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When is twins too many?
nationalpost.com ^ | Dec. 10, 2010 | Tom Blackwell

Posted on 12/13/2010 7:49:43 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

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To: Free ThinkerNY
I've heard of these "reductions" in the cases of multiples (usually 3 or more) but had no idea anyone ever did them in the case of twins. Unspeakable.

I did find the comments following the article interesting. Almost entirely negative.

51 posted on 12/13/2010 8:47:22 PM PST by susannah59
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To: 21twelve

Wonderful... you were twice blessed! My darlin’ darlin’ (as my hubbie calls her) is 25 and still a JOY to me and her Dad.


52 posted on 12/13/2010 8:48:50 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Let me go check


53 posted on 12/13/2010 8:52:29 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: thecodont

If three children were too many, how did they decide to have a second pregnancy when they already had a toddler at home? By their logic, can someone dispose of a colicky baby because its even less sleep than they expected?


54 posted on 12/13/2010 8:54:10 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: EDINVA
I cried when I found out about my twins.....It was scary territory. How could I love and care for two babies at the same time? (Pregnancy hormones always did make me a little crazy). And no, this was not how we "planned" it to be.

But never in my wildest of wild thoughts would it ever have occurred to me that any paltry life "plan" would supercede what God had in store for me. And while I couldn't imagine what I was going to do, 16 years later I can't imagine what I would have done without them.

55 posted on 12/13/2010 8:55:31 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (On Jan 1, 2011 all tax paying Americans will discover the news that they are indeed "RICH")
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To: potlatch

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You are not adhering to the Obamanese philosophy potlatch!

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56 posted on 12/13/2010 9:13:23 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0ponzi Version 9.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And to think I used to wince when a vet did this to horses...


57 posted on 12/13/2010 9:19:18 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

I can understand waiting to have kids until you have the financial resources to raise them, but then when you are finally blessed with twins..to abort one..is just murder.
My wife worked placing unwanted babies with adoptive parents...we now know many of those unwanted babies as adults and cannot imagine that the mother would have aborted them in todays world. God have mercy on our country..and our souls.


58 posted on 12/13/2010 9:22:43 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Mygirlsmom

When I found out I laughed!! One might say hysterically. The reason for the sonogram was that we’d thought I had a miscarriage .. then when tests came back, a tubal (THAT was scary) .. going for blood tests every other day ...it was just an emotional roller coaster. So I said to my long-practicing OB, why can’t I have a sonogram? He’d been practicing so long, it hadn’t occurred to him ... so off we went. And life has never been the same!

By the time my twins were 1.5 years old, we went to their oldest cousin’s wedding. A poignant reminder of how quickly they grow. So I did the at-home mom thing, soccer team mom, Brownie mom, (Dad did Cub and Boy Scouts)PTA prez .. you name it! Never missed a field trip .. and now that they are grown, I am so very grateful for every minute of it. So, we couldn’t go to Pizza Hut every Friday like all their friends, big deal. I walked them to the bus, and picked them up every day. Stuff like that you just can’t get back.

When our daughter got married a few months ago, a MAJOR honor came my way .. she wanted BOTH parents to walk her down the aisle. The bridal party was her 2 brothers. She has plenty of girlfriends, but when it came down to it, her closest friends are those 2 brothers. Someone tell me what that’s worth!


59 posted on 12/13/2010 9:27:53 PM PST by EDINVA (5H3)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
She soon discovered another option: Doctors could “reduce” the pregnancy from twins to a singleton through a little-known procedure that eliminates selected fetuses — and has become increasingly common in the past two decades amid a boom in the number of multiple pregnancies.

Somehow that is more palatable than if they had selectively decided to kill their one year old.

So, they make a decision based on emotional attachment rather than moral responsibility. Watch out lady... Your husband might someday be feeling less than emotionally attached to you.

60 posted on 12/13/2010 9:38:14 PM PST by Barnacle (God help us.)
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To: antceecee

Same thing happened to me as well with our second son. I was so happy to still be pregnant with one as well. Every once in awhile I think about the one we lost and wonder what he or she would have been like. We always wanted three or four kids - I guess this was God’s way of telling us it was going to be three.


61 posted on 12/13/2010 10:03:32 PM PST by MissH
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To: MissH

I thank God for blessing us with our one daughter.


62 posted on 12/13/2010 10:06:31 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-antiabortion-pill-kills-mother-leaves-fetus-al,1955/


63 posted on 12/13/2010 10:16:51 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: republicanbred
"As a woman who struggled with infertility for 11 years and then was blessed to adopt two beautiful daughters, this woman literally makes me want to vomit!"

We lost 5 babies to miscarriage before we were blessed with our two sons. During those heartbreaking years, it was especially difficult to see 'mothers' aborting, abandoning or neglecting their children. Our sons are teenagers now, and increasingly independent. They are a source of great pride and joy.

The years of caring for wee ones fly by quickly. I wonder how many of these parents who choose 'reduction' will have a different perspective once their surviving children are older and the daily burdens of care are lighter. They will have denied their children, themselves and their entire families the joy of knowing these missing family members. It's a terrible loss.

64 posted on 12/13/2010 10:18:44 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: Free ThinkerNY

These people are #ing Nazi savages!

Thankfully one survived to haunt those bastards for the rest of their obscene lives.

At what age do they tell the surviving child the twin was killed off for convenience.

Oh Dear God, help us.


65 posted on 12/13/2010 10:24:07 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: wagglebee

ping


66 posted on 12/13/2010 10:25:41 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My twin brother didn’t survive long after birth. No one ever said a word about it to me because it upset my Mom so - until about the time when I was in 8th grade when I mentioned I dreamed about this boy all the time. The look on my Dad’s face told me something, he asked me a few questions about my dreams and then told me the story. Do you know he grew up in my dreams as I grew up. I can tell you exactly what he looks like. I wonder if the twin they keep will always miss his brother/sister?


67 posted on 12/13/2010 10:30:32 PM PST by Roses0508
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To: freedomfiter2
These selfish pigs should just kill all three. They’re not fit to be raising children. What they need is a puppy.

As callous, cold, and calculating as such as these are, I wouldn't entrust them with a puppy, either...

the infowarrior

68 posted on 12/13/2010 10:32:31 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: potlatch

It’s sad, but selective abortion has been going on for a very long time. I hope that there will come a time when docs won’t recommend it.


69 posted on 12/14/2010 12:02:27 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: potlatch
I had twin girls when my older daughter was several years old. My twins together weighed 8lbs and one had to stay in the hospital for a month.

Your comments ring true with my (our) Mom.

My brother and I presented our family with children # 4 & 5. Three older sisters super excited about their new brothers. That was 65+ years ago.

Don and I were under-weight, I came home first and Don 3 weeks later.

Over the years, I always had more body weight but now we seem to balance the scales.

Nowadays, don't believe a word Don says when he claims to be the better looking one... it's always been me. 8^)

70 posted on 12/14/2010 12:31:52 AM PST by Diver Dave
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To: Lorianne

>>There is no word for this kind of evil.<<

I see no difference between this despicable POS and a Mohammedan “mother” who sends her child off to blow himself up. Neither has any concept of what it means to be human.

“Hey, hey, whatcha say;
How many babies you kill today?”


71 posted on 12/14/2010 1:42:50 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

These successful professionals are actually godless robotic morons. Just from a purely selfish point of view (forget the fetus) they are setting themselves up for a lifetime of regret, recrimination and retribution. You don’t kill this gift from God...especially at age 40. I can see a poor stupid 16 year old or 20 year old being somewhat forgiven for doing this but not at age 40. Talk about accumulating sin and bad karma.

They seem to have enough money so what’s the problem? Must be the wife’s doing. She could handle the phony corporate world but can’t handle three real live living babies


72 posted on 12/14/2010 1:57:36 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw
"I can see a poor stupid 16 year old or 20 year old being somewhat forgiven for doing this but not at age 40."

I too can see the decision process being different at these ages. The 16 or 20 year old might well feel overwhelmed by the logistical and financial responsibilities. At 40, personal comfort and established lifestyle probably play a bigger role. A loving extended family and community could go a long way toward helping a young parent or couple cope with these challenges. The older parents may be tougher to dissuade from this path, being more set in their ways and steeped in this self-absorbed culture.

73 posted on 12/14/2010 3:10:05 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Pure Evil is all I can say. Someday these selfish bastards are going to pay. (Yep I spelled out that word exactly as written because it needs to be said....ban away if you must but this is HONEST).


74 posted on 12/14/2010 4:53:11 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: EDINVA

Beautiful story. Thank God for you on Earth and Free Republic!!!!


75 posted on 12/14/2010 5:13:17 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Free ThinkerNY

These people repulse me to the very core!

“Were career people” You know what, why did you even have children in the first place?

Pigs like this should not have children, ever. Selfish pigs!

I am so angry I could vomit!

How could they be so cold blooded? Just what are they going to say to the other twin. “your sibling was inconvenient to us”. May both of the parents rot in the furnace for being so heinous!

God help us, really!


76 posted on 12/14/2010 6:57:42 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Free ThinkerNY
All of a sudden our lives as we know them and as we like to lead them, are not going to happen.

Welcome to parenthood. Live, learn, adjust.

77 posted on 12/14/2010 7:04:44 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al baby
We live in a society that has humanized animals and dehumanized people. The world is indeed upside down.
78 posted on 12/14/2010 7:07:42 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: antceecee

Thanks, you too


79 posted on 12/14/2010 7:09:59 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

After seeing the special and unfathomable bond my twins have, I find this idea absolutely and utterly repulsive, even beyond the typical murdering children for personal convenience angle. Because in this case, the survivor’s life is lessened too.


80 posted on 12/14/2010 7:14:05 AM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: mlizzy
"I’m absolutely sure I did the right thing,” she said. “I had read some online forums, people were speaking of grieving, feeling a sense of loss. I didn’t feel any of that. Not that I’m a cruel, bitter person ... "

No, just selfish.

Actually, what she did was pretty cruel, IMO.

81 posted on 12/14/2010 7:16:05 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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Pro-life bump!


82 posted on 12/14/2010 7:22:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As a mother of twins, (B/G) this is beyond words.


83 posted on 12/14/2010 7:25:55 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (I will not be silenced. Winners do not compromise!)
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To: tiredoflaundry

I knew of a woman who was implanted with three IVF embryos. She became pregnant with all three, and one split. After a reduction of two, she gave birth to two nonidentical twins. Therefore, she either eliminated the identical twins, or that of one of her fraternal twins.

Mind boggling ...


84 posted on 12/14/2010 7:35:11 AM PST by maggief
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85 posted on 12/14/2010 7:36:23 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: thecodont
"Reduction"?

No.

Cold-blooded, premeditated murder of the most innocent.

"Murder most foul, as in the best it is;
But this most foul, strange and unnatural."

86 posted on 12/14/2010 7:42:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
And I have to add that THIS is why many people hate Sarah Palin.

Every time they see Sarah Palin with Trig, their blood runs cold ... they know they did what she did not:

They murdered their own children.

87 posted on 12/14/2010 7:46:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“We’re both career people. ...someone else was going to be raising our kids.

I have a sneaking suspicion someone else is already raising their children, daycare, public/private school, babysitters.
How selfish!


88 posted on 12/14/2010 7:47:59 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: wagglebee
It came as a complete shock,” said the mother, who asked not to be named. “We’re both career people. If we were going to have three children two years apart, someone else was going to be raising our kids. ... All of a sudden our lives as we know them and as we like to lead them, are not going to happen.”

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I don't know how anyone can read this and not be absolutely stunned at how selfish and callous this woman is.

89 posted on 12/14/2010 7:50:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: thecodont

Reduction abortions are the consequence of a society that approves of “fertility doctors”. The procedures used commonly produce multiple embryos. Most people in our society don’t believe embryos are people therefore some will be killed.


90 posted on 12/14/2010 8:01:14 AM PST by Varda
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To: Free ThinkerNY

More selfish, self-absorbed people I’ve never heard of.

This is sickening beyond words.


91 posted on 12/14/2010 8:07:41 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Cold blooded and cruel. Any abortion is, but picking out one twin to kill seems to even add a level of twisted morality. The two remaining kids, especially the surviving twin, can’t help but have a chill run down their spine when they’re older and hear about it.


92 posted on 12/14/2010 8:10:58 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: maggief

sad sad sad


93 posted on 12/14/2010 8:16:21 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (I will not be silenced. Winners do not compromise!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Experts question whether parents should choose to terminate a fetus just because of the impact the child would have on their lives, and note that even more medically necessary reductions can trigger lifelong angst and even threaten marriages.

And, um, ruin your daughter's twin sister's day.

94 posted on 12/14/2010 8:19:01 AM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: PGR88
My opinion is that this kind of moral obtuseness, more than actual actively chosen evil, is what leads to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, and dare I say it? Hitler.

The conscience gets dulled by small compromises with evil, (not that this is a small one), and becomes more accepting of greater and greater ones.

95 posted on 12/14/2010 8:32:51 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: freedomfiter2

I wouldn’t wish this couple on a dog.


96 posted on 12/14/2010 8:40:23 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: wagglebee

Can you imagine the “survivors “ guilt the remaining twin will have if they ever learn of this?

Many years ago I knew a woman that found out she was pregnant with children 5 & 6 . All her children were close in age.. she pled with her doctor to do something. He gave her a medicine that would cause an abortion of the pregnancy .

She took it and thought she had “lost” the babies.. a month later she found out only one of the babies had been murdered. She carried the survivor to term .

I could not help but wonder every time she looked at her child..did she think of the one she killed??

I pray that guilt follow this couple the rest of their lives ...


97 posted on 12/14/2010 9:21:51 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7
Twins have an intuitive connection toward their twin that is amazing. They "know" that there is supposed to be another twin.

Several years ago, my brother's sister-in-law was pregnant with twins and one of the babies died around six months of pregnancy. To reduce the risk to the live baby they didn't do any surgery, so there was one stillborn and one life birth.

When the little boy was around four years old they told him about his dead twin brother, he had ALWAYS known that there was a missing brother.

98 posted on 12/14/2010 9:26:44 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Doctors could “reduce” the pregnancy from twins to a singleton through a little-known procedure that eliminates selected fetuses

How disturbing and reprehensible.

I can just imagine how the surviving twin will think when told years later. It will be shocking and affect how that person sees everything knowing they could have been the one aborted and the unique twin connection will haunt them mentally IMHO.

99 posted on 12/14/2010 9:50:23 AM PST by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I am literally in tears.


100 posted on 12/14/2010 9:59:01 AM PST by TankerKC (Part of the Soros funded Blog Police.)
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