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Tax bill clears key hurdle in Senate (The 4:20 pm ET Vote 64 - 8)
msnbc ^ | December 13, 2010

Posted on 12/13/2010 1:38:15 PM PST by Red Steel

Domenico Montanaro writes: *** UPDATE *** NBC's Ken Strickland reports based on preliminary vote tally the Senate has cleared the 60-vote threshold to advance the tax bill. The vote is still open. These are preliminary numbers

The Senate is voting on a key procedural vote on the tax cuts compromise bill; 60 was needed for passage.

(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; bushtaxcuts; lameduck; obama; obamanomics; obammunism; tax; taxes; taxextension

1 posted on 12/13/2010 1:38:18 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

BOHICA!


2 posted on 12/13/2010 1:41:35 PM PST by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: paulcissa

And now the RINOs are free to help the Democrats pass DREAM, DADT Repeal, and START. Reid might even have time to dust off the House’s Cap and Trade bill, and get that passed.


3 posted on 12/13/2010 1:47:24 PM PST by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: Red Steel

Yep...DREAM Act is just 1 or 2 votes away from the biggest illegal amnesty act in history.


4 posted on 12/13/2010 1:50:42 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Red Steel

Obama is itching to get this puppy passed it is a stimulus.
He wants it because it clearly has more BS funding for dead people and votes for him.

He is the devil himself making America suffer and then slightly letting us maybe eat; then throwing in all of this garbage. HE knows the GOP look like crap if they don’t pass it.


5 posted on 12/13/2010 2:00:33 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: montag813

They best not pass any commiedream Act to make illegals legal to get votes for the party that makes you think they care;the commiecrats.


6 posted on 12/13/2010 2:02:21 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

What else do you think Harry Reid wants to work on in this lamest of lame duck sessions? He’s got the time to do it and I’m sure he has a few slobbering big government Republicans that will go along, so why not? It’s now or never.


7 posted on 12/13/2010 2:11:23 PM PST by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Rev II moves closer. For those who need a wake up call, here is a quote from the DOI:

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


8 posted on 12/13/2010 2:14:45 PM PST by Mouton
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To: Windy City Conservative
And now the RINOs are free to help the Democrats pass DREAM, DADT Repeal, and START. Reid might even have time to dust off the House’s Cap and Trade bill, and get that passed.

Exactly so. This whole charade is nothing more than Kabuki Theater for the masses.

9 posted on 12/13/2010 2:16:40 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Red Steel

Wow! 64 to 8. Are the rest home for Christmas already? There are a ton of scardy cat Republicans out there somewhere.


10 posted on 12/13/2010 2:21:12 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

The vote has been going on for over 2 hrs. It is still open “because of the weather.” The vote count now is 79 - 10.


11 posted on 12/13/2010 2:28:34 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The GOP is apparently spending the rest of December desperately Whigging itself into oblivion. It's not even morning and they have not only already lost all respect for any November victories the Tea Party and Indie vote gave them, they are telling the other guys that the sex wasn't that good.

Mr. niteowl77

12 posted on 12/13/2010 2:32:28 PM PST by niteowl77 (I don't mind them stewing in their own juices, but I do mind them stewing me in their own juices.)
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To: Red Steel

Did DeMint vote YES.


13 posted on 12/13/2010 2:33:10 PM PST by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: Red Steel
The vote count now is 79 - 10.

Damn it, screwed, screwed and screwed again. We've been taken for a ride in the clown car for the last couple of weeks.

14 posted on 12/13/2010 2:39:39 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: Windy City Conservative
Gibbs: START's Up Next

"White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday that “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal was among “a whole host” of measures President Barack Obama believes can be accomplished before year’s end, but he put ratification of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty at the top of that list after taxes.

“Fairly soon after [tax cuts], the Senate will move to the debate on START ratification,” Gibbs said. “This is a treaty that has the votes to pass the Senate and I believe will pass the Senate before we go home for the holidays.”

The Senate was expected to take a vote Monday on the tax deal struck between the president and Republicans.

Asked where the DREAM Act and DADT repeal stood on the president’s priority list of “achievable” measures, Gibbs declined to be specific."

“There’s not a list of 1, 2, 3, 4,” he said. “There’s are a series of things I think the president believes are important and can be done this year.”

“Well, I should say this — I think it’s a distinct possibility ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ will be repealed by the end of this year, and that’s where our efforts will be,” he said."

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15 posted on 12/13/2010 2:42:47 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

SO much for no more deficit spending


16 posted on 12/13/2010 3:04:06 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: Red Steel

The GOP learned nothing from the last election


17 posted on 12/13/2010 3:05:29 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: Red Steel

In a nutshell Republicans who vote for this are voting for two years of temporary release from a tax increase in exchange for massively increasing the Federal debt even though Republicans will have the numbers after the lame duck session to pass a much more favorable tax bill that Obama probably won’t have the balls to veto and if he does will damage himself and the Democrats politically whether the economy goes further south or not.


18 posted on 12/13/2010 3:08:52 PM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: Red Steel
tactical error, it would of been MUCH better to filibuster EVERYTHING until January.
19 posted on 12/13/2010 3:17:02 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TheThinker

Clearly the rinos didn’t get the message that a continuation of the “temporary” tax “cuts” system with a looming draconian expiration date is unacceptable. Permanentizing the current rates might have had some stimulative effect. The kind of garbage they’re pulling now is going to do nothing but convince investors and lenders to stay in their bunkers, it is only the eye of the storm.


20 posted on 12/13/2010 3:20:50 PM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for the info. 79-10? Dang this is hugely bipartisan.


21 posted on 12/13/2010 3:26:05 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If they waited til January to pass a bill, would it take effect immediately? Or months down the road? Think the main issue here is not letting people’s taxes increase on their first paycheck in Jan.


22 posted on 12/13/2010 3:29:44 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Cedar

“Think the main issue here is not letting people’s taxes increase on their first paycheck in Jan.”


That, and the markets tanking because people don’t know whether the biggest tax increase in U.S. history will go into effect.


23 posted on 12/13/2010 3:33:34 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Cedar
I think stopping all the OTHER bills the democrats want to push through before Christmas brake is more important.
24 posted on 12/13/2010 3:36:24 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Hey Im an Independent voter. You are preaching to the choir.
I do fully see the game playing beyond politics within and am watching very carefully. All’s Im sayin is that with the taxes decision due rightnow or some won’t eat or pay bills; this leaves the dems some slick playin room to slide in all of their garbage. I think all but a select few need voted out of there. The GOP had best grow some and stop the crap.


25 posted on 12/13/2010 3:37:10 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I agree the Dems have taken huge advantage of the situation to throw stuff in. But GOP would have done the same thing in a reverse situation. Politics is bad for the country, no doubt.

But those voting have to weigh the balance, and looks like they mostly don't want those increases starting in January. Can't say I blame them. Difficult place to be in.

Maybe in the near future the tax rate cuts can be made permanant?

26 posted on 12/13/2010 3:45:29 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Red Steel

What we need now is a Conservative that will get up and state plainly for the American people that Obama and the Democrats had declared that these tax cuts which were effectively titled as the Bush Economic plan that these same Democrats who chided Bush and blamed these same tax cuts on causing the economic crisis and everything inbetween are nothing but, liars and cheats, who now support the same economic policies that they lied about for these many years.


27 posted on 12/13/2010 4:05:09 PM PST by Typical_Whitey ("It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you stop and think".... Thomas Sowell)
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To: Red Steel
Please help me understand the following from the US Constitution, Article One:

"Section 7

1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

How can this bill originate in the Senate?????? Please educate me.

28 posted on 12/13/2010 4:16:46 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP the Democrats' Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: cookcounty
Ok, the bill did originate in the House.


"H.R.4853
Latest Title: Middle Class Tax Relief Act of 2010
Sponsor: Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] (introduced 3/16/2010)      Cosponsors (5)
Related Bills: H.RES.1745H.R.1512H.R.3607H.R.4217H.R.4915H.R.4957H.R.5147H.R.5611
H.R.5900H.R.6190H.R.6467H.R.6473S.3187
Latest Major Action: 12/2/2010 Resolving differences -- House actions. Status: On motion that the House agree with an amendment to the Senate amendment Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 234 - 188 (Roll no. 604).
Latest Action: 12/9/2010 Motion by Senator Reid to refer to Senate Committee on Finance the House Message with instructions to report back forthwith with amendment SA 4755 made in Senate."

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR04853:|/home/LegislativeData.php|

29 posted on 12/13/2010 4:27:41 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Don't revenue and tax policy bills have to originate in the House? If so, isn't this a backassward process?
30 posted on 12/13/2010 4:47:16 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: paulcissa

Idiots. The GOP is serving us a shit sandwich and telling us how soft the bread is.


31 posted on 12/13/2010 4:51:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Red Steel

4:20 really?


32 posted on 12/13/2010 5:00:11 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: Windy City Conservative

“And now the RINOs are free to help the Democrats pass DREAM, DADT Repeal, and START. Reid might even have time to dust off the House’s Cap and Trade bill, and get that passed.”

Yep.

Mitch McConnell is no strategic thinker and he has done conservatives no favors in his negotiating.


33 posted on 12/13/2010 5:11:20 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Boardwalk

The final vote was 83 to 15 for cloture.


34 posted on 12/13/2010 5:25:38 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

It sailed through the Senate?

This bill must SUCK!


35 posted on 12/13/2010 6:46:20 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Red Steel
"Ok, the bill did originate in the House."

"H.R.4853 Latest Title: Middle Class Tax Relief Act of 2010 Sponsor: Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] (introduced 3/16/2010)

But that isn't remotely the same bill. So the Senate can take a House revenur bill , strip out all but a few sentences, add a raft of amendments that change 90% of it and still claim it originated in the House??

36 posted on 12/13/2010 6:53:28 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP the Democrats' Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Miotch has always been Soetoro’s biotch. The GOP so-called leaders in the Senate are RINO geldings.


37 posted on 12/13/2010 7:33:36 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: cookcounty

Apparently...it is an end run around the Constitution.


38 posted on 12/13/2010 7:42:45 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Bond markets did not like the package, and the ratings agencies are talking about downgrading the US if it passes. THAT is more important, in the end, than whether or not the stock market crashes.


39 posted on 12/13/2010 8:04:18 PM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Mouton

Our forefathers knew the truth but rinos do not.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


40 posted on 12/14/2010 5:20:41 AM PST by kindred (Come, Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies from Zion, the chosen nation.)
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To: Mouton
Rev II moves closer.

RAPTURE READY?

41 posted on 12/14/2010 7:10:05 AM PST by ExSoldier (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Honestly, this tax bill is a start for the Republican takeback. It’s great that they held out against the Democrats’ bill which would have increased the tax rates, and the fact that this bill makes taxes an issue for the 2012 election doesn’t help the Democrats one bit. Every one wants lower taxes, and if the Repubs show that they are willing to make these cuts permenant, they will cream the Dems in 2012, even at the presidential election level.


42 posted on 12/14/2010 7:15:14 AM PST by FutureRocketMan
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To: Boardwalk
4:20 really?

You caught that too, eh?

43 posted on 12/14/2010 9:01:08 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: PghBaldy

That’s interesting. Do you have any links to stories that cover the bond rating agencies concerns? I am just as concerned that the GOP will use this as an excuse to go ahead on the permanent weakening of the military by the DODT repeal. Every day this budget standoff lingers is positive in my opinion.


44 posted on 12/14/2010 9:01:24 AM PST by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: MSF BU

Here is a link http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2642167/posts Usually, it seems if one agency downgrades, the others do so later...


45 posted on 12/14/2010 9:41:52 PM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: The Cajun

The ride in the clown car has been ongoing, ever since the beginning of worldwide political correctness.


46 posted on 12/14/2010 9:58:05 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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