcuts

1 posted on 12/13/2010 6:20:55 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Somewhere, George Bush is laughing ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 12/13/2010 6:21:45 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What did the commie wench, Mika, say?


3 posted on 12/13/2010 6:23:36 AM PST by safetysign
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
concerned about the $1 trillion being added to the deficit

Does anybody over there ever stop and think about this canard?

We don't get another trillion added to the deficit because the tax rates are 28% instead of 33%.

We get another trillion because the gubmint spends it. If you want to argue that GWB started it with the bonzai bailout bonanza, then go ahead, at least you have some firm ground.

But there aren't enough "rich" people to tax, even at 100%, to cover that trillion.

4 posted on 12/13/2010 6:25:22 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

When all the libs are saying you won...you know you just got screwed.

OPPOSE THE DEAL!


5 posted on 12/13/2010 6:25:41 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be ustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: safetysign

Mika tried to argue that the Dems are opposed to the deal but that Republicans forced them into it. Joe repeatedly made the point that Dems still control the White House and both houses of Congress, and thus “own” the deal.


6 posted on 12/13/2010 6:26:30 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Having both Clinton and Obama urging the retention of the Bush tax cuts on the same podium had to be satisfying for W.


7 posted on 12/13/2010 6:26:40 AM PST by AU72
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To: icwhatudo

AGREED!

The DEMS won on this!


8 posted on 12/13/2010 6:27:08 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Scarborough On Tax Cut Deal: 'George Bush Has Won'

Hey Joe - tell Mika Barney says *woof*.

9 posted on 12/13/2010 6:38:12 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Funny how they only care about the deficit when you wont let them increase taxes

But spending cuts never ever ever seem to cross their minds

How did someone this stupid get on the air?


10 posted on 12/13/2010 6:39:32 AM PST by Mr. K ('Profiling' is much worse than grabbing your balls)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
and the winner is....


11 posted on 12/13/2010 6:39:59 AM PST by shiva
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To: shiva

Nope Not by a long shot. And the taxpayers are the losers. Why doesn’t the Senate hold out until the next session? What’s the rush?


12 posted on 12/13/2010 6:41:57 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
. . .concerned about the $1 trillion being added to the deficit. . .

Joe, if you are truly concerned about the deficit, there are a couple of things you can do:

First, demand the Congress CUT SPENDING. I know that's a novel idea, but it WILL reduce the deficit. You have the soapbox - use it.

Second, donate some of your own money to the federal government, and rant on the rich libs until they do the same. (Again, use that soapbox.)

Liberals always want to raise taxes, just not on themselves.

13 posted on 12/13/2010 6:42:48 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Using Lib (anti)logic... I ask my boss for a $100 a month raise... he says “no, get back to work”. I then say “my boss cost me $1,200 a year”. Such is LeftMath!


14 posted on 12/13/2010 6:53:14 AM PST by FiddlePig (truth is hard... lies are easy - http://redneckoblogger.blogspot.com)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Using Lib (anti)logic... I ask my boss for a $100 a month raise... he says “no, get back to work”. I then say “my boss cost me $1,200 a year”. Such is LeftMath!


15 posted on 12/13/2010 6:53:20 AM PST by FiddlePig (truth is hard... lies are easy - http://redneckoblogger.blogspot.com)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Via bizzyblog - Great editorial in the Colorado Springs Gazette — “Tax relief is not an ‘expense.’” (vote in poll)http://www.gazette.com/opinion/view-109421-obama-vote.html


16 posted on 12/13/2010 6:55:40 AM PST by anglian
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OUR VIEW: Tax relief is not an ‘expense’ (vote in poll)Wayne Laugesen
2010-12-10
Critics of President Barack Obama’s amazing tax compromise, endorsed Friday by former President Bill Clinton, complain that it’s too expensive. We’re told it is an $855 billion stimulus — a gigantic cost to a government that cannot afford it.

It’s fair to characterize tax relief as a form of stimulus because tax cuts have a proven track record of stimulating constructive economic activity. But it’s ludicrous and completely inaccurate to call it an expense.

Those who have the gall to portray tax relief as an expense remind us of the old system of taxation. Pharaohs and kings in the old world owned all property in the tyrannical territories they ruled. Individuals served government. They paid the rulers for use of whatever land and other property they needed in order to survive. No wealth belonged to the individual; all belonged to the ruler.

Under that system, it would be a genuine expense to the government if the king were to reduce the cost an individual paid in order to use the property, equipment, water and air needed to provide for himself and his family’s needs. It all belonged to the king.

In a free society, discounts and rebates offered by private parties may also be fairly characterized as expenses. When a cellphone company sends a $100 rebate to a customer who bought a new phone, it’s an expense to a company that has property rights and wealth. It’s a decision to reduce the value of a $500 phone, owned by the company, to $400 in order to incentivize another party to procure it.

Reducing taxes, or maintaining a tax reduction, is entirely different. It cannot be viewed as an expense because government does not own the fruits of taxation. In the United States, government serves individuals who have the right to own property and to keep and control the fruits of their endeavors. The founders guaranteed private property rights in the Constitution in order to forbid the tyranny of government owning what rightly belongs to individuals. Here, individuals ostensibly pay a portion of what they own to government to fund that which they have asked government to provide for the collective good. Government owns nothing; individuals own all. Government gets what the people have decided to give it, as decided by representatives they have elected to represent their interests. Government serves the people.

(Vote in poll to the right in red type. Must vote to see results. Thanks!)

If we are something far different than a serfdom that owns and controls wealth, it’s impossible for tax cuts to cost government. The wealth is not property of government. Leaving it in paychecks cannot be an expense.

Democrats who refuse to support Obama’s tax compromise just don’t get all of that, nor do they want to.

Our government is mired in debt because of this confusion. It leads government to spend more than the people who own wealth have agreed to pay. The way out cannot involve more confiscation in the form of higher taxes. Less government is clearly what the people want and precisely what they should get in order to make this tax compromise work. All of the money belongs to the people, not the federal government that serves them.


17 posted on 12/13/2010 7:03:14 AM PST by anglian
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What cracks me up about this entire debate is this.

Everyone agrees by raising everyone’s taxes it will harm the economy (well except the far left loons). So the debate is about “not raising the taxes” in our slow economy.

People that argue that keeping the taxes at the current rate is going to help our economy are wrong too. Look at the the current economy with the current rates. We are barely growing. So doing nothing regarding the tax rates is not going to inspire a boom in the economy.

Thus, if the current tax rate and raising the current tax rate either leave us in our current situation or makes the situation worse... Then the solution is to cut ALL taxes to help our economy.

I am amazed how little I hear about this. The Republicans, Talk Radio and Fox News needs to be hammering this point.

Instead what I hear are Republicans, etc agreeing with the Democrats premises that this is a “tax cut”. It’s not a tax cut at all. It’s a tax raise. How can you call it a tax cut by leaving the current rates the same? If you agree with their (the rats) loaded argument, then you have already lost half the battle. The verbiage is extremely important.

The problem is not raising tax revenue. Hell the government admits to taking in over 2 trillion in taxes. BTW, I am sure they have way more than they admit. We all know the government lies. It’s a spending problem in Washington and NOT a raising enough tax revenue. People are either stupid or nuts if they believe that by raising our tax rates our federal government is suddenly going to become fiscally responsible.

Just my two cents.


18 posted on 12/13/2010 7:22:16 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: anglian
Wayne Laugesen is the editorial writer for my local paper (the Colorado Springs Gazette). He no doubt means well, but really .... the guy needs a ruthless editor and a pair of blinders to keep his attention focused on whatever topic he starts out to discuss.

Wayne's editorials remind one of a fly in a cow pasture -- they flit from subject to subject until sheer exhaustion forces them to land on that one final pile.

What's left is shallowness.... and I suppose it's fitting, seeing as the Gazette as a whole is a rather shallow enterprise.

19 posted on 12/13/2010 7:58:05 AM PST by r9etb
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
But Joe took particular delight today in skewering the Dems.

Oh, riiiiiiiight.

20 posted on 12/13/2010 8:00:04 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Sprite518
What cracks me up about this entire debate is this.

What's happening, is that people are avoiding the real discussion.

The discussion of taxes and such, is predicated on the assumption that current government spending levels are sacrosanct. If one accepts that assumption, then the claim that tax cuts represent an "expense" actually has a great deal of merit.

What needs to happen -- and what the GOP needs to do -- is to shift the focus to the spending side of the equation. It needs to approached in a rational, reasonable way, and the discussion has to account for the fact that the reductions will necessarily be gradual (for political and even humanitarian reasons).

And (heresy!!!) it may even make sense in some cases for tax cuts to lag behind spending reductions.

All of this will require sober, responsible, adult behavior by those in positions of responsibility. Meaning that it will never happen.

21 posted on 12/13/2010 8:25:26 AM PST by r9etb
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

does he mean on the tax cuts or on the additional spending?


22 posted on 12/13/2010 8:31:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: r9etb

Bingo!


23 posted on 12/13/2010 8:51:11 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: icwhatudo; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz
When all the libs are saying you won...you know you just got screwed.

You got that right. I thought that GOP's "no earmarks" pledge really amounted to nothing. More closed door meetings, and massive pork emerges. It's disgusting, but not surprising, that the GOP caved so soon after its landslide victory.

With 80 YES votes, they didn't even need the pork to buy votes. And Pelosi hasn't even started adding from her wish list.


24 posted on 12/14/2010 7:05:32 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Lt. Col. Ralph Peters: Obama is the dog who caught the fire truck!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
You got that right. I thought that GOP's "no earmarks" pledge really amounted to nothing. More closed door meetings, and massive pork emerges. It's disgusting, but not surprising, that the GOP caved so soon after its landslide victory.

Just like when Papa Bush raised taxes, in return for the Rats cutting spending.....yeah right....like that was going to happen......Papa Bush got played like a fiddle and it cost him the election.

25 posted on 12/14/2010 7:06:56 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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RE :”You got that right. I thought that GOP’s “no earmarks” pledge really amounted to nothing. More closed door meetings, and massive pork emerges. It's disgusting, but not surprising, that the GOP caved so soon after its landslide victory. With 80 YES votes, they didn't even need the pork to buy votes. And Pelosi hasn't even started adding from her wish list.

This is a short term political winner for Republicans because next year they dont have to deal with these issues, at least for another year(unemployment compensation) but the future taxpayers/retirees got screwed once again. I haven't decided if this is a net political plus or a minus for Obama for 2012, I see both sides. In Obama’s case independents may like him for this but his base is fuming but has no place to go.

Notice how popular this deal is with both Democrats and Republicans(voters). Rather than either side have to swallow unpopular and painful tax increases or spending cuts as Obama's deficit commission recommended ironically, this deal adds even new tax cuts and more spending to the budget. The payroll tax cuts ( SS funded by even more treasuries and Federal reserve Q2 instead of FICA taxes) don't even go to employers to make labor cheaper to hire, they go to employees (many who don't even pay federal income taxes) supposedly to spend but mainly to buy their votes.

If the mounting debt starts to kill the economy by inflation or high interest rates the same fickle voters who loved this ‘Christmas Present’ will turn again on someone.

Scarborough is right about one thing. Obama has become the man he derided so much to get elected.

Washington Orders Another Free Lunch (Peter Schiff)

26 posted on 12/14/2010 8:16:57 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

I guess I don’t understand what the GOP’s obligation is to Obama’s tax deal “framework.” The GOP agreed to extend the tax rates and nemployment payments, but do they have to vote for it no matter how much pork they throw in?

The GOP congress members’ primary loyalty should be to the voters who wanted not only low taxes, but also pork-less legislation.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 9:52:02 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Lt. Col. Ralph Peters: Obama is the dog who caught the fire truck!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3
RE :”I guess I don’t understand what the GOP’s obligation is to Obama’s tax deal “framework.” The GOP agreed to extend the tax rates and employment payments, but do they have to vote for it no matter how much pork they throw in? The GOP congress members’ primary loyalty should be to the voters who wanted not only low taxes, but also pork-less legislation.

Given that they are a lame duck congress they shouldn't be passing ANYTHING that extends beyond next Spring. It only gives Republicans cover (from responsibility) and Democrats power they shouldn't have after the election sweep.

There is something very perverse about Obama and Senate RINOs making a deficit booming deal like this just after a painful deficit commission report is released (that we all knew would be DOA.)

28 posted on 12/14/2010 10:45:25 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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