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Obama Administration making plans to take over the 401(k)s to bail out their union backers
Tea Party ^ | October 12, 2010 | Elizabeth T

Posted on 12/14/2010 5:26:27 AM PST by IbJensen

Unionized labor is looting from us. Plans to take over our 401K- private retirement funds. Communists did the same in Argentina, sized private pension funds.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/05/obama-administration-m...

http://www.commieblaster.com/index.html

http://www.commieblaster.com/economy/index.html

The Obama Administration is making plans to take over the nation’s 401(k)s in order to bail out their union backers and their bankrupted pension plans.

Connie Hair at Human Events reported:

In February, the White House released its “Annual Report on the Middle Class” containing new regulations favored by Big Labor including a bailout of critically underfunded union pension plans through “retirement security” options.

The radical solution most favored by Big Labor is the seizure of private 401(k) plans for government disbursement — which lets them off the hook for their collapsing retirement scheme. And, of course, the Obama administration is eager to accommodate their buddies. Vice President Joe Biden floated the idea, called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” (GRAs), in the February “Middle Class” report.

In conjunction with the report’s release, the Obama administration jointly issued through the Departments of Labor and Treasury a “Request for Information” regarding the “annuitization” of 401(k) plans through “Lifetime Income Options” in the form of a notice to the public of proposed issuance of rules and regulations. (pdf)

Republican Leader John Boehner released this statement today in response to this recent move by democrats:

Keep Bureaucrats’ Hands off Americans’ 401(k)s

House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) and members of the House GOP Savings Solutions Group sent a letter to Labor Secretary Hilda Solis and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warning the Obama Administration that the government should keep its hands off of the retirement savings of Americans, and should reject proposals that would dismantle or nationalize the private 401(k) system in favor of a government-run retirement security regime. Several Administration officials, including the Vice President, have voiced support for efforts to create so-called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” or impose new government mandates which would undermine 401(k) retirement savings plans and jeopardize employers’ willingness to continue offering them to their workers. Boehner issued the following statement:

“The American people are asking ‘where are the jobs?’ They aren’t asking for job-killing policies that jeopardize their retirement savings. Unfortunately, Washington Democrats are pursuing policies that make it more difficult to offer 401(k) savings plans to their workers, and some are even advocating replacing them with government-run accounts and ending 401(k)s altogether. That’s unacceptable and not the solution Americans need at a time when they are still rebuilding their retirement, college, and personal savings.

“Republicans are committed to offering better solutions, and the proposal we have offered – the Savings Recovery Act – will help restore Americans’ savings and ensure that Washington does not stand in the way of families’ ability to save more. It’s time for Democrats to stop advocating policies that will destroy Americans’ savings and work with Republicans on better solutions to help rebuild them.”

Several GOP House members signed on to a letter delivered to labor Secretary Hilda L. Solis and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner expressing their concerns today.

Unionized labor is looting and extorting the money from taxpayer's.

We must watch now for new bail-outs to unionized labor or dictatorship = communism.

USA, Liberty from unionized labor and unionized, monopolized dictatorship.

Defend our Constitution. Defend Capitalism and terminate unionized labor from government.

See the Truth face of Unions.

Labor is always associated with communism and less education.

Unionized labor is the same like monopoly power, taking maximum profits at other peoples expense , prosperity, liberty and life.

Unions must be terminated from government. They are not legal. They should exist only in private industry to protect only basic rights of workers.

General Motor was destroyed by Union's inability to compete with other competitors.

In addition to it, communist Obama bailed General Motors at taxpayer's expense.


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Government prepares to seize private pension. What else did you expect from socialist and communists?

Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com October 12, 2010

The government is preparing to seize the private 401(k) pensions of millions of Americans while enforcing an additional 5 per cent payroll tax as part of a new bailout program that will empower the Social Security Administration to redistribute pension funds in a frightening example of big government gone wild.

Public pension plans have been so aggressively looted already by the government that cities and counties face a $574 billion funding gap, according to a CNBC report.

That black hole is set to be filled by a new proposal that will “fairly” distribute taxpayer-funded pensions to everyone, by confiscating the private wealth of millions of Americans. Its proponents express staggering arrogance in thinking that they can just steal money people have worked for decades to accrue as if it’s their own.

Not only would the government confiscate 401(k) pensions, it would also impose a mandatory 5 per cent payroll tax payable by everyone, according to a hearing chaired last week by Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee.

“This would, of course, be a sister government ponzi scheme working in tandem with Social Security, the primary purpose being to give big government politicians additional taxpayer funds to raid to pay for their out-of-control spending,” writes Connie Hair.

The hearing was a platform for advocates of Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs), a program authored by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York. Back in November 2008, Ghilarducci testified to Congress that 401(k)s and IRAs should be confiscated and converted into universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

“You don’t hold hearings on something you don’t intend to do,” points out the Market Ticker blog. “I hate it when I’m right. I hate it even more when tens of millions of Americans are going to get reamed to pay for the crimes of the handful on Wall Street, and their crony enablers in Washington DC.”

The GRAs would be enforced by means of a mandatory savings tax equating to 5 per cent of an individual’s annual paycheck deposited to the GRA. Social Security and Medicare taxes would still be payable, employers would no longer would be able to write off their contributions and capital gains would be taxable year-on-year. In addition, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts.

During a Seattle radio interview in October 2008, Ghilarducci explained the motive behind the plan, stating, “I’m just rearranging the tax breaks that are available now for 401(k)s and spreading – spreading the wealth” (emphasis mine).

However, as we painfully learned in the immediate aftermath of the original $700 million dollar bailout, which was originally sold on the basis that it would be used to pay off bad debt, governments that propose “spreading the wealth” under socialist-style financial reforms almost always collect the wealth under the pretext of being the saviors before greedily hoarding it all for themselves.

The GRA program is being pushed by the Economic Policy Institute, an organization housed on the third floor of the building occupied by the George Soros-funded Center for American Progress. The Center for American Progress is a think tank headed by Bill Clinton’s former chief of staff John D. Podesta, who was also head of Barack Obama’s presidential transition team after the 2008 election.

In preparing to seize private pensions, the United States is going the same way as Argentinean government, which in 2008 nationalized the country’s private pension plans, known as AFJPs, confiscating the wealth of millions.

“We have no doubt that here the right to private property is being violated. Not just for us but for society and the world, this is a clear confiscation,” said opposition Radical Party’s Ernesto Sanz at the time.

How will Americans react to having not only their wealth but their nest egg for future generations brazenly confiscated by the government in one fell swoop? If this doesn’t prompt widespread rioting and civil disobedience in America on behalf of the besieged middle class then nothing will.

Don’t be under any illusions, if you don’t have a private pension and think this won’t affect you – think again. Once the pretext has been created that the state can simply confiscate privately earned wealth, they can then come after anything, your gold, your home, your kids and eventually your very freedom. Once the vampire of big government gets a taste for blood, the teeth will only sink in further, and America’s resemblance to third world tyrannies will rapidly accelerate.

1 posted on 12/14/2010 5:26:31 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

“...being necessary for the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!”

Touch the 401Ks and pensions and it’s war.


2 posted on 12/14/2010 5:28:33 AM PST by meyer (Hey Obama - It's the end of the world as you know it.... ..... and I feel fine!)
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To: All

N.O.


3 posted on 12/14/2010 5:28:33 AM PST by Irenic
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To: IbJensen

The odds of this happening now are virtually zero.


4 posted on 12/14/2010 5:28:33 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: IbJensen

Obama needs to be arrested, tried for treason and brought to justice. He is a cancer on America that needs to be removed.


5 posted on 12/14/2010 5:29:35 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: IbJensen

I don’t think thInk there’s much chance of this passing with the new Congress coming in. But, I could be suprised.


6 posted on 12/14/2010 5:29:53 AM PST by MNGal
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To: thethirddegree

What’s the use of having a 401K if someone else-anyone- can take it?


7 posted on 12/14/2010 5:31:38 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: saganite

Maybe. Getting a measure like this through the house would be next to impossible. However, Obama could merely get the IRS to change the rules governing 401ks. He’s shown willingness to do by bureaucracy what he can’t get in the congress (EPA, FCC).


8 posted on 12/14/2010 5:31:58 AM PST by Yet_Again
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To: IbJensen

There’s going to be so much free stuff from the govt. that you won’t NEED your 401K! Govt. will provide!


9 posted on 12/14/2010 5:32:43 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: IbJensen

If they are planning to try this, they had better get busy:

The deadline for the unions to get their act together on their pensions is 12/15/10. These funds would be the down payment on that. They are going to run out of time, I do believe.

And the chance of the new congress doing this is exactly ZERO.


10 posted on 12/14/2010 5:34:21 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: IbJensen

Bttt

All your 401k belong to us


11 posted on 12/14/2010 5:34:31 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Nightshift

Gnip


12 posted on 12/14/2010 5:35:42 AM PST by tutstar
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To: IbJensen

There will be open season on liberals if this happens......................


13 posted on 12/14/2010 5:36:09 AM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: saganite
“The odds of this happening now are virtually zero.”

The fact that it is even being talked about is astounding.

14 posted on 12/14/2010 5:37:12 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: LucyT; BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

Ping


15 posted on 12/14/2010 5:37:28 AM PST by tutstar
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To: IbJensen

This is NOT going to happen. It has been refuted.


17 posted on 12/14/2010 5:39:01 AM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Red Badger

Some liberals will join the hunt. They have 401K plans at risk also.


18 posted on 12/14/2010 5:39:06 AM PST by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Daisyjane69

That’s good to know.

All of this seems to be a bit hysterical. Plus, if you read down into the comments on that page it begins to get into all sorts of really wacky conspiracy theory B.S. including a mention of 9/11 truther filth.

Crap like this gives the TEA party a bad name.


19 posted on 12/14/2010 5:39:44 AM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: IbJensen
Did you notice that the article appeared BEFORE the latest election.

It is now IRRELEVANT.

20 posted on 12/14/2010 5:39:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: saganite
...crimes of the handful on Wall Street, and their crony enablers in Washington DC.”

I think he has it backwards....but the result is the same..........

21 posted on 12/14/2010 5:39:48 AM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: meyer

This ain’t gonna happen. Promise.

-Rex


22 posted on 12/14/2010 5:39:56 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: meyer

You can’t collect a union pension if you are dead


23 posted on 12/14/2010 5:40:40 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: coon2000
quote:

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."


24 posted on 12/14/2010 5:42:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: meyer

Yup!

Touch our 401Ks and it’s WAR!


25 posted on 12/14/2010 5:42:34 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: IbJensen

Victims of Lawful Plunder

Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter — by peaceful or REVOLUTIONARY means — into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.

Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws!

Until that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes universal. And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society, they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.

It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution — some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.

The Results of Legal Plunder

It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.

Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

(CAPS mine)

These economic terrorists/plunderers need to be brought up on treason charges.

Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.


26 posted on 12/14/2010 5:43:05 AM PST by PGalt
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To: listenhillary

No bag limit....................


27 posted on 12/14/2010 5:44:39 AM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: IbJensen

The citizenry of this country have been Socialized by government (federal, state, and local) to allow the confiscation of huge amounts of wealth on an annual basis with barely a word uttered. If government can get away with stealing the wealth that people people are creating now what is to prevent them from taking their retirement, also????


28 posted on 12/14/2010 5:45:06 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

It was being talked about during the 2008 election. There have been several proposals for raiding private savings including Hillary’s thinking out loud suggestion that there be a one off 10% tax on 401K pensions. In some form or other, the Govt can’t wait to get it’s hands on that treasure trove.


29 posted on 12/14/2010 5:45:13 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I hope that is true, one would not think it would be possible, but we really didn’t think they would pass stimulus to give to unions to be used as slush funds for the socialist agendas either..this too should have been against the law. but they did it....I think it is the hand to hand combat Uhbummer said it would be, they are desperate to get funding however they can...They are trying to destroy us..


30 posted on 12/14/2010 5:45:36 AM PST by aces
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“The fact that it is even being talked about is astounding”.

...that’s my thought as well. Just “talking about” certain issues is how we got where we are today. It gets floated out there and eventually becomes acceptible as it goes into debate. Pork and ear mark “deals” are made so it’s not “so bad” after all.


31 posted on 12/14/2010 5:46:03 AM PST by albie
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To: G Larry

“Touch our 401Ks and it’s WAR...”

Why do you think Justice Breyer has been sniveling about the Second Amendment of late?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2642343/posts


32 posted on 12/14/2010 5:46:37 AM PST by mo
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To: Red Badger

Extra points given to multiple casualties with one shot..


33 posted on 12/14/2010 5:46:46 AM PST by aces
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To: Peter from Rutland

I think sometimes people like kicking the hornet’s nest.


34 posted on 12/14/2010 5:47:47 AM PST by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Yet_Again
However, Obama could merely get the IRS to change the rules governing 401ks.

Unless I am forgetting something (still on first cup o joe)...the IRS doesn't write the rules, it only gets to enforce them.

35 posted on 12/14/2010 5:48:17 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (The Obama platform: I inherited problems that were all BoooooshÂ’s fault, you racist teabagger!)
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To: IbJensen

If my 401K is stolen by these, unfit to breath our air, communists in unions and the democrat party I will lose my freedom because there will be some of the aforementioned sub-human pigs who will no longer be breathing our air.

The theft of our property should bring on another American Revolution.


36 posted on 12/14/2010 5:48:43 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: IbJensen

Scenario:

Public pensions and Union pensions collapse.

The government will use the well worn excuse of FAIRNESS as a way of sharing/spreading wealth from the savers to the leeches by offering EVERYONE a guaranteed 3% return on all money currently in 401 k’s IF the government is allowed to take control.

The media will show endless stories of grandma and Freddy the Fender fixer eating out of a dumpster because his Ford pension has collapsed.

The sheeple will DEMAND that something be done and then will MEEKLY go along with the proposal.

Many/not all who are against this proposal will be trying to hold on to what wealth they have left rather than do the right thing......replay 1776 all over again.

Government always takes in increments.

JMO...


37 posted on 12/14/2010 5:49:23 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: IbJensen

I hope they try. That should scare even the brain dead middle-class.


38 posted on 12/14/2010 5:51:29 AM PST by AU72
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To: IbJensen

The simple truth is that we should repeal all legislation that gives unions their special powers. As the writer points out, they have been destructive in the private sector as well as the public sector.


39 posted on 12/14/2010 5:52:01 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: saganite
Agreed. Unless, things are really desperate. And at that point, our 401ks won't be worth anything.

Besides, that would probably tank the stock market.

OTOH, the feds could disqualify anyone with a 401k from receiving Social Security.

40 posted on 12/14/2010 5:52:43 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Wurlitzer

It would be good to get everyone on record before the shooting starts -

“Answer this question - do you believe you or any person knows better and therefore has the right and/or duty to make decisions for another person?”


41 posted on 12/14/2010 5:52:51 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

IMO, they won’t attack 401K’s directly. They’ll do something like curtailing Sosha Security benefits to those who already “have enough money anyway and don’t ‘need’ SS” even though they paid into it all their working lives.

Oh, wait...

Isn’t that part of the “Deficit Reduction Panel” plan already?


42 posted on 12/14/2010 5:53:09 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: MrB

What’s your source for those quotes? I somehow remember that first quote (which I believe is the absolute gospel truth) as coming from an American Thinker article (can’t remember the author’s name).


43 posted on 12/14/2010 5:53:41 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: aces

Rule #1 for zombies: You have to shoot twice...........from Zombieland


44 posted on 12/14/2010 5:54:30 AM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: mo

Any attempt to abrogate the 2nd Amendment will fiercely opposed.

I believe that for the moment Obama has overplayed his hand and can be kept in check.

It is the courts we must be ware of.


45 posted on 12/14/2010 5:55:18 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: Red Badger

How about keeping it an open season anyway even if this doesn’t happen. Remember, Liberals and Progressives, et al are the enemy!!!


46 posted on 12/14/2010 5:56:00 AM PST by Postman
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

The quote appeared in a Czechoslovakian newspaper I believe. I am unsure of the author’s name.


47 posted on 12/14/2010 5:57:50 AM PST by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Postman

The difference between a “liberal” and a “progressive” is like the difference between a 3 pointer and a 10 pointer. A full blown commie is a 12 pointer....................


48 posted on 12/14/2010 5:58:16 AM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: aces

“Extra points given to multiple casualties with one shot..”

The Russian M91/30 was designed to kill three at once.


49 posted on 12/14/2010 6:01:30 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: IbJensen

Another solution would be for the next conservative President to do away with public service employee unions. JFK made them possible with an executive order.


50 posted on 12/14/2010 6:01:43 AM PST by IamConservative (Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. - Truman)
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