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Teacher Suffers Miscarriage Breaking Up Classroom Brawl
www.nbcnewyork.com/ ^ | Fri, Dec 10, 2010 | KATIE HONAN

Posted on 12/13/2010 3:44:30 PM PST by B4Ranch

Students at Bronx high school pushed her to the ground

A Bronx teacher suffered a miscarriage after breaking up a fight between two students over a chair, school officials said Thursday.

Lissedia Batista, 27, was elbowed in the stomach, pushed, and fell to the floor as she tried to get in the middle of a fight between two students.

Batista was four months pregnant and was taken by ambulance to North Centeral Bronx Hospital, where she miscarried her baby.

The two students involved in the fight have been suspended.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arth; bronx; murder; public; schools
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Suspended? Why aren't they charged with murder?
1 posted on 12/13/2010 3:44:33 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

Perhaps because it was not murder?


2 posted on 12/13/2010 3:46:38 PM PST by verity
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To: B4Ranch

HOW TRAGIC.

But murder? That had to be an accident. What a horrible thing for everyone all around.


3 posted on 12/13/2010 3:47:21 PM PST by Jen Shroder
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To: B4Ranch

It’s not a teacher’s job to get in the middle of a fist fight. She should have just called security. Her bad judgement cost her. Meanwhile, the lefties will all applaud, I’m sure. One less abortion needed now.


4 posted on 12/13/2010 3:48:06 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: B4Ranch

Frickin animals.


5 posted on 12/13/2010 3:49:29 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: B4Ranch

Good thing for them we’re not in ancient Israel.


6 posted on 12/13/2010 3:50:06 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: B4Ranch

Good luck to her. A pregnant teacher willing to step into a fight - sounds like someone who cares about her students.


7 posted on 12/13/2010 3:50:33 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Jen Shroder
Involuntary manslaughter....I'm sure they'll get charged.

Let's see if these creeps have been in troubloe before. Bet they have. And if they have and were put back in the system "because" (PC) she can probably sue the district.

I'm sure she would want to leave that school and never look back. At least she's young.

8 posted on 12/13/2010 3:51:23 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: verity

When I was in school a student running in the hallway ran into a pregnant teacher who had a miscarriage.

Running in the halls was pretty severely punished for a few years after that.


9 posted on 12/13/2010 3:51:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: B4Ranch
The two students involved in the fight have been suspended.

...from the nearest lamp post?

10 posted on 12/13/2010 3:51:54 PM PST by Moltke ('Tis very strange. - Hamlet)
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To: XenaLee

Very sad for this woman who lost her unborn child. For the rest of her life, she will wonder how it happened and if her stepping in actually caused this to occur. I have known several friends who have miscarried and they mourn horribly. Prayers for this woman and her child. Just a thought.


11 posted on 12/13/2010 3:51:54 PM PST by momtothree
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To: B4Ranch
The two students involved in the fight have been suspended.

Yeah, that'll teach 'em.

12 posted on 12/13/2010 3:53:13 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: theDentist

Yeah, that’ll teach ‘em. THEY GET TO STAY HOME FROM SCHOOL.


13 posted on 12/13/2010 3:56:09 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: B4Ranch

What an awful situation. Kids are animals these days; even as young as the second grade.


14 posted on 12/13/2010 3:56:56 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: B4Ranch

Sad thing is that teachers in NYC are told by the admin and by the union NOT to break up fights. Get security to handle it and stay out of the way.


15 posted on 12/13/2010 3:57:09 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: B4Ranch
Death caused by or during the commission of any crime is capital murder.
Is fighting in school just a rules violation or an actual crime?
16 posted on 12/13/2010 3:59:05 PM PST by Happy Rain
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To: verity

If you were the person who was killed, would that have been murder?


17 posted on 12/13/2010 4:09:34 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: B4Ranch

Ex 21:22 ¶ “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges {decide.}
Ex 21:23 “But if there is {any further} injury, then you shall appoint {as a penalty} life for life,
Ex 21:24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Ex 21:25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.


18 posted on 12/13/2010 4:11:58 PM PST by lurk
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To: B4Ranch

Under the “eggshell skull” legal doctrine, both students could be charged with murder.


19 posted on 12/13/2010 4:13:00 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: B4Ranch
Payback time.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

20 posted on 12/13/2010 4:15:17 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian

Sorry but that’s just creepy and does not belong on this thread IMHO


21 posted on 12/13/2010 4:17:07 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: verity

Manslaughter. The guilty party will spend time in prison.


22 posted on 12/13/2010 4:17:38 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: B4Ranch; All

I doubt that a charge of murder would stick. Not that it shouldn’t, you understand. As we are all aware of by now, we have arrived at a point in time in this country where the aborting of an unborn child, whether by design, accident or assault, is not considered to be a big deal.


23 posted on 12/13/2010 4:23:05 PM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: verity

“Perhaps because it was not murder?”

In most states, killing a baby in the womb (outside of a voluntary abortion) is murder.


24 posted on 12/13/2010 4:23:17 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: SpaceBar

Care to explain the “eggshell skull” legal doctrine at little, please. My wife was saying because it is still legally considered a fetus even though we consider it to be a baby.


25 posted on 12/13/2010 4:26:20 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

If Teachers could carry, she could have broken it up with a .45.


26 posted on 12/13/2010 4:28:10 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Jen Shroder

Negligent manslaughter would be the appropriate charge. No premeditation, but the act caused a death.


27 posted on 12/13/2010 4:28:27 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: al baby
Sorry but that’s just creepy and does not belong on this thread IMHO

It does if you know the context of the image.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

28 posted on 12/13/2010 4:28:44 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian

“The Bride” ??


29 posted on 12/13/2010 4:31:17 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: B4Ranch

The eggshell skull rule is a legal doctrine that says the wrongdoer takes the victim in the condition he/she finds him. There is no allowance for an already weakened state of the injured party. If a defendant negligently injures someone, the defendant is responsible for all the consequences, whether they were foreseeable or not.

The rule is applied in tort and criminal cases involving a plaintiff in a vulnerable, weakened state or suffering from a medical condition. A rebuttal to the eggshell skull rule is the crumbling skull rule. This rule argues that the harm suffered by the victim was inevitable and the defendant’s acts only had a minimal effect upon the already deteriorating circumstances.


30 posted on 12/13/2010 4:31:28 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: B4Ranch
New York: Under New York statutory law, the killing of an "unborn child" after twenty-four weeks of pregnancy is homicide. N.Y. Pen. Law § 125.00 (McKinney 1998). But under a separate statutory provision, a "person" that is the victim of a homicide is statutorily defined as a "human being who has been born and is alive." N.Y. Pen. Law § 125.05 (McKinney 1998). See People v. Joseph, 130 Misc. 2d 377, 496 N.Y.S.2d 328 (County Court 1985); In re Gloria C., 124 Misc.2d 313, 476 N.Y.S.2d 991 (N.Y. Fam. Ct. 1984); People v. Vercelletto, 514 N.Y.S.2d 177 (Co. Ct. 1987).
31 posted on 12/13/2010 4:32:06 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: B4Ranch

Perhaps she should be charged w/participatory negligence and we should recommend that she should receive no pension.


32 posted on 12/13/2010 4:32:21 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Sounds like an idiot who didnt care about the of her child.


33 posted on 12/13/2010 4:32:40 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: The Comedian

Could you help a fellow freeper out ?


34 posted on 12/13/2010 4:33:05 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: Sacajaweau

Just one of many reasons why pregnant women shouldnt be in the workplace.


35 posted on 12/13/2010 4:35:28 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: al baby

It looks like it is cover art or poster art for the story “The Bride”... which was the basis for Kill Bill.

In context, not inappropriate at all.


36 posted on 12/13/2010 4:35:35 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: B4Ranch
Eggshell skull doctrine
37 posted on 12/13/2010 4:35:55 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: kabumpo

I assume you’re joking.


38 posted on 12/13/2010 4:37:21 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Theo
One of the students elbowed her in the stomach. Did he know she was pregnant? Baring the existence of a specific law which would apply, intentionality counts. If he viciously wanted to do the baby harm, that's 2nd degree murder.

Lawyers out there, correct me if I'm wrong.

39 posted on 12/13/2010 4:37:54 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I pledge to support Boehner's opponent in the 2012 Republican Primary for the 8th District of Ohio.)
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To: The Comedian

That’s a meal that is best served cold.


40 posted on 12/13/2010 4:38:17 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: XenaLee

You don’t understand a pregnancy ended without an abortion is not a good thing to the lefties.


41 posted on 12/13/2010 4:38:34 PM PST by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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To: al baby

That is a picture of a woman about to wreak revenge on a former student.


42 posted on 12/13/2010 4:39:36 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime; JenB; little jeremiah

Here is one of the more tragic reasons to homeschool.


43 posted on 12/13/2010 4:42:39 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Ramius

She is kinda hot


44 posted on 12/13/2010 4:43:40 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: davisfh

“I doubt that a charge of murder would stick. Not that it shouldn’t, you understand. As we are all aware of by now, we have arrived at a point in time in this country where the aborting of an unborn child, whether by design, accident or assault, is not considered to be a big deal.”

Surprising this is wrong. While it is, indeed, intellectually inconsistent, it’s still murder to kill an unborn baby, outside the abortion procedure.

This is also true under federal law:

Unborn Victims of Violence Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act


45 posted on 12/13/2010 4:49:13 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Not a lawyer, but Unborn Victims of Violence Act does not require knowledge of pregnancy.

I also recall Scott Peterson getting the death penatly for double homicide — mom and child. (Of course he knew, so that’s a little different.)

Anyway, plenty of room to charge these kids with murder.


46 posted on 12/13/2010 4:51:24 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: XenaLee
It's not a teacher's job...Her bad judgement cost her.

I was with you up until that point. You lost me when you made it political. Some conservatives get off base when they assume they know exactly how every liberal thinks.

We sure don't like it when liberals apply across-the-board values to all conservatives. While we may mostly agree on the best ways to govern the country, and the states, we have not been cloned.

Granted, we have reason to believe the left supports abortions BUT to infer that they will rejoice over this unfortunate miscarriage is an unwarranted leap.

47 posted on 12/13/2010 4:51:28 PM PST by IIntense
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To: Jean S

No. I am very serious. Your overriding concern must be the life of your child.


48 posted on 12/13/2010 4:56:19 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

As a general rule, you should proof read any sentence in which you call someone an idiot.


49 posted on 12/13/2010 4:56:58 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: JLS

Do you actually buy what you are selling?


50 posted on 12/13/2010 4:57:20 PM PST by DemonDeac
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