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Stockholm bomber: family blame Britain for radicalisation
telegraph.co.uk ^ | Dec 13 2010 | Evans, Rayner and Bloxham

Posted on 12/13/2010 3:25:55 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper

Taimur Abdulwahab al-Abdaly showed little interest in religion as he was growing up in Sweden, channelling his energies into sport and partying.

But after he began attending Bedfordshire University in Luton “everything changed” as he became a strict Muslim with increasingly extremist views, even naming his baby son Osama in honour of the al-Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden.

On Saturday he blew himself up in a street full of Christmas shoppers in Sweden’s first suicide attack, after recording a message which promised to kill “your children, daughters, brothers and sisters”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 201012; abdaly; alabdaly; bedfordshireu; london; luton; obl; osama; stockholm; suicidebomber; sweden

1 posted on 12/13/2010 3:25:57 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Is this real? Is this Europe...


2 posted on 12/13/2010 3:28:25 PM PST by allmost
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"....The mosque did not pass on concerns about Abdulwahab to the police....

"... Abdulwahab travelled to Syria two years ago, where it is believed he was trained in explosive techniques.

If Muzlims living in Western countries travel to the Middle East, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc., they should never be allowed to return to the West, and they should be required to live out their lives in Muzlim countries.

3 posted on 12/13/2010 3:31:47 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

4 posted on 12/13/2010 3:34:37 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: La Lydia
We should deport every last one of them... islam is not compatible with America... in any way at all... and anyone saying otherwise, does not know what islam is truly about. Read the koran and read what modern islam states... and that is all that it takes to prove my contention.

LLS

5 posted on 12/13/2010 3:35:15 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

No it’s not. It is reasonable and self-preserving.


6 posted on 12/13/2010 3:36:04 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“...after recording a message which promised to kill “your children, daughters, brothers and sisters”

And the only person he managed to off was...himself. Good job, moron.


7 posted on 12/13/2010 3:36:42 PM PST by PLMerite (Fix the FR clock. It's time.)
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To: allmost

“If the United States wants seriously to eradicate terrorism, the first capital that should be pounded with cruise missiles is London,” Colonel Gaddafi said on the Arabic satellite news channel al-Jazeera.

“It is the shelter of terrorism,” he added, referring to charges that Islamic militants suspected of violence are protected by Britain’s policies on political asylum.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/555429/posts


8 posted on 12/13/2010 3:38:55 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

that’s annoying


9 posted on 12/13/2010 3:39:39 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: La Lydia

Works for me!


10 posted on 12/13/2010 3:40:00 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 691 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Shermy
“If the United States wants seriously to eradicate terrorism ...
Banning Islam globally is the only way to ever stop terrorism.
11 posted on 12/13/2010 3:42:25 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

HOW DARE EUROPEAN SOCIALIST SOCIETIES AND THEIR DOCTRINE OF ENCOURAGING THE IGNORANT TO FREELY EXPRESS ANTICHRISTIAN BIGOTRY FORCE SOME OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS TO BECOME MURDERING SUICIDAL ASSHOLES!?!?!?


12 posted on 12/13/2010 3:46:30 PM PST by Happy Rain
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To: oh8eleven

Exactly. England didn’t do it, Islam did. Apparently, this guy even got kicked out of the notorious Luton mosque in England (a radical mosque that’s under surveillance and doesn’t want to attract attention to itself).

But Islam is a violent terrorist cult and always has been, and until it is wiped off the face of the earth, it always will be.


13 posted on 12/13/2010 3:47:24 PM PST by livius
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Expel Muslims from Britain. That will eliminate the source of radicalization. It's not Britain. It's Islam.
14 posted on 12/13/2010 3:49:23 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Berlin_Freeper
If the family expects the general public to believe they really blame "Britain" for his radicalization, since “everything changed” as their became a strict Muslim in Luton,
"with increasingly extremist views, even naming his baby son Osama in honour of the al-Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden. . ."
then surely they'll identify all the imams who influenced their impressionable son. And once the imam's and mosque members who had so much influence over their gullible son, this outraged family will assist the Queen's service in prosecuting, convicting and then support the deportation of all these influential pious evil-doers. . .Right? When citizens of the UK witness Luton being cleansed of the terrorist influence with the aid of this family, then we'll begin to believe ever evasive existence of the moderate muslim. Until then, pound sand.
15 posted on 12/13/2010 3:49:48 PM PST by wtd
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To: muleskinner

That’s kind of the point...


16 posted on 12/13/2010 3:51:18 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Makes you think......how is it that these suicide bombers have gotten so amaturish since 9/11 to the point where they can barely blow up themselves let alone anything or anyone else, where 9/11 was a perfectly detailed run that was flawless in it’s execution. Sounds like they had some help?


17 posted on 12/13/2010 3:54:34 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Viking2002
The Swedes need to summon their inner Viking and go Berzerker on the Mohammedans.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

18 posted on 12/13/2010 3:56:20 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: La Lydia

I agree. Realistic pragmatism is the best approach. You must articulate your point from an intellectual perspective though, or it will get lost in the noise, and never see the light of day.

How can you articulate your point intellectually? Say this person was born in Europe. When a lib asks you the question why they should be treated any differently from a 10-100th generation european, what do you say, and how do you say it such that you show that your view comes from a heart of compassion and care about our world (which you MUST)?


19 posted on 12/13/2010 3:56:59 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Shermy
the first capital that should be pounded with cruise missiles is London

Don't give obama any ideas.

20 posted on 12/13/2010 4:01:11 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

First I would explain how I love being condescended to.


21 posted on 12/13/2010 4:06:49 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Berlin_Freeper
OH YES, THE RELIGION OF PEACE
22 posted on 12/13/2010 4:07:01 PM PST by Undocumented_capitalist (Obama&Pelosi are the killers in chief of the unborn.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I'm more inclined to blame him. And his family.
23 posted on 12/13/2010 4:08:31 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Islam is to blame. Just like the Oregon bomber who wanted to take out Christians at a tree lighting ceremony.


24 posted on 12/13/2010 4:13:03 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: ronnie raygun
"...Makes you think......how is it that these suicide bombers have gotten so amaturish since 9/11 to the point where they can barely blow up themselves let alone anything or anyone else, where 9/11 was a perfectly detailed run that was flawless in it’s execution. Sounds like they had some help?"

I think partly:

1) We've somewhat culled the herd.
2) Prior to 9/11, with the fine Gorelick 'wall' in place, wannabe terrorists could practice all they want without fear of detection. Now they tend to be a little 'rushed' in their evil endeavors.
3) The Good Lord still provides HIS protection. I can't say we merit it, but HIS protective and restraining hand is still present...

25 posted on 12/13/2010 4:34:20 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Sweden meets the Satanic cult of Islam, act one. The trinity of hate, lies and death pour forth from the heart of the beast of Islam.


26 posted on 12/13/2010 4:56:18 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: La Lydia

Condescending? Perceiving useful and genuine discussion as some kind of threat will get you nowhere. Get over it.

You, and others like you on this board, are never going to achieve anything with simple unnuanced statements of what you consider to be right.

An intellectually nuanced case can be made for what you said before. Clearly you must think so, or it would not be your opinion. That case can be stated many ways. I was trying to encourage you to state it your own way, since I have heard my version many times. I thought I might get something out of it.


27 posted on 12/13/2010 5:16:22 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

First I would explain how I love being condescended to. You are insufferable.


28 posted on 12/13/2010 5:23:57 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
insufferable.


29 posted on 12/13/2010 5:30:11 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: La Lydia

Get over yourself. The point of this board is the advancement of conservative thought, not for the same old “we should send them back” posted 15 times on these threads.

What’s insufferable is when people perceive any attempt to raise the bar as an attack.


30 posted on 12/13/2010 5:38:45 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Revolting cat!

That would be “inthufferable.”


31 posted on 12/13/2010 5:39:50 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Would you please just leave me alone and find some junior high school student who is interested in your pontifications, since that is the age level you address? You are overbearing and presumptuous. I feel sorry for your family.


32 posted on 12/13/2010 5:46:54 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: LibLieSlayer

I am with you 100%, I want to see that happen in Canada too.


33 posted on 12/13/2010 5:50:47 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: La Lydia

How nasty and uncalled for! I pray for peace for you.


34 posted on 12/13/2010 5:52:19 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

You started it, and I pray that you will stop posting to me.


35 posted on 12/13/2010 5:54:24 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Christian Engineer Mass; La Lydia

well, jumping on since I live in Europe. There should be no discrimination based on race. However, Islime is not a race, but a violent creed, just as nutzis are banned in Germany, so too should Moslems be banned in Europe as a whole. There — I don’t care if they are descended from completely Aryan Europeans or whatever, if they are follower of Mo, out they go — they can live in that paradise called SAudia.


36 posted on 12/14/2010 2:48:09 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
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To: Christian Engineer Mass; La Lydia; TexasPatriot1; Responsibility2nd; Darksheare; wyokostur
Condescending? Perceiving useful and genuine discussion as some kind of threat will get you nowhere. Get over it. You, and others like you on this board,....

Delphi written all over this one. Either Delphi, or maybe he's just a freakin' jerk. :)

La Lydia, who is also a (relative) n00b, is someone who I have come to respect, and I would stand by this poster without fail.

You, Masshole, have done little but belittle.

Get over it.

37 posted on 12/15/2010 11:48:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (Only 21 days of Democrat fascism left!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass; casuist

You wouldn’t happen to know a Gilbert V Wilkes IV from Vancouvar BC would you?


38 posted on 12/15/2010 12:15:16 PM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Taimur Abdulwahab al-Abdaly = Arabic for “Sharpton?”


39 posted on 12/15/2010 12:19:11 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Islam is not a race.
Islam is a violent socio-political cult based off of nihilism and violence towards all who do not follow it, and especially women.
And yes, I can prove the point with quotes straight from the Quran.


40 posted on 12/15/2010 12:19:19 PM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: Darksheare

I agree with all that. The “that’s racist” kid is usually, if not always, posted in sarcasm.


41 posted on 12/15/2010 1:31:54 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Darksheare

No, but I enjoy Mark Steyn. He’s Canadian, so I guess there’s a link there.


42 posted on 12/15/2010 1:33:17 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: livius

The dynamics between the more radical terror groups like Al Qaeda and the more “patient” Muslim brotherghood groups are interesting.

The Luton mosque seems to be more in the brotherhood camp. Patience. No terror. Let us conquer Europe in 50 years through immigration and birthrates.

IMHO their best and most rational strategy. Like picking a fruit when it’s ripe. But, some hotheads want to speed up the progress by violent jihad. Some times these groups seems to act in opposition... I.e. brotherhood types like Tariq Ramadan are upset at the “terrorists” because they might upset the long term plan - i.e. wake up the western people to the threat.

At other times Ramadan and other muslim brotherhood types seems to use the terrorists as a leverage in a “good cop, bad cop” manner. i.e. give in to our “reasonable” demands otherwise some hotheads we cannot control might act out...

Got to be hard for the western intel agencies to figure this all out. I hope they at least are working on it.

Cheers.


43 posted on 12/18/2010 9:37:53 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: El Cid

I think you are right.

They are increasingly forced to operate in isolated cells, forced to rely on bomb making information from internet sources etc.

Though as the saying goes. We have to be lucky every time, they have to be lucky once.


44 posted on 12/18/2010 9:40:14 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: La Lydia

I agree with your posts.

I would also add, that a better discussion would probably be had by addressing the points at hand, and ignoring perceived sleights. Sleights are hard enough to discern in real-life, let alone the internet.

I know. I insulted half of the “internetz” last week :-P

Have a nice weekend.

Cheers.


45 posted on 12/18/2010 9:43:31 AM PST by Eurotwit
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