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When is twins too many?
nationalpost.com ^ | Dec. 10, 2010 | Tom Blackwell

Posted on 12/13/2010 7:49:43 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

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1 posted on 12/13/2010 7:49:44 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m speechless. A “reduction”?


2 posted on 12/13/2010 7:50:49 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Monsters. What will their child think when he/she grows up and realizes that Mom and Dad could have killed “it” if the wind had been blowing in a different direction.


3 posted on 12/13/2010 7:52:01 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The other youngin’ knows.


4 posted on 12/13/2010 7:53:17 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why not just wait until the kids are 3 or 4 years old, and eliminate the one twin who is not as smart or as pretty?

Seems that’s where the World is heading.


5 posted on 12/13/2010 7:53:33 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“All of a sudden our lives as we know them and as we like to lead them, are not going to happen.”

Selfish scum. This is “choice”.


6 posted on 12/13/2010 7:55:00 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

reduction through murder.

wow.

cold.


7 posted on 12/13/2010 7:55:57 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: ClearCase_guy
And I have to add that THIS is why many people hate Sarah Palin. They know that they are too stupid, too lazy, too heartless to raise a child in less than ideal circumstances -- and they see Sarah Palin, who made the tough choice, who is blessed with a wonderful child, who is a fine mother, and who is happy and successful, having made the choice which these barbarians were too chickensh*t to make.

Sarah committed the unforgivable crime when she loved her child. They cannot forgive and they cannot forget. It eats at them.

8 posted on 12/13/2010 7:56:09 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The Ontario couple is part of what some experts say is a growing demand for reducing twins to one, fuelled more by socio-economic imperatives than medical need, and raising vexing new ethical questions.

Perhaps "Society" would be enhanced by the "Selective Reduction" of the two "Adults" instead???

9 posted on 12/13/2010 7:56:47 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So now abortion is called reduction. This woman won’t reveal her name because she knows her behavior is despicable.

Pray for the unborn.


10 posted on 12/13/2010 7:57:15 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So now abortion is called reduction. This woman won’t reveal her name because she knows her behavior is despicable.

Pray for the unborn.


11 posted on 12/13/2010 7:57:24 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Im a twin. My sister is three minutes older, don’t bother me none I was sitting on her face for 9 months


12 posted on 12/13/2010 8:00:51 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There is no word for this kind of evil.


13 posted on 12/13/2010 8:02:26 PM PST by Lorianne (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ___ George Orwell)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

and there is such demand for adopting children!
Animals treat their offsprings better!


14 posted on 12/13/2010 8:02:47 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You are absolutely right.
They will never forgive her for having Trig. That is what underlies EVERYTHING for those who hate her.


15 posted on 12/13/2010 8:04:47 PM PST by Lorianne (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ___ George Orwell)
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To: al baby

My daughter was a twin, but I lost her brother/sister in my 3rd month of pregnancy. This was a natural “reduction”... and I will never forget how horrified I was at losing my child, but when I went to emergency they found I had another still there! Joy!


16 posted on 12/13/2010 8:05:37 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"I’m absolutely sure I did the right thing,” she said. “I had read some online forums, people were speaking of grieving, feeling a sense of loss. I didn’t feel any of that. Not that I’m a cruel, bitter person ... I just didn’t feel I would be able to care for (twins) in a way that I wanted to."
So evil, it's hard to fathom. It's all about her, her, her. Twins have a very close connection with one another, and this twin might very well know something or someone is missing. Jesus, please come soon. The world has gone almost completely mad.
17 posted on 12/13/2010 8:05:41 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As a woman who struggled with infertility for 11 years and then was blessed to adopt two beautiful daughters, this woman literally makes me want to vomit!


18 posted on 12/13/2010 8:05:56 PM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
All of a sudden our lives as we know them and as we like to lead them, are not going to happen.”

What a disgusting excuse for a human being.

19 posted on 12/13/2010 8:05:56 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: ClearCase_guy

By the time the child grows into an adult, the knowledge won’t surprise them. S/He will already realize how important they weren’t to their parents.


20 posted on 12/13/2010 8:06:43 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: ExSES

“Society” would be enhanced by the “Selective Reduction” of the two “Adults”

They’re just full grown animals.

Pin one againts the other , they’ed both fight for their life.Pure animal , no heart.


21 posted on 12/13/2010 8:09:16 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“She soon discovered another option: Doctors could “reduce” the pregnancy from twins to a singleton through a little-known procedure that eliminates selected fetuses —”
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Can somebody please cue up that little emoticon that pukes..... In think I’m going to also.


22 posted on 12/13/2010 8:09:24 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: h..........................NUTS !)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I thought MAYBE this was about ADOPTION.....but, I was wrong.....how sick!


23 posted on 12/13/2010 8:10:01 PM PST by goodnesswins (You deciding how to spend your health care $, thatÂ’s freedom. Govt deciding, thats a death panel)
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To: antceecee

sorry for your lose We were born in 60 my mom found out she was having twins 3 weeks before we were born she had a dr’s appt. one morning the dr. said you half way thur labor she drove her self to the hospital and less than an hour later we was born


24 posted on 12/13/2010 8:11:45 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: thecodont; Free ThinkerNY

My wife and I were young, but we had issues getting pregnant.

We had 1 child (after 2 years of trying) and were having trouble getting pregnant again using our original fertility doctor. He wanted to do things I wanted to avoid.

The day after the 2006 midterm elections we had our first date with the new doctor.

I will never forget this.

We had never met him before. CNN was on in the waiting room gloating about Donald Rumsfeld resigning. I was annoyed.

Then, we go in his office and he is acting like a little girl in “The Sound of Music”. “Isn’t this a great day for America? That terrorist isn’t in our government anymore.”

I muddle through the conversation trying not to react. I don’t want to “ruin our chances to get pregnant” or anything.

So they guy is Mr. Cocky Wannabe. He says “I know your issues. Here is my plan. We’ll give you enough drugs to produce 10 eggs per cycle and see what happens naturally. If nothing happens there, we’ll harvest them, fertilize them, and implant them.”

I’m not a typical pro-life profile. I’m not religious. I just think killing for convenience is wrong. The idea of creating life just to kill it really pisses me off.

I ask this doctor, “what happens if we have 5 embryos?” He says “we’ll deal with them.”

WE? Does that mean he’ll help change diapers, feed them, raise them, and pay for college?

I ask a little more diplomatically for the wife’s sake.

“We will reduce the pregnancy.”

WE? Reduce? Really?

I asked, “you mean you’ll abort the embryos?”

Wife is looking at me in a “don’t do this” way. The “Sound of Music” in the doctor’s head stops. He looks at me.

“If you won’t abort embryos you are at the wrong fertility clinic.”

Yes. I was.

And I have my second child, thank you Dr. Murder. I have to wonder how many embryos Dr. Murder killed compared to the number of people killed by our armed forces during Rumsfeld’s watch. I bet they aren’t that far off.


25 posted on 12/13/2010 8:12:15 PM PST by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Then there is me, who would have given almost anything to be able to have children, and monsters like THESE are the ones who get them..
Life is so unfair sometimes, you know?


26 posted on 12/13/2010 8:14:10 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Thank God my parents didn’t do that to me and my twin brother.


27 posted on 12/13/2010 8:14:10 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: silentreignofheroes

“The other youngin’ knows.”

That is the truth! Twins that have lost one another due to death say they always feel like part of them selves have died. Even Elvis Presley, who was a Twin! Missed his twin till his death!


28 posted on 12/13/2010 8:15:13 PM PST by Wile E Coyote Genius (IQ 206....more than all Democrats combined)
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29 posted on 12/13/2010 8:15:33 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: al baby

Your Mom was a super-MOM!


30 posted on 12/13/2010 8:15:39 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

And these are the same a holes that think clubing halibut and shooting caribous is the most horrific acts


31 posted on 12/13/2010 8:16:59 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: antceecee

I miss her dearly


32 posted on 12/13/2010 8:18:00 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I wonder how many kids, on finding out they are the surviving child of an aborted sibling, want nothing more to do with their parents. I would think it would be horrifying to know that your mother would have killed you without any conscience whatsoever, and that the only thing that saved you is timing. Or, in this case, position in the womb.


33 posted on 12/13/2010 8:20:03 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: al baby

God bless & hugs!


34 posted on 12/13/2010 8:20:41 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: laxcoach

Thank you for your story. God bless you and your family.


35 posted on 12/13/2010 8:21:25 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Free ThinkerNY; surroundedbyblue; shurwouldluv_a_smallergov; Judith Anne; rkjohn; PadreL; ...
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36 posted on 12/13/2010 8:21:25 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This strikes home in a gut-wrenching way. In my late 30’s, having had our first child barely a year old, we found out we were about to have twins. Dumb us, we thought it was a blessing!

My doctor strongly recommended against even amniocentesis because of the potential harm to one or both of the babies. So we had two beautiful bouncing baby boys to join their baby sister.

Was it easy? NO. Hell, no! But I cannot imagine having ‘reduced’ that pregnancy or not having both of these fine young men with us today. I really feel sorry for the featured couple and others whose thinking is similar to theirs.


37 posted on 12/13/2010 8:25:07 PM PST by EDINVA (5H3)
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To: Wile E Coyote Genius

Not to make light of this , when the Doc spanked me on my butt to start breathin’ , was’nt the moment I started livin’.

Ma knew me first , down here.

Did not know Elvis had a twin .


38 posted on 12/13/2010 8:25:34 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: laxcoach
I’m not a typical pro-life profile. .... I just think killing for convenience is wrong

That's all it takes, which makes you the exact pro-life profile. Be proud of it - and by the way, I like your story!

39 posted on 12/13/2010 8:25:38 PM PST by PGR88
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To: al baby

You can’t figure them (you’d go nuts) , you can only defeat them.


40 posted on 12/13/2010 8:28:53 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: antceecee

“but when I went to emergency they found I had another still there! Joy!”

That is a great story! Of course sad that you lost a child, but amazing that you still had a child.

When we went in for my wife’s first ultrasound the gal doing it paused, and then said something like “So, um. Has your doctor commented about how your pregnancy is going?” My wife told her the generic things.

“Well. Um - congratulations - you’re having twins!” Dad (me) promptly found the chair as he was fainting!

Several months later getting mom checked out 10 weeks before the due date as she had been having contractions (and had also been on bed rest for 12 weeks already).

Everything was good until I reminded the doctor “Weren’t you going to check her cervic?”

After she got her gloves back on and got my wife back in the chair “Oh. She’s at a 7.” Dad proceeded to faint again!

Funny what some folks will go through to give their unborn children the best chance at life that they can. (Oh - two girls at 3 lbs 2 oz. Doing great now at age 13!)


41 posted on 12/13/2010 8:29:21 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: al baby

Thanks dude... or dudette... whichever applies :)


42 posted on 12/13/2010 8:30:14 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: h..........................NUTS !)
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To: PGR88

“Why not just wait until the kids are 3 or 4 years old, and eliminate the one twin who is not as smart or as pretty?”

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There is a doctor or some philosophy guy or something that was/is out of Princeton that believes in this. I think it is up to the age of 18 months or 2 years.


43 posted on 12/13/2010 8:31:11 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; Lady Jag

[A “reduction”?]

Dear God, I’m speechless.
I had twin girls when my older daughter was several years old. My twins together weighed 8lbs and one had to stay in the hospital for a month.

It was hard, they were on a 4 hour feeding schedule and by the time you were finished with both, it was almost time to start over.

What would I have told one of them later in life if I HAD KILLED HER TWIN SISTER?


44 posted on 12/13/2010 8:32:41 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: EDINVA
Was it easy? NO. Hell, no! But I cannot imagine having ‘reduced’ that pregnancy or not having both of these fine young men with us today.

Children are always a gift. Sometimes we just don't see or understand the gift. But even if one wants to be cold and practical about the utility of having children - remember this when you are 80 years old, and you will thank God you have two strong, responsible 40 year old sons, to help you and to care for you in your dotage.

45 posted on 12/13/2010 8:33:21 PM PST by PGR88
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"We’re both career people. If we were going to have three children two years apart, someone else was going to be raising our kids. ... All of a sudden our lives as we know them and as we like to lead them, are not going to happen.”

Treating the news that she is carrying another son or daughter as though she was just given news that she was diagnosed with malignant, incurable cancer. What is the matter with people?

46 posted on 12/13/2010 8:35:34 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: 21twelve; PGR88

Oh. The guy’s name is Peter Singer, an “ethicist”. He was/is on an Obama heathcare board.:

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In a 1995 article in the London Spectator entitled “Killing Babies Isn’t Always Wrong,” Singer said “That day had to come,” states Singer, “when Copernicus proved that the earth is not at the center of the universe. It is ridiculous to pretend that the old ethics make sense when plainly they do not. The notion that human life is sacred just because it’s human is medieval.”

Peter Singer was appointed by Obama as part of his Health Care Team...


47 posted on 12/13/2010 8:41:04 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: 21twelve

God bless you!!


48 posted on 12/13/2010 8:42:59 PM PST by constitutiongirl ("Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."---Leo Tolstoy)
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To: mlizzy
Exactly - she thinks having children is for herself and not about the children. She didn't want three, so she just randomly selected to have one of them killed as she didn't want to bothered by it...and it didn't bother her. She's still the mother of twins, but she paid to have one of them killed. She is the mother of a dead baby, the sibling of her other children...and it didn't bother one bit to do it. What poor children the other two are that they have a mother who values her career more than them and would have been content to kill them just as she did their brother or sister if she thought they would have gotten in the way.

I just didn’t feel I would be able to care for (twins) in a way that I wanted to.

Apparently she doesn't care for them at all if she was fine with killing them without blinking an eye. How did she decide which of the twins was deserving of keeping his/her life and which one should die for her "career"?

I cannot relate to such a lack of basic decency.

49 posted on 12/13/2010 8:43:19 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Free ThinkerNY

These selfish pigs should just kill all three. They’re not fit to be raising children. What they need is a puppy.


50 posted on 12/13/2010 8:47:16 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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