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Two Central Florida hospitals say they won't hire smokers
Orlando Sentinel ^ | December 15, 2010 | Christine Show and Katie Adams,

Posted on 12/15/2010 3:17:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

If you smoke or use tobacco products — even in the privacy of your own home — you need not apply for a job at two Central Florida hospitals.

Florida Hospital Waterman in Tavares and Florida Hospital Fish Memorial in Orange City will no longer hire smokers starting Jan. 1 — the first in the Florida Hospital system to enact such a policy. The hospitals will join a number of health-care facilities nationwide recently creating policies to screen out job applicants who light up.

"As a leading health-care provider in our community, we believe it important for all of our employees to model healthy behaviors," Waterman's president, Ken Mattison, said in a statement. He added that the policy is a natural progression for the hospital, which stopped allowing people to smoke on hospital grounds in 2007.

The new rule will not affect existing employees at both hospitals — they can continue to smoke off-campus, officials say, although they will be encouraged to quit through smoking-cessation programs.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; health; pufflist; smoking; workplace

1 posted on 12/15/2010 3:17:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How are they going to enforce it? Oh, right, drug testing. Tried, true, and approved by the Courts for 30 years. Nice.


2 posted on 12/15/2010 3:27:53 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
the policy is a natural progression

The slippery slope. I believe in being a fanatic and not giving an inch to the other side, because any inch which you give away, you never get back, and you've set a precedent for giving away some of what you want. That never turns out well for people who value freedom.

3 posted on 12/15/2010 3:31:03 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Wolfie

Let me guess, the Trustees are lawyers? This one has equal protection lawsuits written all over it and lots of new customers for the Trustees friends.


4 posted on 12/15/2010 3:31:24 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If they are private businesses, then their employment policies should be their own.

I don’t like government coming in and telling restaurants or bars whether or not they allow smoking or not. If I was to take any other position with these private enterprises, I’d be inconsistent.


5 posted on 12/15/2010 3:39:12 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"As a leading health-care provider in our community, we believe it important for all of our employees to model healthy behaviors,"

Heathcare workers as a group are rather obese, in my observation.

6 posted on 12/15/2010 3:39:22 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good for them!

I try not to hire smokers either. They are sick all the time and take too many damn breaks.


7 posted on 12/15/2010 3:46:08 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: markomalley

I’m in agreement. If you wanted to have all non-drinkers at a whiskey distillery...then you should have that right. The problem I would see is that you might have to offer a higher pay situation to keep and maintain this non-smoker force. Once you start to become picky...things tend to cost more.

You also have to add in this factor...smokers tend to require two smokes in the morning and if you only have one accepted area to smoke....you can figure a twenty-minute walk total...with the five minutes of smoking. So you could cut out this unnecessary time issue. At my last job....there was one place for four buildings that smokers could take a smoke. By the time you tangled with security exiting and re-entering the building, you wasted sixteen minutes on each trip. It would have been better to have a rooftop point and just spend three minutes on the roof smoking and then return to your module cube.


8 posted on 12/15/2010 3:48:15 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: RegulatorCountry

<< Heathcare workers as a group are rather obese, in my observation. >>

What’s a “heathcare” worker? Oh, you mean “healthcare” worker, don’t you?

I work in health care. I work in a department of around 30 people or so, and not one of them — not ONE — is obese.

Only two or three of the thirty smoke, far below the 25 percent of Americans who do; at least three-quarters of us go to the gym regularly. Further, I can almost guarantee you that most of us — on the whole — are healthier (or is that heathier?) than the population, at large, including yourself, perhaps.

Silly comment on your part.


9 posted on 12/15/2010 3:48:28 AM PST by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Are they going to make mandatory BMI for the fat @ss LPN’s and Nurses too? Would seem to me that’s more of a health issue than smoking. How many cigs can you smoke on a 10 hour shift vs. how many donuts can you sneak between meals!


10 posted on 12/15/2010 3:54:33 AM PST by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: ObamaMustGo2012

Oh my, I committed the unforgivable sin of a typographical error. Such a juvenile initial line of attack.

After that, I should have known better than to read further, and unsurprisingly, you’re being more than just a tad defensive.

The schlubs I see gallumphing and shuffling down the halls of hospitals and out in the world at large tend toward the larger end of the scale. That is the truth. Those cutesy cartoon-bedecked uniforms only exacerbate the unfortunate visual.

Your offense does not negate my observation.

Here, have a Twinkie, noob.


11 posted on 12/15/2010 4:00:01 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: pepsionice
Interesting note here not related to the subject of the thread but definitely related to your post.

On 9/11 there were almost survivors from the companies on the top floors of the first building that got hit at the World Trade Center. The CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald survived because he was late for work that morning due to some kind of prior commitment (maybe a dental appointment).

I also seem to remember reading about another person (or two) who survived because they went down to take a smoke break, and they were outside at ground level when the plane hit the building.

In some cases, smoking ain't so bad for your health after all.

12 posted on 12/15/2010 4:06:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: RegulatorCountry

I was going to say, “But obese nurses, some morbidly obese, are just fine”, but you beat me to it.


13 posted on 12/15/2010 4:26:51 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Why protest fur and not leather? Ever try to hassle a motorcycle gang?)
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To: poobear; All
Remember when Tipper Gore suggested pediatricians talk to their young patients about guns in the house -- as guns might cause children to have mental health issues? Just imagine all the time-bombs that await us in the "health care" bill.

Healthy Children - Powered by pediatricians. Trusted by parents

[Excerpt] Advice to parents

The best way to keep your children safe from injury or death from guns is to NEVER have a gun in the home.

Do not purchase a gun, especially a handgun.
Remove all guns present in the home.
Talk to your children about the dangers of guns, and tell them to stay away from guns.

Find out if there are guns in the homes where your children play. If so, talk to the adults in the house about the dangers of guns to their families.

For those who know of the dangers of guns but still keep a gun in the home. [End Excerpt]

Last Updated 6/10/2010

Source: TIPP-The Injury Prevention Program (Copyright © 1994 American Academy of Pediatrics)

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(TIPP? As in Tipper Gore?)

14 posted on 12/15/2010 4:34:55 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Wolfie
[Excerpt] Thanks to the recent passage of laws restricting cell phone use in cars, I can finally start to breathe normally again while driving. A growing body of research shows that even hands-free cell phones are potentially dangerous and cause automobile accidents. No matter how practical or fashionable they may be, cell phones are out of place in the driver’s seat, and I’m grateful to our elected officials for finally tackling the problem.

[snip]

Even talk radio can be distracting at times, especially when you’re listening to a complete idiot who doesn’t know what he or she is talking about. That can really make the blood boil, which in turn affects focus and coordination. Dr. Laura alone — p’lease! her doctorate is in physiology, not psychology! — has undoubtedly caused hundreds, or perhaps even thousands, of needless injuries and deaths. The solution: a Tipper-Gore-style rating system for radio programming, with PD (Potentially Disturbing) talk-show hosts automatically muted.

Now this may sound like a joke, but it’s deadly serious: we’re all rightfully disgusted by drunk drivers, but Ronald McDonald probably causes more highway mishaps each year than Jack Daniel. The drive-thru restaurants in particular have introduced a host of truly heinous threats to highway safety, all of which should be banned from moving vehicles: hamburgers requiring more than one hand to hold (especially in vehicles with manual transmissions), fries so greasy you can barely grip the steering wheel, and super-sized Cokes that won’t fit in the cup holders so you have to put them between your legs and try not to squeeze. And talk about hot coffee! Every year, thousands of innocent Americans lose their lives on our nation’s roads because of gluttony, pure and simple. [End Excerpt

Source: Perspectives on mental health and behavior by Dr. Robert Epstein, former Editor-in-Chief of Psychology Today

15 posted on 12/15/2010 4:36:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The slippery slope...

Bump!

16 posted on 12/15/2010 4:37:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: markomalley
If they are private businesses, then their employment policies should be their own.

Well, I agree with that. The question becomes: In today's world, how private is the healthcare industry? Who is really calling the shots? Lots of government money. Lots of government regulation. In a fascist system, when the company won't hire smokers, it may just be doing the bidding of the politicians.

17 posted on 12/15/2010 5:05:20 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Heathcare workers as a group are rather obese, in my observation.”

I don’t know about obese, but they are definitely overweight.


18 posted on 12/15/2010 5:06:28 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

After reading the article, I think you are right.
this is *only* a tactic in the strategy of increasing
totalitarianism.
I must admit my first reaction was “good. no more
clandestine smoking by the nursing staff.” (which I
had noticed in my modest association, years ago, with
medical facilities)
The fact that they disqualify all those with traces
of nicotine may be medically incompetent, but I must
defer with those with expertise in that area (legitimate
medical uses of nicotine)
I wonder if, a hundred years ago approximately, smokers
were barred from hospital employment? I have no idea.


19 posted on 12/15/2010 5:08:08 AM PST by cycjec
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To: TSgt

“take too many damn breaks”

How much time do your non-smoking workers spend in water cooler conversation or browsing the internet?


20 posted on 12/15/2010 5:09:23 AM PST by fruser1
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To: RegulatorCountry

I doubt they are requiring employees to be either
monogamous or continent.


21 posted on 12/15/2010 5:09:32 AM PST by cycjec
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To: Wolfie

But what about people who use the patch? They still have nicotine in their system without actually smoking.


22 posted on 12/15/2010 5:10:11 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: TSgt

That was exactly my first thought. FR is invaluable for
adding other perspectives though. The hospitals aren’t
banning *smokers* they’re testing for nicotine exposure.


23 posted on 12/15/2010 5:11:29 AM PST by cycjec
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To: nolongerademocrat

Oh yeah, the ol’ “I was at a concert and got a contact high” excuse.


24 posted on 12/15/2010 5:12:34 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: ClearCase_guy

“doing the bidding of the politicians”

I think it’s simply that folks are hostile to smoking.

Banning smoking inside actually makes sense. Anything beyond that is due to people’s hatred of if.

Hitler was the first to institute non-smoking programs, by the way.

All part of the master plan. First get them healthy, then work on the eugenics.

So you see, the nazis had it right all along, they just did it too quickly! (sarc)


25 posted on 12/15/2010 5:13:20 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Wolfie

Seriously though, there are many individuals who use the patch and we even dispense the patch to patients in our hospital.


26 posted on 12/15/2010 5:16:36 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: ObamaMustGo2012

Don’t let that comment ruin your day. I think he/she was referring to visible health care workers.

I got a chuckle out of the comment because just the other day I was visiting someone at a hospital and couldn’t get over the number of very obese employees. The patients, forget about it. They were huge too.

Some of the biggest were huddled around the corner of the building in 18f temperatures puffing on a cigarette-probably trying to keep their weight down. One was dressed in a johnny, had an IV and was in one of those oversized wheelchairs.

I suspect you work in IT, the legal department or you’re up on the executive floor. Could be you’re a physician. Other than that it’s hard to find a group that is thin. Of course your hospital may be an exception.


27 posted on 12/15/2010 5:19:34 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: fruser1
I think it’s simply that folks are hostile to smoking.

I'm not going to defend smoking, and I'm not going to deny that smoking causes health problems. But I have to point out that the single biggest reason folks are hostile to smoking is that the government has been actively brainwashing people for decades to be against smoking.

One could well say that the government is correct to do so. But we must be aware that while private businesses may ban smoking, the overall impetus for that movement really seems to stem for government action. No cigarette ads on TV? Surgeon General's warning? Secondhand smoke court cases? The government has a large role in this.

28 posted on 12/15/2010 5:26:01 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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As a smoker myself, I find this policy offensive. Why are the obese and drinkers not targeted also?


29 posted on 12/15/2010 6:10:52 AM PST by Aggie56
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To: Aggie56
...Why are the obese and drinkers not targeted also?

We're all targets!


30 posted on 12/15/2010 6:18:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: caver

I happen to be a little plump - far from obese. My days start when I leave for the hospital at 0630. I’m often at the hospital til 2200. Then its home to fall into bed and get up to do the same thing the next morning. Lunch break or dinner break to eat a healthy meal at my leisure? More like grab a sandwich or burger that can be eaten with one hand while I continue seeing patients and take care of paperwork. So I think I can easily fit an hour in the gym in that schedule somewhere - I happen to be free from 3-4 AM. Who needs sleep?

You are right. Thank you for pointing out the deficiencies in how I use my time. I should use my off time better so I can be thin like everyone else on this board! /s


31 posted on 12/15/2010 6:27:21 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: All

32 posted on 12/15/2010 6:50:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Mom MD

I sure wasn’t posting to you. I was agreeing with another poster.


33 posted on 12/15/2010 6:52:24 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

But smoking poles and contacting HIV or AIDS is perfectly okily-dokily.


34 posted on 12/15/2010 6:52:26 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And people with asses the size of houses
shouldn’t throw chicken bones.
(MO’s “obesity” programs)


35 posted on 12/15/2010 6:54:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: dfwgator

A lot of nurses smoke. It’s how they get through nursing school with their nerves intact.

I guess they’ll just have to higher more foreign Muslim people to make up the difference.


36 posted on 12/15/2010 6:57:44 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: cycjec

>>The fact that they disqualify all those with traces
of nicotine may be medically incompetent, <<

I’d like to know where nicorette and e-cigs fall into this.22


37 posted on 12/15/2010 7:04:18 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
but i thought 'the perfect was the enemy of the good' ??? /throwing up in my mouth a lil...

from the headline i thought they were discriminating against queers...8^}

38 posted on 12/15/2010 7:17:15 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: fruser1
How much time do your non-smoking workers spend in water cooler conversation or browsing the internet?

As much time as the smokers but the smokers ALSO take smoke breaks and are sick more often which makes them LESS PRODUCTIVE.
39 posted on 12/15/2010 7:24:40 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"As a leading health-care provider in our community, we believe it important for all of our employees to model healthy behaviors,"

So I guess this means they will also no longer be hiring people who drink alcoholic beverages?

And those who are overweight? By what measure?

And of course, they will no longer hire those who engage in risky sexual behavior, whether it be homosexual or promiscuous heterosexual?

Who will they hire, then?

40 posted on 12/15/2010 7:30:27 AM PST by onemiddleamerican (FUBO - and all your terrorist buddies, too!)
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To: cycjec; NFHale; hiredhand; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs
I wonder if, a hundred years ago approximately, smokers were barred from hospital employment? I have no idea.

how old are you ???

as a lad, when the semi annual snot & cough season came around, mommy would take me to the Doc...

he would come in and place his cigg in the lil beanbag ashtray on the sink, hack a couple times, listen to my lungs and look at the ears and throat...

then hed draw up a howitzer tube of pennicillin and stick it in my ass cheek, give me a pure sugar sucker and send me on my way, hack free within a few days...

the good old days...

41 posted on 12/15/2010 7:31:47 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ladyjane

<< I suspect you work in IT, the legal department or you’re up on the executive floor. Could be you’re a physician. Other than that it’s hard to find a group that is thin. Of course your hospital may be an exception. >>

Actually, I am a front-line health care provider, I’m 59 years old, and come in at 5’8” and 175 pounds. I am in far greater condition than most my age, as are those I work with. I’m not saying that we have no obese people working at my hospital — as a not-for-profit organization, you wouldn’t BELIEVE some of the people that we are FORCED to hire — but as a group, I maintain that health care workers are in FAR better shape than MOST of our professional contemporaries.


42 posted on 12/15/2010 9:10:04 AM PST by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Run by Seventh Day Adventists who ironically are worried about someone forcing them to follow beliefs they disagree with.

“The Force is Weak With That Bunch”.


43 posted on 12/15/2010 10:17:51 AM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Gilbo_3

Yeah.....those days are gone.....along with all of our freedom.


44 posted on 12/15/2010 10:18:25 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Gilbo_3; cycjec; NFHale; hiredhand; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”As a leading health-care provider in our community, we believe it important for all of our employees to model healthy behaviors,” Waterman's president, Ken Mattison, said in a statement. He added that the policy is a natural progression for the hospital, which stopped allowing people to smoke on hospital grounds in 2007.

Yet in MD you have a right to employment or housing IF YOU engage in dangerous homosexual behavior/lifestyle. They call this behavior ‘orientation’ which technically is a classification based on sexual desire. My point is that perverse and dangerous behavior is protected here by law with special rights, but not smoking.

45 posted on 12/15/2010 10:59:40 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
My point is that perverse and dangerous behavior is protected here by law with special rights, but not smoking.

not only that, but here in rural USA where many of my neighbors raise tobacco, instead of gettin a check like the Alaskans do for oil production, we just keep gettin more taxes on the product and more regulation, and subsequent Ag base reduction for the farmers...

46 posted on 12/15/2010 11:19:28 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Expect to see similar ideas to weed out other groups that are socially acceptable to discriminate against, like gun owners.


47 posted on 12/15/2010 11:55:25 AM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The question becomes: In today's world, how private is the healthcare industry?

As private as any other company.

In a fascist system, when the company won't hire smokers, it may just be doing the bidding of the politicians.

One would think that if the government wanted companies to ban smoking, the natural first stop would be defense contractors. To my knowledge, the only defense contractor with a smoking ban is Lockheed...and that only applies to on duty and on their property (as far as I know).

48 posted on 12/15/2010 4:14:46 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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