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Army Doc: Deployment Orders Illegal Without Pres. Obama's Birth Records
7NEWS ^ | December 14, 2010 | Deb Stanley,

Posted on 12/14/2010 6:12:11 AM PST by george76

FORT MEADE, Md. -- A military court was set to hear the case Tuesday of an Army doctor charged with refusing to deploy to Afghanistan because he says he doubts whether President Barack Obama was born in the U.S. and therefore questions his eligibility to be commander in chief.

Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, an 18-year Army veteran from Greeley, disobeyed orders to report earlier this year to Fort Campbell in Kentucky to prepare for deployment, saying he believed the orders were illegal.

In videos posted on YouTube, Lakin aligned himself with so-called "birthers" who question whether Obama is a natural-born citizen as the U.S. Constitution requires for presidents.

Lakin said in the videos that any reasonable person looking at available evidence would have questions about Obama's eligibility to be president and that he had "no choice" but to disobey orders. Lakin said he would "gladly deploy" if Obama's original birth certificate were released and proved authentic.

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1 posted on 12/14/2010 6:12:19 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

Court martial starts today. I don’t expect it’ll last long.


2 posted on 12/14/2010 6:14:16 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: george76

To be consistent, he should have regused orders before the deployment ones and since. By cherry-picking what he will and will not consider legitimate orders, he has torpedoed his case.


3 posted on 12/14/2010 6:14:30 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Thanks Obama supporter. How is your poor pal over in Germany who was laid off by GM? I f he is like you - I am suprised the Germans would have him. He is probably some lazy old Detroit guy and Obama supporter.


4 posted on 12/14/2010 6:17:51 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: george76

http://larryh.newsvine.com/_news/2010/01/04/3714637-obama-orders-immediate-execution-of-cia-agents-in-afghanistan-by-sorcha-faal-on-friday-january-01-2010-80252-am-


5 posted on 12/14/2010 6:21:34 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Your right. A trial in a Kangaroo court that refuses to hear evidence wont last long. In the soviet union they sent millions of political prisoners to jail without evidence and It works well that way. It should work the same here.
6 posted on 12/14/2010 6:23:56 AM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: Frantzie
Thanks Obama supporter.

I'm stating a fact: the trial starts today. And an opinion: it shouldn't take long.

How is your poor pal over in Germany who was laid off by GM? I f he is like you - I am suprised the Germans would have him. He is probably some lazy old Detroit guy and Obama supporter.

I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

7 posted on 12/14/2010 6:24:43 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: PA-RIVER
Your right. A trial in a Kangaroo court that refuses to hear evidence wont last long.

It's willing to hear all the relevant evidence that Lakin is willing to present.

In the soviet union they sent millions of political prisoners to jail without evidence and It works well that way. It should work the same here.

Your equating the U.S. Army with the Soviet military is duly noted.

8 posted on 12/14/2010 6:27:14 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: george76; xzins
If the standard of proof in this case is "beyond a reasonable doubt" I would think that the burden of proof would be on the Military to show that it was a lawful order and produce the documents to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.

But alas, that will likely not be the case and Larkin will be convicted on the word of Obama and the MSM that he was a Natural Born Citizen.

9 posted on 12/14/2010 6:33:05 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well, we don't know for sure what will happen. The Commander in chief might send his birth certificate to the trial and request that the officer go back to work.

Then again, if the CIC is a scumbag , that probably wont happen.

As for the Army being equated with the Soviet Union, that's your words , Soldier. I am equating a Gutless General too afraid to do her god damn job and let the facts and evidence into the court to speak for themselves. The Soviet Union depended on gutless worms like her. Your familiar with some gutless worms? You understand how they work, kiss a$$ and go along to get along? We all meet scumbags like that, they are not exclusive to the Soviet Union.

10 posted on 12/14/2010 6:36:40 AM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: LucyT; Candor7; danamco; stephenjohnbanker; justiceseeker93; null and void

if Obama could only find a U.S. birth certificate ..


11 posted on 12/14/2010 6:58:30 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The b.c. is dead!!!

One just have to wonder WHY???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p4PWvH_g70&feature=player_embedded#!


12 posted on 12/14/2010 7:06:20 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: george76
Poor Barak, he's in an quandary.

He has to send a man to jail to keep his fraud going.

He cant release his records and keep his job, King of America.

13 posted on 12/14/2010 7:12:45 AM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: P-Marlowe

It saddens me that Lakin has made this error. I believe he thought he could force the system to reveal Obama’s credentials by his refusal to deploy. What he forgot was that there are strict legal standards about failing to deploy that have been in place for generations. The most critical issue is that the Manual for Courts Martial says that any order should be presumed to legal without absolutely clear evidence that it is not. It also suggests that a questionable order delivered through the normally official chain are to be considered legal orders.

Did Ltc Lakin have questions? Yep. But, was the order delivered through the chain that he otherwise responds to with obedience? Yes.

The proper avenue would have been to obey the deployment orders while registering a challenge.


14 posted on 12/14/2010 7:23:42 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

And they would “register” that challenge right there next to the candy wrappers in the “circular file”.


15 posted on 12/14/2010 7:24:58 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

LTC Lakin is experienced enough to keep track of any paperwork he might submit for action.

Right now, though, with this course of action he STILL is not getting results AND he’s liable for adverse action. That doesn’t appear to have better results than having obeyed the deployment orders while challenging them.

You need to understand that I am among those who realize that Obama has not come clean about his credentials. You can check my posts on this since before the election. And when Lakin’s case came up, I immediately said that I thought he had chosen a course of action that would lose.


16 posted on 12/14/2010 7:32:30 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Gondring

Obama could end all of these court filings if he would just release his COLB and college records. How many court filings have there been regarding where the worst POTUS ever was born, anyway? Anyone know?

Where is the MSM? IF any other POTUS had their college records sealed as well as the state of Hawaii sealing his birth from FOIA or any inquiries (coincedently right after Obama went to Hawaii to bury his grandmother.) The MSM would be screaming!

Call me crazy,nuts,loony, call me a BIRTHER; I don’t care!
There are too many unanswered questions regarding Obama.
The MSM has so much as admitted they covered for him.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/http://eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm


17 posted on 12/14/2010 7:34:50 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: xzins

Hey, I’m not accusing you of anything.

Yes, Lakin is now subject to “adverse action”,
but at least he’s forcing them to deal with him.

Submitting a challenge would be far too easy to ignore,
as in, “lacking standing”.

The Powers That Be are scared spitless of touching this issue with a 10 ft pole. There has been no case in which the merits have been even looked at.


18 posted on 12/14/2010 7:35:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: xzins
I believe he thought he could force the system to reveal Obama's credentials by his refusal to deploy.

I don't believe that at all. Surely the order to deploy was not the very first order he received since 20 January 2009.

This poltroon is an barrack-room lawyer who thinks he's found a loophole to avoid getting sent into a combat zone.

19 posted on 12/14/2010 7:44:05 AM PST by tricksy
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To: MrB

I agree it is so unprecedented no one wants to touch it.
It was said that when Bush had minor surgery he passed the football to Cheney. Imagine a POTUS not qualified to render any EO muchless be a CIC?

I ask... why did Axelrod not simply address the issue besides releasing some BC a blogger made? Where is the COLB? Why did Obama go to Hawaii and all of a sudden his COLB is sealed from inquiry or FOIA?

If Obama is all legal eagle then why did Axelrod use ALinsky 101 and label all those that dare question as’BIRTHERS” and RACISTS?


20 posted on 12/14/2010 7:44:21 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: tricksy

Nope, he’s a surgeon, and from my experience with the military, that makes him a very smart man. I don’t see him as a barracks lawyer, because his experience was too great.

I see him more as a true believer who allowed himself to overlook some important mistakes in reasoning.


21 posted on 12/14/2010 7:48:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: PA-RIVER

Why would Obama use a Hawaii statute preventing identity theft to seal his Hawaii records?

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=79174


22 posted on 12/14/2010 7:49:47 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: george76

Drudge is linked to this story.


23 posted on 12/14/2010 7:51:53 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: george76
Same question as after the election, What is Obama hiding and Why?
24 posted on 12/14/2010 7:53:53 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: tricksy

The order to deploy is directly linked to Obama’s surge in Afghanistan, inshort Obama ordered his deployment and every officer in the chain of command above LtCol Lankin carried out Obama’s orders without questioning his authority to issue them.

Obama can at any time prove he has the complete legal authority as a Natural Born Citizen by producing his original Birth Certificate, in which case LtCol Lankin will still be convicted of disobey a lawful order. That Obama refuses to produce undeniable proof that he is eligible for the office he holds is enough to question weather he can legally order troops into battle.


25 posted on 12/14/2010 8:04:52 AM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
It's willing to hear all the relevant evidence that Lakin is willing to present.

Doesn't that put you at odds with the judge, who is not allowing Lakin to present all of the evidence in the case? In particular, he is not compelling Obama to provide the proof.

IIRC, the judge is not allowing Lakin to tell the court (and the jury) the reason he decided to disobey orders (the unreleased birth certificate).

26 posted on 12/14/2010 8:20:50 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Not when the judge has barred you from presenting any evidence that might exonerate you.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 8:24:22 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: PA-RIVER
Hawaii law has long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

And the HDH has defined "tangible interest" so narrowly that NO ONE is able to obtain a copy. National security isn't enough, ensuring the president is constitutionally eligible is not enough, hell, there is literally NOTHING that would meet their definition.

28 posted on 12/14/2010 8:28:14 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Art in Idaho
Same question as after the election, What is Obama hiding and Why?

Americans wait for the MSM and a corrupt to core government to tell them the truth. The MSM is composed of some of the biggest fools in history and America is held hostage by these idiots.

Obama was elected by the MSM as they failed to reveal the truth about this clown. BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Like the Lt. Col. who has the intestinal fortitude to bring this question to a place they have to at least address it, I believe Obama is a lying scumbag SOB who thinks he will get away with his scam. IMHO, it's obvious to anyone with an IQ even approaching room temperature that Obama is not eligible to be POTUS.

This is just a start to the process of America seeing this emperor exposed without clothes.

29 posted on 12/14/2010 8:29:28 AM PST by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: Non-Sequitur; PA-RIVER
Once again you demonstrate you are willing to lie, deceive, misrepresent and in general muddy up the waters in defense of your Obamamessiah.

You write, “It's [the military court is] willing to hear all the relevant evidence that Lakin is willing to present.

That's bullshit!

Military Judge, Denise Lind, has ruled that Lakin will not be able to present any witnesses or documents for his defense and will not be able to explain his reason for disobeying orders at the court-martial.

That's a damned kangaroo-court, by anybody’s definition.

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=6890

30 posted on 12/14/2010 8:33:25 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: P-Marlowe

And that is the fatal error of the judge and the grounds for appeal.


31 posted on 12/14/2010 8:33:45 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: xzins; MrB

Yep. His challenge would have been thrown in the trash before he even left the room.


32 posted on 12/14/2010 8:39:56 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: usmcobra

BO’s bith certificate will not solve the riddle-no one disputes that his father was not ever an american citizen, therefore, even if BO was born on the steps of the capitol itself, he would not, under consitutional requirement and basic citizenship law, be a nautral born US citizen.

BOTH parents are required to be US citizens in order for a child to be a “natural born” citizen.


33 posted on 12/14/2010 8:41:01 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

I wonder $5000 could convince his half brother or one of Obama's cousins to get a copy?

34 posted on 12/14/2010 8:44:49 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: xzins
Re: “...he STILL is not getting results...”

You could not be more incorrect.

Google returns 183,000 results based on a search of “Lt. Col. Lakin”

http://www.google.com/search?q=Lt.+Col.+Lakin&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

Col. Lakin and his council knew going in that the military court martial was only the first battle, and that they would probably lose.

The appellate process is where this battle will be won or lost.

And the drip, drip, drip will continue to damage Obama, who will be even more damaged if he puts this career military man in Leavenworth because he won't release his bona fides to the American people, who have a right to know, and a need to know who Obama is, where he comes from, and who sent him.

35 posted on 12/14/2010 8:49:01 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I wonder $5000 could convince his half brother or one of Obama's cousins to get a copy?

How about half-brother George who was living in a $1-a-month hovel.

He could get some more pot money and stick it to Obama, who has never done anying to help him, or the rest of his Kenyan family, at the same time.

36 posted on 12/14/2010 8:56:46 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: usmcobra
inshort Obama ordered his deployment and every officer in the chain of command above LtCol Lankin carried out Obama’s orders without questioning his authority to issue them.

This is why I tell people that the military won't be on our side.

37 posted on 12/14/2010 8:58:53 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: Frantzie

Unfortunately for Lt. Col. Lakin, his case is a loser and he’s sooo screwed.

He doesn’t have the standing to question Dear Leader’s credentials, and neither do we.

This was the job of the Electoral College, and Vice President Cheney, who IMHO fell down on the job. The VP was the last line of defense and he had every right to demand Zero’s long form. He did not.

As such, I don’t think that we can get Zero out of office at this time. In the next election cycle if some state has the balls to enact a statute demanding that such forms be provided in certified form we may know the truth. Or if some elector in the EC chooses to demand such proof.

But, right now Lt Col. Lakin is going to the stockade for not following orders, because Zero IS the President.


38 posted on 12/14/2010 8:58:53 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: xzins

Did Ltc Lakin have questions? Yep. But, was the order delivered through the chain that he otherwise responds to with obedience? Yes.

The proper avenue would have been to obey the deployment orders while registering a challenge.


Not a lawyer nor know the UMCJ in detail. But I agree that the LTC should have followed orders up to boarding the transport to Afghanistan. Then he may have some basis to make his claims. But as it stands now he’s basically being charged with failure to report as ordered to stations prior to deployment. JMO and it maybe all wrong.


39 posted on 12/14/2010 9:03:51 AM PST by deport
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To: Beckwith
Judge Lind may well live on in history as the Judge who put a man in prison without affording him a proper trial.

This doesn't end here with this trial and conviction. This is the beginning. Judge Lind might be wise to hire council after this “trial” is over.

40 posted on 12/14/2010 9:11:54 AM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Court martial starts today.

Where are the experts that said this would never go to trail?

41 posted on 12/14/2010 9:21:59 AM PST by TankerKC (Part of the Soros funded Blog Police.)
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To: Beckwith

That is who I was thinking of. If not George, he has several other half brothers and sisters who probably would.


42 posted on 12/14/2010 9:29:45 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: xzins; blue-duncan
The most critical issue is that the Manual for Courts Martial says that any order should be presumed to legal without absolutely clear evidence that it is not.

Sounds as if he may have had some bad legal advice. He should have deployed under protest and then filed a petition for writ of mandate for the Army to produce the documents in question. He probably would have lost, but he would still have his commission.

Cest la vie.

43 posted on 12/14/2010 9:42:12 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Manly Warrior

BO’s bith certificate will not solve the riddle-no one disputes that his father was not ever an american citizen, therefore, even if BO was born on the steps of the capitol itself, he would not, under consitutional requirement and basic citizenship law, be a nautral born US citizen.

BOTH parents are required to be US citizens in order for a child to be a “natural born” citizen.

33 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:41:01 AM by Manly Warrior


The following is the passage from Law of Nations that was used as the definition for a Natural Born Citizen by our Founding Fathers:

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Now what part of Vattel’s clear and concise Definition of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN do Communists, Socialists, Liberals and Democrats not understand?

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-ineligible-if-he-was-born-on.html


44 posted on 12/14/2010 9:43:33 AM PST by FS11
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To: TankerKC
Maybe there in Baraks home country, Kenya. Where he took his AIDS test with his American wife.
45 posted on 12/14/2010 9:43:49 AM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: wastedyears; usmcobra

“...This is why I tell people that the military won’t be on our side...”

Some will be, some won’t be. Same as 1861-65. Then there will be those who sit on the fence watching which flag to fly - same as the civilian population. It’s the “Thirds Rule”.

History repeats, almost always, because people forget, or are made to forget, or are deliberately not taught.

It’s inevitable at this point, good brothers.


46 posted on 12/14/2010 9:44:31 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: FS11
The following is the passage from Law of Nations that was used as the definition for a Natural Born Citizen by our Founding Fathers:

A bit of a stretch, heh?

47 posted on 12/14/2010 9:45:08 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: P-Marlowe

“I would think that the burden of proof would be on the Military to show that it was a lawful order...”

I imagine the military’s burden will be to show that Larkin refused to obey a lawful order to report for duty. I doubt they will get to the question of O’s birth certificate.

Suppose every soldier had the right to force the government to prove that every officer in the chain of command was legally holding his office before the soldier was required to obey the order. Might slow things down a bit.


48 posted on 12/14/2010 9:51:14 AM PST by freethinker_for_freedom
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To: P-Marlowe

Sounds as if he may have had some bad legal advice. He should have deployed under protest and then filed a petition for writ of mandate for the Army to produce the documents in question. He probably would have lost, but he would still have his commission.

43 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:42:12 AM by P-Marlowe


I agree. Furthermore, his “lawyers” failed to raise the NBC issue.

Now what basis for appeal is there for what LTC Lakin’s lawyer has concluded is a “certain conviction?”

Puckett stated that all of Lind’s rulings re: discovery were correct, did he not?

What issues does LTC Lakin have for appeal of the “certain conviction” predicted by his lawyer?


49 posted on 12/14/2010 9:52:34 AM PST by FS11
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To: NFHale

I won’t be one of those sitting on the fence.


50 posted on 12/14/2010 10:08:18 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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