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Pickens Plan no longer features wind energy
msnbc ^ | 12/14/2010 | By Jennifer Alsever

Posted on 12/14/2010 6:26:42 PM PST by tobyhill

Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens' TV commercials blasted the airwaves in 2008 with his big idea to get America off foreign oil imports: natural gas and wind energy.

Two years later, let’s just make that natural gas.

Since the billionaire’s plans for the world’s largest wind farm fell apart in the Texas Panhandle, Pickens has edited his much-hyped “Pickens Plan” to focus primarily on his other big business interest: natural gas.

Touting 1.7 million Pickens Plan supporters, he’s now pushing Congress to pass legislation that would offer incentives to convert 18-wheelers and fleet vehicles to run on compressed natural gas, or CNG, rather than diesel. He said if just 8 million of those trucks switch to the domestic-produced fuel, it could cut in half the amount of foreign oil imported by the United States.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: energy; globalwarming; nevermind; pickens; pickensplan; tboonepickens; wind; windenergy; windfarms; windmills

1 posted on 12/14/2010 6:26:46 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Ding Dong Bell!


2 posted on 12/14/2010 6:27:59 PM PST by Parmy
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To: All

I was duped by Pickens at first. No more...

He also has plans with water.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/preview/2001-08-01/feature6


3 posted on 12/14/2010 6:35:22 PM PST by Irenic
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To: tobyhill

T Boone sure knows how to shake that gubmint money subsidy tree.


4 posted on 12/14/2010 6:38:30 PM PST by chuckee
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To: tobyhill

Just yesterday flying from DFW to Midland, Tx. sure was a bunch of tall white fans down thar on the scraggly plains of Texas. Immediately I thought of T Boondoggle Pickens rotational monuments to his grabbings.


5 posted on 12/14/2010 6:42:50 PM PST by tflabo
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To: tobyhill

Interesting.

Machine Design magazine has run a series of articles questioning if there is ANY net electrical output from wind farms.


6 posted on 12/14/2010 6:45:09 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: tobyhill

Seems that all the folks being trained to work in the new green economy are unable to find jobs.


7 posted on 12/14/2010 6:48:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: tobyhill

Pickens was a blow hard [pun intended].....to promote maybe a billion or more for wind schemes that virtually every European country had already abandoned as too expensive, too unreliable and too anti-environment.

I’m sure he came out OK with a bunch of Taxpayer and investor money in his pocket. SOB shyster.


8 posted on 12/14/2010 6:49:23 PM PST by HardStarboard (I'm sure George and Dick had quiet smiles while watching the election results!)
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To: tobyhill

The natural gas idea actually makes a little sense. But if it will make my heating bill go up, I don’t like it.


9 posted on 12/14/2010 6:51:54 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: tobyhill
I had no idea who "wind" was going to help ween us off of foreign oil. As best I can tell, there's not a portable battery that comes close to being a practical replacement for the internal combustion engine. It's really that simple.

Maybe natural gas can. I don't know enough about the automotive fuel business, and specifically enough about the engineering problems, to have an opinion. But, the wind portion of his plan seemed fanciful, at best.

10 posted on 12/14/2010 6:54:33 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: tobyhill

Belief in wind energy as the solution to anything is little different than belief in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.


11 posted on 12/14/2010 6:54:40 PM PST by Minn
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To: tobyhill

Always watch the OTHER hand. While Pickens is touting green energy with one hand......and he may well get the gubmint to pony up the money to actually make his CNG plan a reality and make him even richer than he is; he has bought up large acreage in several southwest states which are sitting over humongous underground aquifers. His “other” plan is to get even richer selling water when the time is right..........at a much higher price per unit of measure than CNG costs.

By the way, GHW Bush and GW Bush have bought a large acreage in Paraguay, which ALSO sits over a gi-normous aquifer. They have the same plan as Pickens. Actually I think the Bushes and Pickenses are old oilfield buds, but they apparently feel there is more money to be made in water. I know ONE THING for sure; if you spill some water while in the process of pumping or transporting it, there is not a lot of clean-up required!


12 posted on 12/14/2010 6:55:57 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: tobyhill

As I recall, this scam artist demanded to be given right of way for his windmills, which gave him control of a whole lot of water rights, which he then planned to sell to farmers.

If he is now saying that he has decided not to build the windmills on the right of way, does he have to give back the water rights?

Somehow, I doubt it. He is nothing but a crook.


13 posted on 12/14/2010 6:55:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: tobyhill

I always figured the only wind involved was the hot air emanating from t.boone’s posterior.


14 posted on 12/14/2010 7:02:57 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: tobyhill

Windpower sucks (pun intended) but NG rules for one very important reason: The US is completely self sufficient and would not require any foreign (i.e Middle east) imports.


15 posted on 12/14/2010 7:15:09 PM PST by O6ret (for)
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To: tobyhill

Yo Pickens ... lets try good ol Supply and Demand without Guberment ideas.

What a Maroon

TT


16 posted on 12/14/2010 7:15:59 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I don't mind liberals... I hate liars...there just tends to be a high degree of overlap)
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To: tobyhill

He has plucked the juicy, low hanging fruit and is ready to move on to scam the next batch of suckers with a new get-rich-quick scheme.


17 posted on 12/14/2010 7:20:47 PM PST by Iron Munro (Those who claim you owe them a living are cannibals seeking to survive by consuming you.)
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To: Iron Munro

Bingo.


18 posted on 12/14/2010 7:25:29 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: tobyhill

Washington,D.C. is all the wind farm you’ll ever need. If they could ever harness all that, it would be good-bye, King Abdullah, take a one-way camel ride into the desert.


19 posted on 12/14/2010 7:26:13 PM PST by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: tobyhill

Ole T-Bone knows how to con everybody. He’s lookin out for number one.


20 posted on 12/14/2010 7:31:48 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2
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To: Georgia Girl 2

CNG is a viable idea. Better that than electrocars


21 posted on 12/14/2010 7:53:20 PM PST by rstrahan
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To: nascarnation
Machine Design magazine has run a series of articles questioning if there is ANY net electrical output from wind farms.

From a macro standpoint and looking at the stand-by power that has to be idling just to balance load or make up for loss of wind, it is generally either low or negative.

Putting it on the grid is insanity. Using it where there is reliable wind for some off grid power source would be fine. But mixing an undispatchable and intermittent source like wind with the grid simply drives up costs to no net benefit.

Overall, it makes just as much sense as ethanol. It only exists for the free government money.

22 posted on 12/14/2010 7:58:24 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: tobyhill

Well, at least his plan to get big taxpayer bucks with his natural gas keeps him from trying to steal the water from under the TX Panhandle and pipe it to the Metroplex (Dallas/Ft. Worth), at someone else’s expense, of course.

Whatever happened to the good idea that men in their 80s should get off the national stage and go fishing?


23 posted on 12/14/2010 8:03:15 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: tobyhill

Water is Pickens game. He just got his “property” re-classified as a “town” so he can use eminent domain to capture property to build pipelines to sell his precious water.

Texas has a land rights clause that states if you can access resources through your land it doesn’t matter how far that resource goes.

In Picken’s case it is a natural aquifer that stretches north across several states...he will suck that dry and sell it all...

Pickens is a smart cookie but not a very nice one.

Water is the next oil.


24 posted on 12/14/2010 8:03:21 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: tobyhill
There ain't no hustler like and old hustler.

You got to give it to T. Boone. The boy don't ever give up on a good hustle.

25 posted on 12/14/2010 8:05:53 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Tucker39

GHW Bush and GW Bush have bought a large acreage in Paraguay, which ALSO sits over a gi-normous aquifer.

Not knowing what Paraguay’s Water Rights law is, would be real surprised if it was same as Texas’ “Right of Capture”.

Lot of These South American countries will “let” you own the surface and reserve the minerals and water for the government.


26 posted on 12/14/2010 8:07:24 PM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: tobyhill

I think Pickens is into water, also...water rights.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 8:09:49 PM PST by lonestar
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To: O6ret
The US is completely self sufficient and would not require any foreign (i.e Middle east) imports.

Natural gas producing reserves deplete pretty rapidly. Without continued drilling and current (or more advanced) hydrofracking, especially in light of restrictions on drilling, both in place and planned by the Government, and proposed restrictions on hydrofracking, that supply will deplete in short order.

We have to not only drill here, drill now, but we have to keep doing so or we're back to square one--importing.

28 posted on 12/14/2010 10:42:52 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: tobyhill; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; Darnright; WL-law; ..
Jason Lewis, substitute host for El Rushbo, August 11, 2008 on the E.I.B Network:

"The federal government has to subsidize windmill production through production tax credits of about 1.8¢ per kilowatt. Wind Farms also receive an accelerated depreciation. Wind farms are also land intensive. They produce a fraction of the energy of a traditional power plant but they require 100 times the acreage.

From the National Center for Policy Analysis: to produce a 1000 megawatt power plant a wind farm would require 192,000 acres or 300 square miles. A nuclear plant would need about 1700 acres (or 2.65 mi2), and about 3 mi2 for a coal fired power plant. The transmission lines for the wind turbines would be massive, 12,000 miles just for the array."

 

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

29 posted on 12/15/2010 4:19:06 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: O6ret
NG rules for one very important reason: The US is completely self sufficient and would not require any foreign (i.e Middle east) imports.

While we should become independent in Natural Gas with the expansion of Shale Gas Production, we are not there yet.

U.S. Natural Gas Imports by Country
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_move_impc_s1_m.htm

If some politicians have their way, like in New York, Shale Gas will get shut down.

New York governor halts gas "fracking" until July
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-York-governor-halts-gas-rb-3854988538.html?x=0&.v=1&.pf=personal-finance&mod=pf-personal-finance
Saturday December 11, 2010

30 posted on 12/15/2010 6:22:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

It’s just a matter of time. Worldwide demand for oil, especially in China and India, will ultimately drive the price of the black stuff back over $100 and force it to happen.


31 posted on 12/15/2010 1:20:11 PM PST by O6ret (for)
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To: Minn

Hey, don’t you dare blow my application for a grant for “perpetual motion research”!


32 posted on 12/15/2010 1:22:28 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Ditto
You're exactly right.

The business model of pumping the grid (with wind or solar)is what makes no sense.

33 posted on 12/15/2010 1:30:48 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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