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Huge Senate majority votes to advance $858B tax package ( 5 R's Vote NO)
The Hill ^ | 12/13/10 07:10 PM ET | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 12/13/2010 11:40:41 PM PST by onyx

_resident Obama's $858 billion tax package won a huge bipartisan majority in the Senate Monday evening, setting it up for a contentious debate in the House.

In a 83-15 vote, the Senate quashed a filibuster by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Va.).

Fifteen lawmakers voted against it, including five Republicans: Sens. Tom Coburn (Okla.), Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jeff Sessions (Ala.), John Ensign (Nev.) and George Voinovich (Ohio).

Nine Democrats and one independent voted against the bill: Sens. Jeff Bingaman (N.M.), Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Russ Feingold (Wis.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Kay Hagan (N.C.), Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Pat Leahy (Vt.), Carl Levin (Mich.), Mark Udall (Colo.) and Sanders.

“It makes no sense to me to provide huge tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires while we drive up the national debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay," Sanders said in a statement after the vote.

~snips~

A vote on final passage could happen as soon as Tuesday if opponents agree to waive the 30 hours that must elapse after a vote to end a filibuster.

Given Monday’s lopsided vote, the package is expected to win final passage easily, which one Democratic leadership aide predicted would “likely” happen on Wednesday.

Obama said he understands members of both parties are "unhappy" with the compromise, but he said the package is "first and foremost" a "substantial victory" for middle-class families.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and some taxpayers’ advocacy groups ripped some of the energy provisions. McCain called the ethanol provision the “Hawkeye Handout” because senators from corn states such as Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) supported the provision.

The ethanol tax credit would cost about $6 billion in 2011. Taxpayers for Common Sense noted the Government Accountability Office found the credit duplicative of the current renewable fuels standard.

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THEN VOTE "no" CORRUPT BASTARD!

1 posted on 12/13/2010 11:40:44 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

The stupid party just got rolled by Obama.


2 posted on 12/13/2010 11:44:47 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: onyx

Thoroughly disappointing.


3 posted on 12/13/2010 11:48:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Corrupt, deaf and stupid. What the heck do they think November was all about?

Senators

Tom Coburn (Okla.)
Jim DeMint (S.C.)
Jeff Sessions (Ala.)
John Ensign (Nev)

And the retiring Voinovich.

The others have no excuse for voting FOR this Christmas Tree. The new Congress was ready to take it on righteously.


4 posted on 12/13/2010 11:51:16 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Gene Eric

Disappointing doesn’t begin to describe my furor!
Idiots. They are on probation and they’re failing.


5 posted on 12/13/2010 11:52:47 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The stupid party just got rolled by Obama.

Yet again, they cleverly negotiated to get both bad press and a bad deal!

Mmm..Pork, Pork, Pork!

6 posted on 12/13/2010 11:53:04 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: onyx
I love how the media keeps calling this "the deal" and "the compromise" as if its the same thing they were talking about last week.

This is a NEW DEAL. A pork ridden stimulus bill with 70+ additions from what was originally already a bad deal to temporarily extend existing tax rates in exchange for a 13 month extension of the max 99 weeks unemployment and an increase in the death tax.

7 posted on 12/13/2010 11:56:27 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be ustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: icwhatudo; LibLieSlayer

ETHANOL and everyone can see the price of cereal going up!

What is the main ingredient? Would it be “corn”?

These people are corrupt, deaf and stupid.

Lib Lie Slayer predicted this thing would be 8000 paghes (give or take 1000) and he’s going to be proved right.

13 *additional* months of unemployment bennies is unconscionable! Call it welfare for the able!


8 posted on 12/14/2010 12:01:40 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Only 5 Republicans voted NO

Sens. Tom Coburn (Okla.)
Jim DeMint (S.C.)
Jeff Sessions (Ala.)
John Ensign (Nev.)
George Voinovich (Ohio)

KUDOS to you guys... Others shafted us


9 posted on 12/14/2010 12:05:54 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Java4Jay

Yep, they’re weenies. They folded a Royal Flush.


10 posted on 12/14/2010 12:10:16 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Jim DeMint is now my ‘PARTY LEADER’

We don’t forget !

We will act !


11 posted on 12/14/2010 12:10:45 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: onyx

Oh, great. More stimulus. Crap on a stick!

Making notes, and taking names...

Good post, onyx. Thank you!


12 posted on 12/14/2010 12:11:47 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: onyx
This country has had it.

America in a death spiral.

13 posted on 12/14/2010 12:16:31 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: Java4Jay

He needs to challenge McConnell. No more of this “deal making.”


14 posted on 12/14/2010 12:18:39 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: dixiechick2000
Isn't this awful! Outrageous and depressing.
15 posted on 12/14/2010 12:19:39 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx
It's funny to see Voinovich's name listed with those others.
Voinovich voted against the bill because he thinks everybody's taxes should go up, lmao!
16 posted on 12/14/2010 12:21:26 AM PST by Lancey Howard (Pray for 3/5.)
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To: onyx; All
A vote on final passage could happen as soon as Tuesday if opponents agree to waive the 30 hours that must elapse after a vote to end a filibuster.

Please EVERYONE call and email DeMint, Ensign, Sessions and Voinovich and ask them NOT to waive the 30 hrs. If they refuse it will push the vote to Wednesday and push the DREAM Act vote to next week--if at all. We MUST run out the clock on the DREAM amnesty disaster! Forget the tax cuts, or START or DADT. the DREAM scam would push this nation over the cliff.

17 posted on 12/14/2010 12:22:30 AM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: onyx; Java4Jay
Voinovich voted against the bill because he thinks everybody's taxes should go up!
I can't give kudos to that simpleton.

FRegards,
LH

18 posted on 12/14/2010 12:25:07 AM PST by Lancey Howard (Pray for 3/5.)
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To: Cobra64
U.S. Debt Clock

It never slows down... tick tock.

19 posted on 12/14/2010 12:26:27 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

I’m not going to let it depress me. I plan on getting even. lol


20 posted on 12/14/2010 12:27:08 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Lancey Howard

LOL. I know. He’s with Bernie Sanders and the *other* Marxist democrats.


21 posted on 12/14/2010 12:27:51 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Can’t understand this mass exodus of conservative values.

What is it going to take for us to overtake this betrayal,

Revolution ?


22 posted on 12/14/2010 12:29:22 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Lancey Howard

“I can’t give kudos to that simpleton.”

I wouldn’t give kudos either. But I hope that there are enough of them in the House to keep this thing from passing. Let it be the first order of business next year.


23 posted on 12/14/2010 12:29:32 AM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: dixiechick2000

ROFL. Rob China or strike gold!


24 posted on 12/14/2010 12:30:14 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Both? lol


25 posted on 12/14/2010 12:32:56 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: onyx
This takes the wind out of the old Cajun's sails.
They have no fear of us at all.
26 posted on 12/14/2010 12:34:02 AM PST by The Cajun
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To: Java4Jay; Jim Robinson
Well, like Jim says, "a rebellion is brewing." The Republicans are on probabtion, but these lameducks and corrupt incumbents just couldn't wait for the new TEA Party Senators. Oh no, they were only too happy to make a deal and by folding their Royal Flush, to the Marxist's pair of Jacks.

Never forget, incumbent fossils love the pork too, and they really don't know how to lead or fight. They're too used to rolling over and reaching across the aisle to their long time friends.

27 posted on 12/14/2010 12:40:02 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: dixiechick2000

I’m IN!


28 posted on 12/14/2010 12:40:32 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Yippeee!

We’ll git ‘r done!


29 posted on 12/14/2010 12:42:16 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: onyx

IMO, to get out of this financial mess, taxes should increase on higher wage earners.

But change the rules so they have to reinvest to get a discount.

Most important is the spending, ‘Corruption has run amuck’.


30 posted on 12/14/2010 12:46:15 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: The Cajun

They immune! Look at the votes of the ones who just won reelection! Murky, McCain, Grassley (from ETANOL Iowa)... to name three.

Remember all that high-minded talk from Evan Bayh about how the democrat party had left him for all their spending etc?

Well, his name is not on the list of NO votes! He’s on board with this porkulus/spending bill.

Nope, they couldn’t wait for Marco Rubio, Ron Johnson of WI, or Rand Paul of KY. I know I’m overlooking a couple of others, but it’s late and my mind is shutting down.


31 posted on 12/14/2010 12:47:49 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

“Inheritance Tax is Thievery”


32 posted on 12/14/2010 12:51:29 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: onyx
but it’s late and my mind is shutting down.

Yeah, about ready to shut it down myself. Got to get some rest for whatever shafting they are preparing for us tomorrow ;^(

33 posted on 12/14/2010 12:52:29 AM PST by The Cajun
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To: Java4Jay
IMO, to get out of this financial mess, taxes should increase on higher wage earners.

No, no, no.

Anything *progressive* by the government is always confiscation.

The problem is spending.

We are already taxed in excess.

The government has no right to "progressively tax" success and it certainly has no right to the accumulated wealth of the deceased.

Give it more thought. Too many people pay NO taxes at all. If we're going to pay taxes, then everyone ought to have to pay.

34 posted on 12/14/2010 12:57:32 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

“Inheritance Tax is Thievery”

This alone should be enough for a NO vote


35 posted on 12/14/2010 12:57:57 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: The Cajun

I hear ya! Red Eye is almost over, so Good Night!
See you tomorrow. I hope this vote doesn’t take place until Wednesday so I can make some calls tomorrow.
(More efforts in futility).


36 posted on 12/14/2010 1:00:27 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Java4Jay

Robbing the dead and lots of families have to sell family businesses and farms to pay the inheritance tax. Outrageous and completely wrong!


37 posted on 12/14/2010 1:02:13 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

The higher earners use more of the system and its resources to gain income.

But John Doe eats his oatmeal and walks to work but pays a higher percentage in taxes compared to higher earners with all their exemptions.

This is not fair.


38 posted on 12/14/2010 1:08:05 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Java4Jay; All

“But change the rules so they have to reinvest to get a discount.”

One idea I had was to allow people to NOT pay taxes on up to $10,000 of Dividends (for stock held one year or more) and Interest on page 1 of the IRS 1040 Form. This would be especially helpful for people trying to develop a retirement income. It would also encourage long range investment in business. As a compromise the tax on incomes above $1 million would be allowed to revert to the 3.5% higher taxation level.


39 posted on 12/14/2010 1:19:17 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: onyx

You want a simplified tax package?

Here’s one, and it’s more realistic than anything seen in congress:

“Everything you have or will ever earn belongs to us, your Government Masters. Buying votes is expensive, so fork it over and shut the F*** up!”


40 posted on 12/14/2010 1:24:17 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Java4Jay

>>Can’t understand this mass exodus of conservative values.
What is it going to take for us to overtake this betrayal,
Revolution ?<<

In a word, yes. The a$$holes in Congress know one thing and only one thing - reelection. Once they can fool enough people to vote for them, it’s back to business as usual. RATs destroying America and RINOs helping them.

The GOP is in a death spiral, broke in both money and ideals. If Romney is nominated, it will be the last nail in the coffin and guarantees four more years of 0bambi.

If he is not deposed, that will be the last election we will ever see.


41 posted on 12/14/2010 1:24:49 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Java4Jay

No election for 2 years and Dupe voters with short memory. Capiche?


42 posted on 12/14/2010 2:45:45 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: NTHockey

RATs destroying America and RINOs helping them.

Conservatives are certainly holding their own in destroying America too. How many of them voted for this mess? That is what is shocking most.


43 posted on 12/14/2010 3:08:53 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: onyx

Coburn: No on tax bill but Yes on Food Safety. He tilts at earmarks and busts budgets. He is starting to confuse the hell out of me.


44 posted on 12/14/2010 3:09:42 AM PST by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: Gondring

The House Democrats will get promised all what they want in reconciliation.


45 posted on 12/14/2010 3:30:37 AM PST by Son House (The TEA Party is Going to Be Like a GI Party...Clean House!)
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To: Java4Jay

Here is an idea. Increase taxes on higher wage earners and we will figure out how to not be higher wage earners. Get it? I earned 6 figures for many, many years. This year I chose to run in the red... Get it?


46 posted on 12/14/2010 4:06:05 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: onyx

Kill this cannibalistic bill... it will feed on itself and then eat what is left of our economy... kill it now!

LLS


47 posted on 12/14/2010 4:37:34 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: onyx; Java4Jay

As usual, Onyx, you are right on and beat me to the punch with your answer to Java.
Java; seriously? To my knowledge, no poor person ever got a job from a poor person.

The successful entrepreneurs in our country are better than any stimulus. They keep our free market going and employ people!! DUH, Java.

And for those who don’t but are successful, they deserve to spend their money or not, any way they want to.


48 posted on 12/14/2010 5:12:36 AM PST by Mountain Mary ("Stand up Chuck. Let 'em see ya!")
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep. One more time.


49 posted on 12/14/2010 5:16:17 AM PST by sport
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To: WKB

Time to ping the Mississippi list... we need to tell both of the traitors, wicker and cochran, that THE TEA PARTY will remember! Turncoats!

LLS


50 posted on 12/14/2010 5:37:02 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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