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Answering Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders: ‘When is Enough, Enough?’
Somewhat Reasonable blog (The Heartland Institute) ^ | December 13, 2010 | Jim Lakely

Posted on 12/13/2010 8:10:46 PM PST by seamus

Bruce McQuain — a blogger at the libertarian site Q&O and a good friend of The Heartland Institute — offers his take on the filibuster of the extension of the Bush-era tax rates by self-proclaimed socialist, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (I) of Vermont. Though Sanders spoke for many hours non-stop — and he deserves credit, at least, for trying to conduct a "real" filibuster, as opposed to the phony ones we get today — his day-long political theater can be boiled down to the 2-minute found here.

To quote Sanders again, he says “the rich” are “crybabies” who are “making out like bandits” under the current tax rates. Sanders likens the status quo as raw “greed” that is “a sickness,” and adds it’s “like an addicition … [to] heroin.” Getting philosophical, Sanders laments that “there is something more important in life than the richest people in life becoming richer,” and he hopes that maybe “the rich” will “understand they are Americans” in a country in trouble.

Gotta hand it to you, Bernie. You got me thinking. Is America really a country in trouble because since 2003, those who pay at the top marginal rate ("the rich," defined as a small business owner, or a married couple, making jointly just under $374,000 a year) forfeit only 35 percent of their income to the federal treasury since 2003 — as opposed to the 39.6 percent rate in the Clinton years? And is there "something more important in life" than forking over more and more of the fruits of your labor to government?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: berniesanders; obama; socialism; taxrates

1 posted on 12/13/2010 8:10:49 PM PST by seamus
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To: seamus

A liberal looks at success and asks when is enough enough. A conservative looks at taxes and asks when is enough enough.


2 posted on 12/13/2010 8:16:42 PM PST by festusbanjo (The Tea Party is what the Republicans used to be, the Democrats are what the Soviets used to be.)
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To: seamus
Rich people are successful middle class people. The anti rich should be made to explain why they want to punish the success of those they claim to champion.

3 posted on 12/13/2010 8:18:45 PM PST by I see my hands (How's that ballot box working out for you?)
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To: seamus

Taxes on income aren’t taxes on the wealthy. They’re taxes on people who WORK. The wealthy aren’t touched by these.

Sick of this LIE told again and again and again by socialist and other leftscum politicians!


4 posted on 12/13/2010 8:23:09 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: seamus

Sanders is obsessed with confiscating assests from productive people.


5 posted on 12/13/2010 8:26:42 PM PST by Brasil ( Redistribution is not prosperity.)
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To: piytar

that is correct. capital gains and dividends are the bulk of what the very wealthy are taxed on and the rates are much lower than for the ordinary income tax. That is how Warren Buffett pays a smaller percentage of his income than many of his employees (in all fairness, Buffett is publicly against this).


6 posted on 12/13/2010 8:34:28 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Brasil
Sanders is obsessed with confiscating assests from productive people.

Proverbs 11:24 - Some distribute their own goods, and grow richer: others take away what is not their own, and are always in want.

7 posted on 12/13/2010 8:35:41 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: festusbanjo
Great responses by everyone. As I wrote in my blog post (more or less): Do the Dems really think this class-warfare stuff resonates with hard-working people? It doesn't with this one.

Alas, the myth of the "robber barons" is hard to break. I'm from Pittsburgh, where "robber baron" Andrew Carnegie made his fortune. Did he become one of the wealthiest men in history? Yes. Was that a given that he'd be one when he poured every last dollar he had (plus borrowing a ton) to invent the mass production of steel? No. But to do that, Carnegie had to have money to pursue his dream in the first place.

Carnegie didn't just create some jobs at his steel plants by investing his own capital, he created countless jobs around the world. He created whole industries. And he rightly became rich. And he donated almost all his fortune to others, enriching millions with (more than cash) libraries, culture and inspired more entrepreneurship.

The Bernie Sanders and Barack Obamas of the world would smother such dynamism in its crib. Socialists will never get it.

8 posted on 12/13/2010 8:41:10 PM PST by seamus
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To: frogjerk
Proverbs 11:24 - Some distribute their own goods, and grow richer: others take away what is not their own, and are always in want.

Well said (or ... er ... quoted).

9 posted on 12/13/2010 8:42:25 PM PST by seamus
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To: Brasil
Sanders is obsessed with confiscating assests from productive people.

They all are. That's the whole point of socialism, its entire purpose.

10 posted on 12/13/2010 8:50:52 PM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline
That's the whole point of socialism, its entire purpose.

Right on with that one. What's scary is that Bernie is hardly an outlier among the current Dem leadership in Washington.

11 posted on 12/13/2010 8:52:59 PM PST by seamus
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To: seamus

Great points made in your post #8.


12 posted on 12/13/2010 8:57:20 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: seamus

When “is enough enough”? When I say it is, not the government!!! That is what this country is all about!!!


13 posted on 12/13/2010 9:05:38 PM PST by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: seamus

The “Democrats” now remaining in Congress are straight up marxists and members of the marxist “Congressional Progressive Caucus”

The right needs to institute a policy of ZERO TOLERANCE FOR MARXISTS IN CONGRESS.

CPC members need to be hunted down like the degenerate communist animals they are and jailed for subversion and grand theft.

Letting these people walk around as if they are ordinary Americans is a serious mistake, they are robbing the productive class via the legislative process.

They want to steal more of our money, let them do it the old fashioned way, at gunpoint.


14 posted on 12/13/2010 9:10:21 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: seamus

Libs are always moving the goalposts towards total statism.


15 posted on 12/13/2010 9:12:26 PM PST by P.O.E. (Compact Theory)
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To: luvbach1
Thanks, luvbach1. I suspect that this kind of gutter class-warfare stuff only works with union drones and the ignorant.

Seriously, I believe it is un-American (there ... I said it!) to covet the wealth of another. The pursuit of wealth and property is what our founders meant by "happiness" (more or less). And, certainly, our founders did not consider the confiscation of the labor of others to be patriotic.

Hell. That's a big part of what they fomented a revolution to oppose. If a man's labor, or that of his family, is to be confiscated by the arbitrary sense of "fairness" by the likes of Sanders and Obama ...

Well ... let's just say that the founders would have strongly opposed Marxist theory in the late 1700s if it was invented by then.

16 posted on 12/13/2010 9:16:43 PM PST by seamus
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To: seamus

This debate shows the complete HYPOCRISY of the left. Their LUST and GREED for POWER/CONTROL over the everyday lives of citizens and commerce eclipses the alledged greed that liberals accuse the “rich” of having. Liberals are jealous that they do not control everything. The left’s GREED for power is their hypocrisy in this debate.


17 posted on 12/13/2010 9:17:45 PM PST by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: TMA62

Well said, TMA62


18 posted on 12/13/2010 9:22:05 PM PST by seamus
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To: piytar
"Taxes on income aren’t taxes on the wealthy. They’re taxes on people who WORK. The wealthy aren’t touched by these."

You hit the nail on the head with this one. This is the fundamental change in the last 100 years. 100 years ago, the wealthy were wealthy through inheritance. The upper middle class were basically the sons of those with an inheritance, who could afford to become Ivy League educated doctors and lawyers.

Today, in a case of class warfare run amok, we have redefined the growing upper middle class as "the rich". Work an 80-hour a week job in sales so the wife can stay home with the kids? You're "the rich". Bust your ass in med school to earn big bucks, but after malpractice insurance and hundreds of thousands in student loans, are you living like a CPA, not a MD? You're "the rich". Spend five years as a county prosecutor, get your shot with a law firm, only to find out you need to book 60 billable hours a week for the next five years to make partner? You're "the rich". Have two good middle class incomes, but at the cost of nannies and daycare? You're "the rich". Graduate cum laude in engineering, but spend 4 nights a week away from home as a consultant? You're "the rich".

19 posted on 12/13/2010 9:27:55 PM PST by magellan
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To: seamus
But should we be surprised by such rhetoric from a socialist?...Nope - as Dr. Kengor explained on C-Span over the weekend while discussing his book "Dupes", the basic aim of Communism, Socialism's big brother, is the abolition of private property - how better to accomplish that than to tax away people's wealth, no matter how meager.....
20 posted on 12/13/2010 9:33:24 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Do you have a link to that spot on C-Span, Intolerant in NJ? Paul was a friend of mine from college (Pitt). I’d like to see it.


21 posted on 12/13/2010 9:48:52 PM PST by seamus
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To: magellan

You nail it on the head, too, magellan.


22 posted on 12/13/2010 9:50:16 PM PST by seamus
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To: seamus

Did he call his buddies Gates, Bono, Soros and Peter Lewis to ask the same question?

No.


23 posted on 12/13/2010 9:57:46 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Rome2000

Every day I read your posts and think, wow, this guy has the exact same thoughts I do.

I think people like Holder, Obama, Napolitano, Sanders, Schumer and all the Czars should face treason trials. The Left went batsh*t over trying Bush and Cheney for “war crimes” which were clearly unfounded and looney.

Liberal trials and jail
Deport 100% of illegals
Cut government by 50%
Close 50% of all military bases overseas
Upgrade the military arsenal (planes, tanks, nukes)
End the Fed
No habeas corpus for death row, execute upon 1st failed appeal
End all public sector unions
Flat tax at 20%
End the the NEA, EPA, DHS, BLM and EEOC
Drill in every nook and cranny in the US
Open Yucca Mountain
Stop importation of radical Muslims
End all Global Warming reasearch
End AA

I’m done.


24 posted on 12/13/2010 10:05:01 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd
Currently there are no consequences for proposing and passing unconstitutional legislation legislation, and belonging to or sympathizing with marxist organizations such as the CPUSA, DSA, or the CPC.

These red sons of bitches make the taliban look like pikers in terms of the threat posed to the existence of the Republic, and they need to be fought using the same methods raghead terrorists are.

25 posted on 12/13/2010 10:18:04 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: seamus

the definition of rich to liberals is a person who has one more dollar than they do


26 posted on 12/14/2010 3:19:54 AM PST by screaming eagle2 (no matter what you call it,a pre-owned vehicle,IS STILL A USED CAR!)
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To: seamus

I would personally like to thank the one Con-gress man, who is brave enough to accurately describe himself, for writing all future ads for the Republican candidate with balls to run them.

If I were running as a Tea Party Candidate, I would run Bernie’s words in every ad produced.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 3:38:05 AM PST by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Rome2000

Concur. We need to organize regionally.


28 posted on 12/14/2010 9:41:22 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: seamus
Sure - Try here - it was a most interesting presentation and I missed about the first fifteen minutes - may watch the whole thing later myself.....
29 posted on 12/14/2010 9:23:39 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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