Skip to comments.Gays in military would undermine defense
Posted on 12/13/2010 2:06:02 PM PST by Red Steel
People who take polls for a living will tell you that, depending on the methodology, the sample, how a question is asked and the understanding of the ones being polled, the outcome can pretty much be predetermined.
If you are dependent on a superior for your job and that superior tells you he wants a certain conclusion reached about a policy he wishes to implement, that, too, can affect the outcome.
Such is the case with President Barack Obama, who has told gay rights groups he intends to end the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military. From the comments by Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Michael Mullen and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, it appears the president's message has placed their job security above what is best for the military and the country. Many lower-ranking officers do not share their opinion about the effects openly gay service members would have on our military.
The Pentagon poll touted by Gates and Mullen was "rigged," said a recent editorial in The Washington Times, which noted, "From the outset, the Pentagon had no interest in eliciting honest responses from the troops about whether the law should be preserved or repealed. Instead, soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines were addressed in terms of implying that repeal is inevitable."
Furthermore, said the newspaper, "63 percent of respondents live off-base or in civilian housing and consequently answered that a change in policy might not affect them. Those in combat roles where unit cohesion and trust are life-and-death concerns gave a different response."
The military is one of our primary national underpinnings. So is marriage. No wonder the gay rights movement seeks to undermine both.
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I think that's the idea, Einstein. (not you, Red).
Undermine defense? Well DUH!!! That’s the POINT, Cal!!!!
So it’s not enough that they come out of de closet they have to get outside de fence too?
Fast forward... one year from now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYW3He_1JdU&feature=related
They might undermine defense but just think what they could do with the uniforms......
The Washington Times said they would publish the below letter.
Politicians supporting repeal of Dont Ask, Dont Tell (DADT) rely for justification on a single number contrived by the Department of Defense (DOD). This military survey, which proclaimed 70% see positive or no effect for repealing DADT, replaces national defense with social alchemy as the armed forces primary mission.
DOD followed traditional practices for fabricating results. The poll was conducted after Congressional Representatives had voted for repeal of DADT. Therefore, only 29% responded by completing half or more of the questions, under the compelling logic that nobody really cared. DOD contacted equal numbers of reserve and active troops and spouses, and only 20% to 30% of those whose military specialty could place them in harms way. Also, nearly one third had never deployed. Supposedly all these responses provided valid information, even though people in base housing, civilian neighborhoods, and CONUS bureaucracies never experience firefights and IEDs.
The entire military exists to serve Marine and Army combat infantrymen. DOD accomplishes nothing of lasting significance until infantrymen walk the ground formerly held by an enemy, and well over half of those trigger-pullers oppose repeal. Only they understand the unimaginable totalitarian leadership and obedience demanded by their chaotic and brittle environments.
Here's a funny one for you all. When I was at Ft BRagg, we had this blk sp 5 that was gay. All the blks knew it but most the whites didn't. The blks were embarrassed but didn't out this guy. Most everybody lived off post, but this sp 5 had a room in the barracks. So us white guys thought this guy was ok, pretty classy, not racist, good guy. None of the blks would associate with him. So anyway, this gay sp 5 got caught down Hay St dressed up like a woman, working as a prostitute. Got to be the most embarrassing thing could happen to anybody , ha ha. Anyway, then all the whites guys steered way clear of the sp 5. I started calling all the blk guys in my company by his name, stir it up some; they got hot quick about that sorts thing h a ha.
But still, you ain't going to keep them all out. As long as they do their job and don't go out flag waving their disease; I say let them alone; feel sorry for them rather than hate them.
Don’t Look At or Touch My Junk Soldier!
I work out in a gym that has a lot of gay members. No, I'm not gay but straight and married for 20 years -it's close to work.
If people only knew how many active and reserve military folk visit that gym who are gay....like you said don't ask and don't tell.
Anyone that has ever been in the military understands totally why homos are not allowed in the services.
Butt buffers just want to prevert everything good and decent, thats all.
What would you expect from a marxist-in-chief out to destroy the United States. They don’t quite have the military under their thumb yet, thanks to the Christian paradigm.
Create a homosexual military like the SS Nazi Brownshirts and the ancient Greek and Roman pederasts and you kill Christianity and make the Bible hate speech.
You also get to kick all those who dare to think the Christian paradigm is superior to all other ideologies (which it is—that is why Marxists hate it).
That way when homosexuals harass the heterosexuals the Christians will be kicked out for being a “homophobe” and VOILA!!!! You have a military of immoral troops who are capable of killing their own citizens because they are devoid of Judeo/Christian morality—what bambi wants to do.
Homosexuality always includes pederasty and Judeo/Christian beliefs are the only culture that condemned that paradigm in the ancient and modern world. All Marxists want no sexual morality so you destroy the family loyalties and can control children. Christian morality is what made this country work and the best in the history of the world—most freedom for the most diverse.
You can not make unnatural immoral behavior legal in the military. You destroy the character and honor that HAS to exist in such a powerful entity unless you want evil like the homosexual brownshirts did to Germans.
You mean like thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI&feature=related
Who is going to want to serve? Always looking behind to see who is trying to pick you up, while trying to do your job? It sure will keep a lot of good people from wanting serve.
Your post is a good illustration why DADT should NOT be repealed.
will one or both of them sacrifice YOU and or the whole unit to save their queer sex partner???
it's as simple as that
And you're going to find a lot of present military resigning their commissions and warrants and enlisted folks deciding to not re-up.
Those of the queer persuasion may find themselves in a neat situation, i.e., satisfying their odd sexual desires and getting paid for it.
Is it not ironic that that the same was said about female soldiers serving with men? lol
What happens in a few years when the gays have been promoted into all levels of command and your superior officers take a shine to you? Who you gonna choose?
Troll Alert! You're talking about an agenda here to accept homosexuality as normal. Gay pride day in the Marines, well it's coming fool. These fudgepackeres can't be stopped. You give 'em and inch they'll shove it in a mile.
Women have no place in the military either. Jim Robinson is NOT a supporter of repealing DADT. STFU.
What happens if one of those disgusting fudgepackers happens to come into your line of fire with the enemy. You gonna stop shooting?
Takes on to know one, you thinking about switch hitting?
What does that mean?
That kind of trigger discipline is hard to find. It is a great temptation.
See my profile page...nuff said...and my wife is all I need anyway. I can barely keep up with her :) as is. 2 times per week in her late 40's.... No internet e-standards..The gym does that to her.
You have lost a credibility. This woman was awarded the Silver Star. What have you done armchair commando??
A mom receiving the flag at Arlington for her daughter who was KIA in Iraq...You need to STFU. These women have more balls than you ever will. You make conservatives look like loons
Not a lot one of ‘em told Michael G.New years ago that the UN patches were necessary because they made the Uniforms”look fabulous.”
By law, women do not serve in front line combat units.
I stick by my statement, no women in the military. You STFU.
She shouldn’t be there. Putting young women in harms way is not a conservative value. We won WWII without women in combat, it was in all of the history books.
We all knew the Pentagon was lying... In the long run, becoming known liars will work against them.
There are no front line combat units in its asymmetrical warfare. Moreover, females can serve in CSS units many of which are in direct support of and in close proximity to combat units.
Sober up so you can follow a conversation.
And I do not give a damn what Robinson's position is on any subject.
Sober up so you can follow a conversation.
And I do not give a damn what Robinson's position is on any subject.
You are the the biggest troll on FR and have been for years, why is it not surprising that you are pushing the homosexual agenda.
Isn’tit a pity that “men” want to see women do THEIR jobs.
Yes, they LOWER standards for women because they LACK the physical body upper strength to do a man’s job. Now we have “men” cheering them on. The gender blender illusion goes on.
In the old days it used to be a high insult to say,
“Your mom wears army boots.”
Yes, we’ve come a long way, haven’t we?
I also like consistency.
I don’t want males who are totallyt confused on WHO they are supposed to be attracted to in the military. I don’t care what position they are in. Gays are NOT normal. There is NOTHING normal about a male emulating a female as the “other half”. By birth a female or pretending to be a female has NO PLACE.
When you mix the genders, there is problems. Any ship that has straight males and females bunking together ... the pregnancy rate goes through the roof. DUH, I wonder why. Now they want “wifey” who is a faggot next to their queer serving together. It doesn’t work.
Keep the males and females SEPARATE.Keep females OUT of combat positions and get rid of ALL the “gays”. I don’t care if the “gay” is the “cow” or the “bull”. Throw them the hell OUT and get them HELP for their EMOTIONAL issues they act out sexually.
“But still, you ain’t going to keep them all out. As long as they do their job and don’t go out flag waving their disease; I say let them alone; feel sorry for them rather than hate them. “
So NORMAL people are supposed to endure PERVERTS?
We don’t want EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED faggots in our military. They should be REQUIRED to get professional help for their EMOTIONAL ISSUES THEY ACT OUT SEXUALLY. There is NO sane reason in the world why NORMAL people have to endure PERVERTS.
Yes, feel sorry for them but do NOT subject NORMAL people to their issues when it could be a matter of life and death. How dare you suggest we put perverts on a pedestal! HOW DARE YOU! Have RESPECT for those that are NORMAL. To NOT want to be around ABNORMAL people, doesn’t necessarily imply “hating” them. It just means they have NO PLACE in our military. It’s like wanting a serial killer in the military - we don’t want that either.
Verity: Is it not ironic that that the same was said about female soldiers serving with men? lol
If you're saying that a female/male romance could disrupt a unit, then you are wrong to suggest that it doesn't. I have an entire career in the military that says it does. In fact, there have been murders committed over the issue. You really need to deal with your area of expertise...and it isn't the military.
DADT is about preventing the service of homosexuals in the US military. The goal of the military is simple: "Win America's Wars." Anything that adds to the combat ability to do that should be added to the military and anything that detracts from our ability to win should be prevented. Combat multipliers should be encouraged. Combat detriments should be excluded.
Flat feet, fat recruits, too tall or too short, those with uncorrectable vision, those with diabetes, those with tuberculosis, and a host of other attributes or conditions are deemed combat detriments. Those people are discriminated against in their efforts to join the military. And it is right that we do so.
The same with homosexuality. It is a combat detriment, and as such, it will injure the ability to win wars. You mention on item on a long list. The "gay lovers" issue is a combat detractor that on the list of detriments regarding homosexual service. There are so many others that I'm not going to repeat the list for you.
Suffice it to say that the injury to combat operations is far greater than any benefit gained.
And remember, there is no such thing as an equal right to serve. Tell that to the guy with flat feet or the guy with diabetes. They might be the most brilliant in the world, but they can support the war effort in another capacity that is not involved in combat operations.
Finally, FR opposes the gay agenda, to include DADT. I think you make a big mistake supporting it here.
EVEN more reason to ban women from the military. It's just plain wrong. Just because the other feminized Euro-piss-on countries do doesn't mean we have to.
Excellent post, xzins.
Great post, but doesn't fagot only have one 'g' in it. Maybe one of the FR bone smoker lovers can educate us on the proper use of the word.
I think verity is a man trapped in women’s body who is a homo. HE-SHE is very confused.