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Top students fleeing Oakland public schools
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/14/10 | Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer

Posted on 12/14/2010 12:19:38 PM PST by SmithL

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To: SmithL
Not all students are equal. Some are very, very smart. Some are capable. Some are not capable - no, not even with so-called "good teaching". They simply are not able to grasp the concepts. And some are eager to avoid learning.

That said, all are mixed together. So the smart ones learn despite the school. The capable ones get by but learn very little. The rest may graduate, but are lacking the most basic elements of education.

Parents with above-average children should, in my opinion, get them out of public schools. Find an alternative. Those who want their average children to excel should do the same.

The public schools are, by and large, with exceptions duly noted, an intellectual desert. They are not getting any better. And even the best teachers are so busy taking care of the incapable and unwilling that they have no time for the better students.

21 posted on 12/14/2010 12:58:12 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: SmithL
"The middle schools are saying, 'Come on. We're supposed to get these kids:' "

Step 1: Lose the entitlement mentality.

22 posted on 12/14/2010 12:59:29 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: dogcaller
Solution of the Left...have the federal regulatory apparatus implement an internal passport system with strict relocation rules.

Or worse, revive the state court ruling that home schooling is "illegal."

23 posted on 12/14/2010 1:04:55 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: PGR88

“It’s OK Oakland - just keep doing what your doing, and everything will work out just fine (/sarc)”

More money! They need to spend more money! /s/


24 posted on 12/14/2010 1:25:33 PM PST by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: SmithL

My sister went to 7th grade at a school in El Cerrito back in the 70s, and the black-on-white persecution was bad back then. I’m sure it’s worse now.

Of course, this would have nothing to do with people leaving the schools.

/sarc


25 posted on 12/14/2010 1:32:29 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: SmithL

Considering how well Jerry Brown did destroying Oakland and its school system, one can’t begin to imagine how well he’ll do with the entire state of California. The nightmare is right on the horizon. Future article will be entitled “Brain drain from California School Districts,” and the “rest of California.”


26 posted on 12/14/2010 1:36:07 PM PST by Ranger Warrior
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To: SmithL

Those that can flee liberalism . . schools, neighborhoods, cities, shopping areas, states, regions. Liberalism is inherently a deal killer.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 1:54:29 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: All

“How can they improve the middle schools’ test scores when the brightest students leave?”
Maybe they should actually HELP the kids who DO need it.


28 posted on 12/14/2010 1:56:03 PM PST by TheOregonian (Obama=Fail, Medicare=Worse fail)
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To: NonValueAdded

California was cutting edge in introducing the hate whitey diversity doctrines into the schools. I feel sorry for the 92 white students who had to finish school there. They are probably extremely abused. Their parents stink to do that to them.


29 posted on 12/14/2010 1:57:10 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Ranger Warrior
It's not rocket science, folks:

1. Eliminate tenure and seniority.

2. Base teacher benefits and retention on quality, not seniority.

3. Make it clear to the persons evaluating, hiring and promoting teachers that their jobs depend on improving the quality of education.

4. Make the dismissal of a bad teacher a simple, short process - not a multiyear judicial process.

5. Make the expulsion of chronic troublemakers in the student body a simple, short process - not a multiyear judicial process.

6. Encourage teachers to get advanced degrees in their areas of expertise. Discourage them from obtaining advanced degrees in Education.

The schools would improve markedly in a very short period of time.

30 posted on 12/14/2010 1:58:55 PM PST by p. henry
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To: SmithL

31 posted on 12/14/2010 2:14:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: SmithL

No problem. They’ll pressure the big unions to find a way to make it illegal for these students to leave. This is what leftist teachers do best....it’s the only thing they can do at all!


32 posted on 12/14/2010 2:54:13 PM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: SmithL

The elementary schools are probably just as bad as the middle schools. The difference is most parents are capable of supplementing enough to make sure their kids can read and know their times table.

After five years they say, “Screw this, I’m not teaching them algebra, too” and send them private.

The ones who care, that it....


33 posted on 12/14/2010 2:56:49 PM PST by Eepsy
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To: p. henry
Encourage teachers to get advanced degrees in their areas of expertise. Discourage them from obtaining advanced degrees in Education.

I believe that their area of expertise is Education. I don't think most of them could obtain a Bachelor Degree in the subject they are teaching, so I see no way for them to obtain advanced degrees.

I base this on seeing the mass transfer of chemistry majors to education majors after one semester of hard science and calculus, back in 1968. I only assume it happened in other majors, and is still happening today.

34 posted on 12/14/2010 2:57:19 PM PST by cayuga (Can the US survive an electorate stupid enough to send 0bama to the White House?)
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To: tacticalogic

Teacher unions, after having for decades whined about wanting smaller class sizes finally got their wish. Not so great when the students left are the unproductive schlubs, is it?? Well, too damned bad!!


35 posted on 12/14/2010 3:00:12 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: SmithL

This is a microcosm of California as a whole... the producers are heading for the exits, leaving behind the unproductive types. This is what the progressivist left has wanted, right? Now the teacher unions have a simpler, more mentally malleable core group of students to mold into perpetually needy, dependent sheep. The future of California couldn`t be brighter.


36 posted on 12/14/2010 3:09:51 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Swordmaker; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ..

Thanks SmithL.
...the district was losing 40 percent of the advanced students as well as 28 percent of those who reached grade-level proficiency at an Oakland elementary school...
So, about seven, eight kids?

Apparently there are parents, even in Oakland, who want a quality education for their children. Bravo, and more power to 'em!


37 posted on 12/14/2010 3:39:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: NonValueAdded
leaving just 92 white seniors in the 2010 graduating class of 3,442 students.

Damn, those poor kids. My wife and I went to a mixed-race urban school, and had our share of getting jumped and beat up by blacks. But it was only about 20 percent black. Can't imagine it being 97 percent black and being a white kid there.

38 posted on 12/14/2010 5:16:59 PM PST by roadcat
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To: umgud

“Raise the bar and students will try to reach it.
Lower the bar and students will try to reach it.”

Students will be reaching for the $4.5B MO salad bar.

: o /


39 posted on 12/14/2010 5:26:35 PM PST by maggief
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